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Here are The other 3 Threads in this short series :

"Depart from me i never knew you". #1

"Endure to the END< ... #2

"dead faith".... #3


Reader,

This is the 4th Thread ive written in the last few days that deals with the most abused and repeated verse that heretics twist to try to cause you to not believe that Jesus keeps you saved.

See that?
That DECEIT.... is the defining line between someone who understands Philippians 1:6, that says that """GOD is faithful to complete your Salvation"""...and the heretic who is trying to do it for themselves, having "fallen from Grace" or they are simply water baptized and religious, and not saved at all.

Reader.... when you faith is correct, it will be very obvious to you that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved.
Jesus..who saved you.......Keeps you saved.
God ... who saved you...KEEPS YOU SAVED.

But when you are deceived, you will fight that Truth and you will try to deny that Truth, and you will try to REPLACE that TRUTH with your "self saving LIST of "do's and don't do's, that you teach and believe" are how YOU KEEP YOURSELF SAVED.
And when you are that Broken Faith, you literally have NO FATIH in Jesus, as you believe that Jesus does NOT keep you saved, which proves that your faith in Christ is GONE, or was never there to begin with..

Ok, the most abused epistle in the NT, that heretics live in, is Hebrews.
See, all Heretics live in James, Matthew, and Hebrews. All of them.
Notice this..
They all use those 3 Letters by Apostles to try to Deny the Cross, and reject Eternal life, and teach you that you can lose your Salvation, or that its up to you to keep yourself saved.
And when you are that type of Believer, you have been deceived and your faith in Christ is BROKEN, and you'll think its not.
You will ACTUALLY believe, that trying to save yourself by works, self effort, or trying to keep yourself saved by commandment keeping is: ""how im trusting in Christ"". And truthfully, even a unbeliever can see how ridiculous and backwards is your thinking and your theology and your faith if you are that deceived person.
Paul, in Galatians, literally says that you are "BEWITCHED" to think that way about Salvation.
And he states "WHO... has bewitched you" that you "no longer obey the TRUTH".
And THAT is the Deceived RELIGIOUS STATE of everyone who believes they can "Lose their Salvation".

And let me tell you this also...
The Devil knows the bible, in a Legalist way, and he deceives using Legalism.
He puffs up your self righteousness and turns it against the Cross and the Grace of God.
He causes you to read verses in a carnally minded way, so that they teach you that YOU have the responsibility to get yourself to heaven, by WORKS, Enduring, Commandment keeping or Self Effort. And Satan teaches you that you can lose your salvation,.. by causing you to NOT BELIEVE that Jesus who saved you keeps you saved.
And his people, his "ministers" infect forums and build churches to try to prove that lie, and they have deceived millions.

Now....Look at this partial verse that heretics will BEAT YOU WITH, on every forum, and from thousands of Satanic Pulpits....
= """if you sin willfully, there remains no more sacrifice for your sin""".

See that? That is FALSE teaching SHOUTED by HERETICS...= that if the BORN AGAIN REJECT JESUS, who is the Sacrifice for ALL your SIN, then there is nothing left that can save you, or forgive your sin.
That is how the HERETICS teach this verse, so that its upside down and deceptive and is aimed to ruin your faith.

Now, If you reject the sacrifice of Christ, then you can't have it, not ever, as you have "willfully sinned" the unpardonable sin.
So, the only people who are doing that are UNBELIEVERS. John 3:36
They, the UNBELIEVERS..... have rejected being Saved., reader,..... and that is what Paul is dealing with in Hebrews Chapter 6, and Chapter 10.
He is preaching the Gospel to Christ Rejecting HEBREWS, and these unsaved JEWs are rejecting their Messiah in the verse, and similar... The are "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus".. They , these Christ Rejecting Hebrews, in the epistle to the HEBREWS.... are "crucifying Christ Afresh", as that is the sin of CHRIST REJECTION.
So, this is not a born again believer in this verse that Paul is dealing with.., as the born again have already accepted Jesus, which is why you become a BORN AGAIN Christian.. A "New Creation in Christ", and a "SON/Daughter of God".

Now, when you here the Heretics ranting about.. "this is written to the Born again", as heretics live on forums to try to ruin your faith, and cause you to believe that you can lose your salvation.
That is their "ministry".
So, when they do, or before they do, ... you need to read Acts Chapter 28... the last 10 verses, as Paul is again dealing with these SAME Christ Rejecting JEWS (Hebrews).
And if you will study that for 3 mins you can then understand clearly that its the same CHRIST REJECTING JEWs... = situation in Hebrews 10:26 and also in Hebrews Chapter 6.

Reader......Thats a fact for you to "study" and "rightly divide".
And if you dont, you can be misled and deceived all your life regarding your understanding of the Cross of Christ and the Blood of Jesus and the Grace of God, and end up a ranting heretic who thinks that a few verses in Hebrews, written to UNBELIEVING Christ Rejecting JEWS.... are written to you.
The Heretics will always TWIST these verses in Hebrews to try to deceive you over and over and over., as well as a couple of verses in James and a couple in Matthew.
It's their ministry of deception, and they are always trying to ruin your faith with those verse in those 3 Epistles.
Notice who they are, and protect yourself.
 
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Here are The other 3 Threads in this short series :

"Depart from me i never knew you". #1

"Endure to the END< ... #2

"dead faith".... #3


Reader,

This is the 4th Thread ive written in the last few days that deals with the most abused and repeated verse that heretics twist to try to cause you to not believe that Jesus keeps you saved.

See that?
That DECEIT.... is the defining line between someone who understands Philippians 1:6, that says that """GOD is faithful to complete your Salvation"""...and the heretic who is trying to do it for themselves, having "fallen from Grace" or they are simply water baptized and religious, and not saved at all.

Reader.... when you faith is correct, it will be very obvious to you that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved.
Jesus..who saved you.......Keeps you saved.
God ... who saved you...KEEPS YOU SAVED.

But when you are deceived, you will fight that Truth and you will try to deny that Truth, and you will try to REPLACE that TRUTH with your "self saving LIST of "do's and don't do's, that you teach and believe" are how YOU KEEP YOURSELF SAVED.
And when you are that Broken Faith, you literally have NO FATIH in Jesus, as you believe that Jesus does NOT keep you saved, which proves that your faith in Christ is GONE, or was never there to begin with..

Ok, the most abused epistle in the NT, that heretics live in, is Hebrews.
See, all Heretics live in James, Matthew, and Hebrews. All of them.
Notice this..
They all use those 3 Letters by Apostles to try to Deny the Cross, and reject Eternal life, and teach you that you can lose your Salvation, or that its up to you to keep yourself saved.
And when you are that type of Believer, you have been deceived and your faith in Christ is BROKEN, and you'll think its not.
You will ACTUALLY believe, that trying to save yourself by works, self effort, or trying to keep yourself saved by commandment keeping is: ""how im trusting in Christ"". And truthfully, even a unbeliever can see how ridiculous and backwards is your thinking and your theology and your faith if you are that deceived person.
Paul, in Galatians, literally says that you are "BEWITCHED" to think that way about Salvation.
And he states "WHO... has bewitched you" that you "no longer obey the TRUTH".
And THAT is the Deceived RELIGIOUS STATE of everyone who believes they can "Lose their Salvation".

And let me tell you this also...
The Devil knows the bible, in a Legalist way, and he deceives using Legalism.
He puffs up your self righteousness and turns it against the Cross and the Grace of God.
He causes you to read verses in a carnally minded way, so that they teach you that YOU have the responsibility to get yourself to heaven, by WORKS, Enduring, Commandment keeping or Self Effort. And Satan teaches you that you can lose your salvation,.. by causing you to NOT BELIEVE that Jesus who saved you keeps you saved.
And his people, his "ministers" infect forums and build churches to try to prove that lie, and they have deceived millions.

Now....Look at this partial verse that heretics will BEAT YOU WITH, on every forum, and from thousands of Satanic Pulpits....
= """if you sin willfully, there remains no more sacrifice for your sin""".

See that? That is FALSE teaching SHOUTED by HERETICS...= that if the BORN AGAIN REJECT JESUS, who is the Sacrifice for ALL your SIN, then there is nothing left that can save you, or forgive your sin.
That is how the HERETICS teach this verse, so that its upside down and deceptive and is aimed to ruin your faith.

Now, If you reject the sacrifice of Christ, then you can't have it, not ever, as you have "willfully sinned" the unpardonable sin.
So, the only people who are doing that are UNBELIEVERS. John 3:36
They, the UNBELIEVERS..... have rejected being Saved., reader,..... and that is what Paul is dealing with in Hebrews Chapter 6, and Chapter 10.
He is preaching the Gospel to Christ Rejecting HEBREWS, and these unsaved JEWs are rejecting their Messiah in the verse, and similar... The are "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus".. They , these Christ Rejecting Hebrews, in the epistle to the HEBREWS.... are "crucifying Christ Afresh", as that is the sin of CHRIST REJECTION.
So, this is not a born again believer in this verse that Paul is dealing with.., as the born again have already accepted Jesus, which is why you become a BORN AGAIN Christian.. A "New Creation in Christ", and a "SON/Daughter of God".

Now, when you here the Heretics ranting about.. "this is written to the Born again", as heretics live on forums to try to ruin your faith, and cause you to believe that you can lose your salvation.
That is their "ministry".
So, when they do, or before they do, ... you need to read Acts Chapter 28... the last 10 verses, as Paul is again dealing with these SAME Christ Rejecting JEWS (Hebrews).
And if you will study that for 3 mins you can then understand clearly that its the same CHRIST REJECTING JEWs... = situation in Hebrews 10:26 and also in Hebrews Chapter 6.

Reader......Thats a fact for you to "study" and "rightly divide".
And if you dont, you can be misled and deceived all your life regarding your understanding of the Cross of Christ and the Blood of Jesus and the Grace of God, and end up a ranting heretic who thinks that a few verses in Hebrews, written to UNBELIEVING Christ Rejecting JEWS.... are written to you.
The Heretics will always TWIST these verses in Hebrews to try to deceive you over and over and over., as well as a couple of verses in James and a couple in Matthew.
It's their ministry of deception, and they are always trying to ruin your faith with those verse in those 3 Epistles.
Notice who they are, and protect yourself.

It is very tough, but we must do our best to keep free from sin
 

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It is very tough, but we must do our best to keep free from sin


Trying to resist sin, is exactly how THIS happens...= "The Law is the power of Sin".

See that CURSE?

Jesus came to resolve that... "Christ has delivered us from the CURSE of the LAW".

So, when you are trying to be good, you will not be good., as the power of the LAW that will take your self effort and cause you to sin more.
This is why you keep sinning and confessing.
That is the "curse of the Law".

The deliverance from that is not by resisting sin, but its by become cleared of sin consciousness..
See, SIN is in your head, as a thought, and then you fight it, and then you do it.
That is "the curse of the Law", causing that.

So, to get deliverance from that, is to change how you THINK......its to "renew your mind", into the understanding of who you have become as a "new Creation in Christ", and that means the born again have become "made righteous", as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".
So, if you are born again, and not just water baptized faking being a christian, then to stop sinning is to 'renew your mind", so that you only see yourself as God has recreated you to be, as "the righteousness of God in Christ".
 
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@Behold

ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is so obviously a false doctrine that you need multiple threads to explain it.

Yet the simplicity of scripture shows what a lie OSAS is:

“…you stand by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not you. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:20-22)

“For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” (2 Peter 2:20-21)
 

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ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED is so obviously a false doctrine that you need multiple threads to explain it.

If you could be honest, it would make what you post ,at least attempting to be valuable.
See, false accusations are not of God.
Be reminded...


So, as i was showing a few people here...

There is a cult that teaches....>"have FAITH in Faith"., and that is not having Faith in Christ.

This CULT teaches..>"hold unto your faith, to be saved"....as if FAITH is your Savior.

Faith is not the Savior.
God is the Savior, who saves you THROUGH faith, one time........as proven by being born again, as a Son/Daughter of God.

That happens once, and its Eternal.


Being Born again, proves that God has accepted your FAITH, already.
So, this CULT, that im talking about, does not understand this, and that is why their cult members talk about works, faith, commandments, but never about the CROSS., as They have no understanding of the "Blood Atonement".
As you know.
 

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Trying to resist sin, is exactly how THIS happens...= "The Law is the power of Sin".

See that CURSE?

Jesus came to resolve that... "Christ has delivered us from the CURSE of the LAW".

So, when you are trying to be good, you will not be good., as the power of the LAW that will take your self effort and cause you to sin more.
This is why you keep sinning and confessing.
That is the "curse of the Law".

The deliverance from that is not by resisting sin, but its by become cleared of sin consciousness..
See, SIN is in your head, as a thought, and then you fight it, and then you do it.
That is "the curse of the Law", causing that.

So, to get deliverance from that, is to change how you THINK......its to "renew your mind", into the understanding of who you have become as a "new Creation in Christ", and that means the born again have become "made righteous", as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".
So, if you are born again, and not just water baptized faking being a christian, then to stop sinning is to 'renew your mind", so that you only see yourself as God has recreated you to be, as "the righteousness of God in Christ".

I don't know about you Be, but I work very hard not to sin. Serious sins that is. I have not committed one for over 8 yrs now. I admit it is a struggle, like Paul we all have our own personal thorns in our flesh, and satan knows our weaknesses and loves to exploit them if he can. Jesus did release us from the law, but do not think that Christians do not have laws we have to obey. In fact, obedience is the key to life.
 
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I don't know about you Be, but I work very hard not to sin.

And yet you still sin and confess. So, what you are doing is a FAIL.
Why to keep doing it?
Why to keep going to a church that keeps you in that failure?
You try not to sin, you work hard, and you still sin and confess.
And if you had studied PAUL, or if you will listen to a person (me) who only teaches Pauline Theology, or had you belonged to a real church that understands PAUL's DOCTRINE< and lives it, teaches it..... you could get out of that sinning and confessing TRAP.
Its a Trap, a Sinning TRAP, that is created by the LAW........>"The law is the power of SIN".

Jesus came to free you from that CURSE of the Law>.......as it is a CURSE.
What is the curse?
The curse is that when you try not to sin, the Law empowers your flesh to sin more.
See that? That is THE CURSE OF THE LAW.

"Jesus has redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW"........if you are born again.
But you have to be born again and you have to understand what it means to become "the righteousness of God" "In Christ"...... to find the deliverance that is REDEMPTION "in Christ".
If you are pretending to be born again, and you are just a water baptized person trying to "be like Christ", then you have to end that Religious nonsense, and do what Jesus told you to do.....>"you must be born again", and that is not water baptism.
 

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And yet you still sin and confess. So, what you are doing is a FAIL.
Why to keep doing it?
Why to keep going to a church that keeps you in that failure?
You try not to sin, you work hard, and you still sin and confess.
And if you had studied PAUL, or if you will listen to a person (me) who only teaches Pauline Theology, or had you belonged to a real church that understands PAUL's DOCTRINE< and lives it, teaches it..... you could get out of that sinning and confessing TRAP.
Its a Trap, a Sinning TRAP, that is created by the LAW........>"The law is the power of SIN".

Jesus came to free you from that CURSE of the Law>.......as it is a CURSE.
What is the curse?
The curse is that when you try not to sin, the Law empowers your flesh to sin more.
See that? That is THE CURSE OF THE LAW.

"Jesus has redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW"........if you are born again.
But you have to be born again and you have to understand what it means to become "the righteousness of God" "In Christ"...... to find the deliverance that is REDEMPTION "in Christ".
If you are pretending to be born again, and you are just a water baptized person trying to "be like Christ", then you have to end that Religious nonsense, and do what Jesus told you to do.....>"you must be born again", and that is not water baptism.

Yes sir, like you, Paul, all, I too keep on sinning and confessing. Christians are not without law, we are not free to select whatever path we desire to go to please God Be, we must serve Him under His rules and principles to the best of our ability. We can not choose to be born again, and those who have been chosen were chosen not because they did not sin, rather they were exemplary in their service toward Jehovah and their fellow man. They accepted the assignment willingly, and allowed themselves to be molded and used by God to advance His purpose. I have not been chosen.
 

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Yes sir, like you, Paul, all, I too keep on sinning and confessing.

Paul didnt keep on sinning. Paul teaches this....."Christ ALWAYS gives me the VICTORY".
See that?
"ALWAYS".......and that is not sinning and confessing. That is deliverance FROM that carnal mind that keeps you doing that.

You seem to want to stay there, so, have it.
 

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Paul didnt keep on sinning. Paul teaches this....."Christ ALWAYS gives me the VICTORY".
See that?
"ALWAYS".......and that is not sinning and confessing. That is deliverance FROM that carnal mind that keeps you doing that.

You seem to want to stay there, so, have it.

Strange, I wonder why Paul said this Be": (Romans 7:21-25) . . .I find, then, this law in my case: When I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with me. 22 I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, 23 but I see in my body another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sin’s law that is in my body. 24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from the body undergoing this death? 25 Thanks to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So, then, with my mind I myself am a slave to God’s law, but with my flesh to sin’s law.

Yes sir, like my dear born again brother Paul, I too struggle with my own personal thorns in the flesh. Not all of us can be like you for sure, I didn't know there was more than one sinless human that ever lived, but I will say it is certainly a pleasure to know you Be, I wish I too could be sinless, and I look forward to the day I no longer sin, but for now I guess I will have to continue to thank God through Jesus for my rescue like Paul did. Hopefully one day I too will be able to claim what you are able to claim today. Best to you Be.
 

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Strange, I wonder why Paul said this Be": (Romans 7:21-25) . . .I find, then, this law in my case: When I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with me.\

As i explained.. regarding your verse..
Paul said that and the continued to teach MORE....
You stopped reading...as did your commentary and that is why you have no revelation.

Paul, is teaching that trying to keep the law, and commandments, in a SELF EFFORT to be accepted by God, that results in the Law causing him to do what he """didnt want to do.""
"The law is the POWER OF SIN"
So, as he continues to TEACH..........he said that he found that this trying to be righteous, is "DUNG"... and God wont accept it as God's righteousness is a GIFT that is apart from the law.
Philippians 3

Then as he continues his TEACHING that is what you have not READ.......he teaches the doctrine of "the righteousness of God in Christ', as our Sonship Statue (born again) and to have this understanding of who the born again have become as a "new creation in Christ".... ..to exist in this renewed mind, (this revelation), = does this...."Christ always gives me the VICTORY" over the world, the flesh, and the devil".
 

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Strange, I wonder why Paul said this Be": (Romans 7:21-25) . . .I find, then, this law in my case: When I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with me. 22 I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, 23 but I see in my body another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sin’s law that is in my body. 24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from the body undergoing this death? 25 Thanks to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So, then, with my mind I myself am a slave to God’s law, but with my flesh to sin’s law.

Yes sir, like my dear born again brother Paul, I too struggle with my own personal thorns in the flesh. Not all of us can be like you for sure, I didn't know there was more than one sinless human that ever lived, but I will say it is certainly a pleasure to know you Be, I wish I too could be sinless, and I look forward to the day I no longer sin, but for now I guess I will have to continue to thank God through Jesus for my rescue like Paul did. Hopefully one day I too will be able to claim what you are able to claim today. Best to you Be.

Same here, I also commit acts of sin, on a daily basis, yet there are some who have reached the absolute goal of sinless perfection, in this here life.
Here is a question to ponder about.
Christ was without sin, and it is written that He's righteousness is imputed unto us, does it mean Christ's sinlessness was also imputed unto us?
 

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Christ was without sin, and it is written that He's righteousness is imputed unto us, does it mean Christ's sinlessness was also imputed unto us?

Yes.

Christ bore our sin on the Cross , and the born again become "a new creation "IN CHRIST"...... which means that God has taken the righteousness that is Christ's righteousness and gives it to us the born again = as "the GIFT of Righteousness".
This is "SALVATiON". THis is what it means to "be saved".
God causes the born again to become "made righteous' by imputing ' ""the Gift of righteousness" to every BELIEVER.

Now, go to Romans 4:8 and read that God does not charge sin to the born again, ever again.
Why not. ???
Because "the one time eternal sacrifice of JESUS on the Cross" has paid for the sin of the world......and God applies this eternal forgiveness to you, as "imputed righteousness" the instant you BELIEVE the Gospel.

And a person says...."well, how can God not charge my sin to me".

A.) Because God has JUDGED JESUS already for them all.........= THE CROSS.

See it?

Now, go to 2 Corinthians 5:19 and read that God was IN THE WORLD.....= Thats JESUS.....and God is NOT CHARGING SIN against anyone ,= IF...
This is the "message of reconciliation"...its the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD that Paul Teaches.
The offer of this total forgiveness, this eternal reconciliation, is John 3:16.

How do you get this from God. ?

A.) Jesus said.....>"ALL that believe in me, i give unto them ETERNAL LIFE, and they shall NEVER Perish".

"all that call on the Name of Jesus, shall be saved".

"Its not by works, but according to GOD's MERCY, that He saves us".

Its.. "the GIFT of Salvation" and "THE GIFT of Righteousness" = that is GIVEN to all who BELIEVE.

How do you know you have believed and have this "Gift of Salvation"?

You will be become BORN AGAIN., and that is not water baptism.
 

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To "sin willfully" in Hebrews 10:26 does not mean if we ever commit a sin at all and is not promoting sinless perfection. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, continuous action which results in rejecting Christ with deliberate intention after receiving the knowledge of the truth. Such a person has trampled under foot the Son of God and there no longer remains a sacrifice to atone for their sins and no further offering to anticipate.
 

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Yes.

Christ bore our sin on the Cross , and the born again become "a new creation "IN CHRIST"...... which means that God has taken the righteousness that is Christ's righteousness and gives it to us the born again = as "the GIFT of Righteousness".
This is "SALVATiON". THis is what it means to "be saved".
God causes the born again to become "made righteous' by imputing ' ""the Gift of righteousness" to every BELIEVER.

Now, go to Romans 4:8 and read that God does not charge sin to the born again, ever again.
Why not. ???
Because "the one time eternal sacrifice of JESUS on the Cross" has paid for the sin of the world......and God applies this eternal forgiveness to you, as "imputed righteousness" the instant you BELIEVE the Gospel.

And a person says...."well, how can God not charge my sin to me".

A.) Because God has JUDGED JESUS already for them all.........= THE CROSS.

See it?

Now, go to 2 Corinthians 5:19 and read that God was IN THE WORLD.....= Thats JESUS.....and God is NOT CHARGING SIN against anyone ,= IF...
This is the "message of reconciliation"...its the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD that Paul Teaches.
The offer of this total forgiveness, this eternal reconciliation, is John 3:16.

How do you get this from God. ?

A.) Jesus said.....>"ALL that believe in me, i give unto them ETERNAL LIFE, and they shall NEVER Perish".

"all that call on the Name of Jesus, shall be saved".

"Its not by works, but according to GOD's MERCY, that He saves us".

Its.. "the GIFT of Salvation" and "THE GIFT of Righteousness" = that is GIVEN to all who BELIEVE.

How do you know you have believed and have this "Gift of Salvation"?

You will be become BORN AGAIN., and that is not water baptism.

Thanks, will not reply yet, I have been banned by all forums, proboards, and even here, American Christianity...I wonder how many South African members are here with Afrikaans as their primary language?
So I need to start afresh, that is, if the Admin is going to allow this "Afrikaaner" to proceed.
 

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To "sin willfully" in Hebrews 10:26 does not mean if we ever commit a sin at all and is not promoting sinless perfection.

Let’s use this same “measure“ of yours and apply it elsewhere in scripture and see if this is a wise measure to use:

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

Using @mailmandan ’s measuring tool we would come up with reasoning like this for John 3:16…

“Whosoever believes” does not mean if anyone ever believe this message, nor is it promoting perfect everlasting life…

Dan, be advised:

“Unequal weights and unequal measures are both alike an abomination to the LORD.” (Proverbs 20:10)
 

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To "sin willfully" in Hebrews 10:26 does not mean if we ever commit a sin at all and is not promoting sinless perfection. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, continuous action which results in rejecting Christ with deliberate intention after receiving the knowledge of the truth. Such a person has trampled under foot the Son of God and there no longer remains a sacrifice to atone for their sins and no further offering to anticipate.
Hi there @mailmandan..no longer part of the Berean Apologetics proboard forum?
I fully concur with your statement, well put.
This is now 2000 years after the resurrection of Christ Jesus and the modern Church and members still cannot agree on doctrinal doctrines, one, sinless perfection.
Shalom brother.
 
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To "sin willfully" in Hebrews 10:26

the verse is talking about Christ Rejecting Hebrews.
Study also, Acts 28, the last 7 verses.. You will again find Paul talking to Christ REJECTING Hebrews (Jews) who were never born again, and are in the ACT of rejecting messiah as Paul is preaching to them.
The verses in Hebrews 10, are not talking to the born again, as the born again have not rejected Messiah.
Many who are in a Cult, or who have been deceived by a commentary that they use as their BIBLE< have been led to believe by the liar who wrote it, that these UNSAVED HEBREWS, are the body of Christ.
They of course are anything but BELIEVERs.
 

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Let’s use this same “measure“ of yours and apply it elsewhere in scripture and see if this is a wise measure to use:

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16)

Using @mailmandan ’s measuring tool we would come up with reasoning like this for John 3:16…

“Whosoever believes” does not mean if anyone ever believe this message, nor is it promoting perfect everlasting life…

Dan, be advised:

“Unequal weights and unequal measures are both alike an abomination to the LORD.” (Proverbs 20:10)
If sinless perfection is already obtained in this life, why then is it necessary for daily confessions?


Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me.
This falls under sins of omission.

What about this?

Luk 11:24 The unclean spirit when he is gone out of the man, passeth through waterless places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will turn back unto my house whence I came out.
Luk 11:25 And when he is come, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Luk 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more evil than himself; and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man becometh worse than the first.


Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes;
Luk 12:48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more.

Before you say these scriptures are out of context, what about this?

Jas 4:17 To him therefore that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Lev 4:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any one shall sin unwittingly, in any of the things which the LORD hath commanded not to be done, and shall do any one of them:

Lev 5:17 And if any one sin, and do any of the things which the LORD hath commanded not to be done; though he knew it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.

Luk 12:48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more.

Act 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that in ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.


1Ti 1:12 I thank him that enabled me, even Christ Jesus our Lord, for that he counted me faithful, appointing me to his service;
1Ti 1:13 though I was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: howbeit I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief;

Many more examples...sins of omission, ignorance.
 

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If sinless perfection is already obtained in this life,.

What is obtained "in this life" by a born again Believer is forgiveness of All sin.

This is why 2 Corinthians 5:19 says that God is not charging sin to the World.....IF they come to Christ by faith and receive this eternal pardon., that is the "GIFT of Salvation".

And if they have received this GIFT, then Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to them.
 
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