The Divine Exchange

[Behold]

BTW, Eve's sin was an unintentional sin against God,

What you said is not related to biblical Truth.

Listen, God told them BOTH........>BOTH......"do not Eat."
Eve HEARD this......and disobeyed = willingly.
She knew she was TOLD by GOD.....>DO NOT DO IT">
She disobeyed = , knowingly, willfully. As it was her WILL to eat that fruit, KNOWING God had told them Both not to do it.
She CHOSE to do it.... = willfully.
The Devil didnt force the Apple into her mouth....so, who are you trying to kid, 1stCenturyLady??? ..EVE put it in there, knowing....KNOWING she was told by GOD....."Do not EAT".
= That is willfully doing it.
Its the same with you...
95% of the time you have sinned (work of the flesh) you knew it.
And to deny this is to say...>"all those times were accidents", = is a LIE.
Don't lie.
So, "willfully sinning" is 95% of the time, a CHRISTIAN is committing a "work of the Flesh".
Paul tells us.....the born again...>'Do not use God's Grace, this eternal forgiveness, to enjoy an occasion of a work of the Flesh".

Let me paraphrase... "Dont commit carnal behavior because you know that 2 Corinthians 5:19, and Romans 4:8, tells you that God does not charge sin to you anymore".
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Ok, let me show you what is wrong with your faith, and because its wrong, you are harmful to real believers when you teach.

1CenturyLady/CharismaticLady....= The core of your entire anti-Cross teaching is...>"you can lose your salvation"< as everything you teach, ends with that deceived concept.

Now let me show you something..

If you ask an UNBELIEVER< never born again......= "how do you go to heaven".. They will from their carnal mind of the flesh, that is "mind darkened"....all say...>""""well, if i do more GOOD WORKS THEN BAD WORKS, over my lifetime... God will see that i have more GOOD WORKs then BAD works, and based on my GOOD WORKS.... will let me into heaven because of these WORKS.."""

See that?
That is the carnal "understanding darkened" mind, of an UNBELIEVER, who BELIEVES that if they do more good deeds then bad deeds over their lifetime then God will count their good works against their bad, and if the number is higher, they get to go to heaven.
That is the "error of CAIN" they are Believing... that Jude explains in his Epistle.
That is how an UNBELIEVER tries to work their way into heaven. That is the "understanding darkened" = "mind of the FLESH" that does not understand the CROSS OF CHRIST, the BLOOD ATONEMENT, or "justification by faith", or the Redemption that is found "in Christ".

Now, Paul says to some DECEIVED born again Galatians..... ""you began in the Spirit" by FAITH alone,... and now you are fallen from this Faith, (fallen from Grace), into the Carnal mind of the FLESH that is trying to find Heaven, gain heaven, and God's acceptance, by doing WORKS to achieve it.
See that?
That is the same MIND that an unbeliever has, who is trying to do more good works than bad works, to try to go to heaven.
So, a born again Christian, can become in their MIND< ... exactly the same "darkened carnal mind" that is in an UNBELIEVER, who is not born again.. And when they have become this "mind of the flesh", (fallen from Grace).. they will teach that you can LOSE YOUR SALVATION, unless you do these things, ...these WORKS< to keep yourself SAVED, = they teach.
So, this born again person, that Paul is talking about in Galatians, has fallen from Grace, and their understanding has become "darkened", and Paul says they are "in the FLESH", regarding having the same mind that an unbeliever has who BELIEVES that WORKS are what God requires to allow them into heaven.

Paul teaches that when YOU become that same mind that is the "understanding darkened mind" so that your faith is now resting in DEEDS, WORKs, and Self effort, to try to go to Heaven and keeps yourself saved... that you have become := '"BEWITCHED.""
And Paul is talking to you.., 1stCenturyLady/CharismaticLady.... as you're theology of Salvation, is to try to constantly prove that YOU have to work, and commit self effort, and try to bear fruit, so that GOD will keep you.
Your idea of Righteousness is : SELF Righteousness. How do i make my SELF,,,, righteous.. How do i keep myself saved, by my DEEDS.
That's is your salvation Theology, and it denies the Cross.
And Paul says about people like you,.... this...

= " WHO has BEWITCHED you, so that you no longer obey the TRUTH".

Now, i dont know WHO caused your faith to leave God's Grace, and enter this dark mind=... "here is whatI you must DO, to try to STAY SAVED", but whomever has Bewitched you, did a fine job, as you are so far gone into the "here is how i keep myself saved" "FLESH MIND", that you are found constantly on public Christian Forums trying to cause Real Believers, to "fall from Grace", as you have....as your MINISTRY.
And that proves you are captured in your mind by strong strong deception that not only captured you, but now possesses you to teach it, so that real believers can also "fall from Grace".
You are in a darkened spiritual situation, and i have shown you, now again, what has happened to you.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Listen, God told them BOTH........>BOTH......"do not Eat."

It is only written that he told Adam. He made Eve AFTER he made Adam. Adam should have told her how important it was not to eat of it. The serpent explained to her a lie that contradicted Adam, but she had never been lied to before so she believed the last things she heard. She loved God and the serpent played on that and told her she would be like God - a good thing. Being tricked is not our fault. It is the fault of the con artist.

Again, what do you believe is GRACE? You keep saying some ridiculous things.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

1CenturyLady/CharismaticLady....= The core of your entire anti-Cross teaching is...>"you can lose your salvation"< as everything you teach, ends with that deceived concept.

Not IF you are TRULY saved, but yes if you are just a pew warmer, and there are more who believe false teachings than true gospel. That is why there are so many warnings in the New Testament. And that is why I said, "not me." I am a true Christian and yes, I cannot lose my salvation because I am a doer, not just a talker. You better be careful with your easy grace teachings. If your teachings send someone to hell, you will be judged.

Again, what do you believe is GRACE?

 

[Behold]

It is only written that he told Adam. He made Eve AFTER he made Adam.

Again, what do you believe is GRACE? .

God made Eve from Adam, you mean.
Also, Eve said this..

""The woman said to the serpent, “""We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but GOD DID SAY, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”"

So, if you prefer to think that God did not tell her, when they were always together... .then you just believe what you like, as that is always your Theology.
= Self created, with the help of at least one heretic, as its always this situation with people like you.

And your question, is not stated correctly, 1stCenturyLady ... The correct question is.....WHO is Grace???, if you are of the correct understanding, as Jesus is not a WHAT, He's a who, He's the SAVIOR.

God's GRACE is Jesus. God's Salvation is Jesus. God's Eternal Life is Jesus. God's Redemption Is Jesus. God's Resurrection is JESUS.

Its because the born again are in Union Spiritually with Jesus and He is IN THEM, Spiritually, = that the born again are eternally "one with God".
The born again will remain 'One with GOD" for as long as the born again are "In Christ", and that is for eternity.

Works, have no part in God's Salvation, as God's Salvation is : JESUS

 

[Behold]

Not IF you are TRULY saved, but yes if you are just a pew warmer, and there are more who believe false teachings than true gospel. ?

Actually the born again are never warned that they can lose Christ in them, and He would have to leave them to cause them to lose Salvation, as Christ In them, is their Salvation.
Jesus said..."i will never leave you (the born again) or forsake you".
Everything you teach, denies this Truth, ive noticed, = 1stCenturyLadyCharismaticLady

So, Salvation is finished, if you are born again.
The Gift of Righteousness has been applied by God, = "New Creation in Christ".
Discipleship is not finished. It has a course to run.

People who have no real faith in Christ prefer to try to keep themselves saved, pretending that their works are equal to the blood of Jesus.
And this type of Legalistic FOOL eventually faces a harsh life crisis.
Why?
Because God is not mocked, and there is nothing that spits in the face of God more, then a Cross rejecting heretic pretending to be an authority on Salvation, who literally causes believers to doubt The Living Christ's Power to not only save them, but keep them saved.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

God made Eve from Adam, you mean.
Also, Eve said this..

""The woman said to the serpent, “""We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but GOD DID SAY, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”"

So, if you prefer to think that God did not tell her, when they were always together... .then you just believe what you like, as that is always your Theology.
= Self created, with the help of at least one heretic, as its always this situation with people like you.

And your question, is not stated correctly, 1stCenturyLady ... The correct question is.....WHO is Grace???, if you are of the correct understanding, as Jesus is not a WHAT, He's a who, He's the SAVIOR.

God's GRACE is Jesus. God's Salvation is Jesus. God's Eternal Life is Jesus. God's Redemption Is Jesus. God's Resurrection is JESUS.

Its because the born again are in Union Spiritually with Jesus and He is IN THEM, Spiritually, = that the born again are eternally "one with God".
The born again will remain 'One with GOD" for as long as the born again are "In Christ", and that is for eternity.

Works, have no part in God's Salvation, as God's Salvation is : JESUS

So then it is your misunderstanding of WORKS that is your problem and why we disagree so much. That is why you teach irresponsibility.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Actually the born again are never warned that they can lose Christ in them, and He would have to leave them to cause them to lose Salvation, as Christ In them, is their Salvation.
Jesus said..."i will never leave you (the born again) or forsake you".
Everything you teach, denies this Truth, ive noticed, = 1stCenturyLadyCharismaticLady

So, Salvation is finished, if you are born again.
The Gift of Righteousness has been applied by God, = "New Creation in Christ".
Discipleship is not finished. It has a course to run.

People who have no real faith in Christ prefer to try to keep themselves saved, pretending that their works are equal to the blood of Jesus.
And this type of Legalistic FOOL eventually faces a harsh life crisis.
Why?
Because God is not mocked, and there is nothing that spits in the face of God more, then a Cross rejecting heretic pretending to be an authority on Salvation, who literally causes believers to doubt The Living Christ's Power to not only save them, but keep them saved.

You may think that God blinks an eye to trampling on the blood of Jesus and insulting the Spirit of Grace, but He doesn't.

 

[Behold]

That is why you teach irresponsibility.

I would never do that... I just teach Pauline Theology.... always centered around "The preaching of the Cross." and "the Gift of Salvation" and the righteousness of God in Christ" that is provided by God as "the Gift of Salvation".

So, i wanted to ask you a question.. 1CenturyLadyCharismaticLady..

Let me say this first.. The Pre-Incarnate Christ, before He became "God manifested in the Flesh", was IN God. John 1.
So, as God pre-incarnate, He would of course Have God's DIVINITY... or Nature, or "image" or "likeness".. exactly, as Jesus is GOD.
Christ was then created inside a virgin's womb, not by human sperm, but by the Holy Spirit, thereby confirming and maintaining His DIVINE NATURE that He possessed before He was born down here as 'God manifested IN THE Flesh".
So, you teach that He has not God's Nature, but ""MARY's Nature"". So, she is not the nature of God on earth, she is not divine, she is born of her mother from the seed of a human with a fallen Adamic nature. So, she is just like you, when she was born..
She is not immaculate, she is not sinless, she is not anything except human, with a fallen nature. YET, you teach that this woman with an adamic nature, is the ""Nature of Jesus The Christ."" So, that denies that He is God, divine, or born as the 2nd Adam, with the divine nature of God.
So, if that is true, then He would not have been able to die as Christ our sacrifice as he would have just been one more person with a fallen nature needed to be SAVED.

So....Im curious, as your "Mary's Nature" teaching is such an offense to Christ, ... i wanted to know where this cult teaching came from?
As :

Catholics do not believe that Jesus got his "Nature from Mary".
Jehovah's Witness do not believe that Jesus got His "nature from Mary".
Mormons do not teach that Jesus got his "nature from Mary"
No mainline Protestant denomination teaches that Jesus got his "nature from Mary"
That includes, the Assembly of God, United Pentecostals, Word of Faith, Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Church of England., and on and on...

So, your CULT teaches this incredible assault against the Divine Holiness of Christ, and i wanted to know exactly what CULT teaches such a hellish Lie.

Could you tell us?
As no minor or major cult or mainline Protestant denomination, or even the "cult of Mary" =the Catholic church..... teaches that Jesus's NATURE came from a fallen human being named MARY.
But you teach it, and so, someone taught you this incredibly offensive theology.

Who is it?

 

[Behold]

You may think that God blinks an eye to trampling on the blood of Jesus and insulting the Spirit of Grace, but He doesn't.

All my Threads and Posts give credit to the Holy Blood and Death of the God man on THE CROSS.....for saving us and keeping us saved.

What does that mean? It means that what you just said, is about as self deceived as it gets.
Believe it.

 

[theefaith]

But you don't need a low priest to be saved as you asked. You are only saved through the High Priest, Jesus.

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[theefaith]

Think of it like this...

What is separating a person, from God ?

What?

A.) SIN

Just sin..... so, God solves this sin issue for us, by giving to us Christ's blood, death, and Cross.

We hear this message. = We hear that Christ has died for our sin.
We realize we are sinners..... = That is God's Holy Spirit causing this understanding in our heart.
WE then give our FAITH in CHRIST to GOD...
God accepts this faith, RIGHT THEN, THAT ONCE.. Instantly... to then take that Cross and that Blood and that Death of Christ, and sacrifice it FOR OUR SIN....= Because we BELIEVED.

God doing this for us, because we have BELIEVED, is.... Our SALVATION.

Now ALL our sin is ON Christ, paid for by His DEATH and BLOOD, that is God's judgment against OUR SIN.
It fell on Christ.....>HE WAS JUDGED for all our SIN .. and we go FREE ... "made righteous". a "new creation in Christ".

This is "the GIFT of Righteousness".. and.. "The Gift of Salvation".

And Mk 16:16?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Your idea is that you have the power beyond God's to keep yourself saved, and that extreme self righteousness makes your deceptive theology harmful to real believers, when you try to teach regarding Salvation.

You still do not understand having never been baptized in the Holy Spirit.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

God's GRACE is Jesus. God's Salvation is Jesus. God's Eternal Life is Jesus. God's Redemption Is Jesus. God's Resurrection is JESUS.

Jesus is full of Grace, but what IS the Grace that Jesus is full of? Stop playing around. You don't even know.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

All my Threads and Posts give credit to the Holy Blood and Death of the God man on THE CROSS.....for saving us and keeping us saved.

What does that mean? It means that what you just said, is about as self deceived as it gets.
Believe it.

I want you to become a good teacher, not a false one. God is holy, and without holiness no man shall see God. Stop teaching disobedience, and memorize 1 John 3:23-24. It is the Spirit who not only calls us to be obedient, but empowers us, so it is not by our own efforts. That is what you absolutely refuse to see so you make yourself blind. And it is by His powerful nature in us that we naturally obey. That is not self-righteousness when you are one with Christ. So stop playing the devil's word games. Know your enemy, and stop playing into his hand. Respect the Word of God, and be holy as Jesus is holy.

Pure ignorance of works and obedience is not acceptable. It is works from the Old Covenant that Paul describes as 'works' such as keeping days holy, not eating certain meats, and circumcision. But New Covenant commandments such as partaking of the Lord's Supper and Water Baptism is representative of Christ, and is obedience. Jesus said, "If you love me, keep My commandments." And another thing: the wages of sin is eternal death, not just physical death, what you false doctrinally want it to mean to go with your teaching. If you keep teaching what you do, you need a millstone tied around your neck.

So who is it that ABIDES IN CHRIST?
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Behold, to cure your ignorance, please read the whole Book of Galatians slowly. Paul will teach you what he means by works when he was battling the Judaisers that were trying to convince the Galatians they must be circumcised according to the Old Covenant. Absorb it. Find out what Paul means by 'works.' James was not contradicting Paul. They were on the same page, but your teaching lawlessness is not what Jesus taught, nor James, nor Paul. So stop!

James: Faith without works is dead. Have some discernment from the Spirit about righteous works that you obviously don't possess right now - The discernment.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

There is so much your denomination doesn't teach you. You and I have the authority of Christ too. This is why so many Catholics are weak in the faith.

 

[Phoneman777]

No, his sin nature is already crucified with Christ freeing him from sin. Romans 6:6-7, 22. Go back and read the context of "I die daily." It has nothing to do with sin. To preach other than the Word confirms a false teaching from the Reformation Calvinism of "we will always sin until we die out of these bodies." The the context has to do with putting his life in peril for preaching the gospel.

1 Corinthians 15:
30 And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? 31 I affirm, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

I would say Paul was in prison more than any other apostle.

If what you're saying is true, Paul wouldn't have talked about having to "keep my body under and bring it into submission". Don't you remember he talked about "sin in my members"? That's nothing other than the war between the "natural man" and the "spiritual man" in which the "natural man" keeps resurrecting and the "spiritual man" keeps beating him back down into submission. Let's not pretend you, me, or anyone else doesn't have that struggle:

When an indecently dressed flirt walks by on the street, our EYES wanna look. "Sin in my members".

When someone is laying out some juicy gossip, our EARS wanna listen: "Sin in my members".

When some satanic beat blasts on the radio, our FEET wanna move to it: "Sin in my members".

When forbidden food or drink confronts us, our TONGUES wanna savor: "Sin in my members".

When evil thoughts enter our BRAIN, even during prayer, we wanna indulge: "Sin in my members".

"But I keep my body under and bring it into submission, lest after I have preached unto others, I myself be found a castaway" ("castaway" meaning "lost").

 

[Phoneman777]

Paul said that the old man is crucified with Christ., and we are to "reckon him dead".

How do you resurrect him?
By trying to stay saved, instead of believing that God keeps you saved.

See that?
That is a broken faith issue, that brings self righteousness into dominion, and that IS the "Old man" problem.

We resurrect the old man of sin each time we fail to "reckon him dead".

When we reckon him "still alive and raring to go", there he is. Once our minds are aware of our spiritual amnesia, we're to "bring it into submission" by crucifying again the old man.

It never fails to amaze me how the hyper grace OSAS crowd will go to such lengths to pretend passages of Scripture don't mean exactly what they say. They read, "The old man of sin is dead" and close the Bible, refusing to consider the rest of the story: the "keeping under" and "bringing into submission" of the natural man, to whom we grant new life each time we forget of his demise.

 

[theefaith]

There is so much your denomination doesn't teach you. You and I have the authority of Christ too. This is why so many Catholics are weak in the faith.

in what way do we have authority?

 

[Behold]

You still do not understand having never been baptized in the Holy Spirit.

You keep posting unprovable nonsense, quoteless false accusations, because you are a cultist, theologically clueless, and have been exposed as a lying deceiver.

Maybe you and your "jesus has the nature of Mary", need to just find a place and be quiet now.

FYI, I was baptized into the Ministry by the Holy Spirit, in 1996.

 

[Behold]

Jesus is full of Grace, but what IS the Grace that Jesus is full of? Stop playing around. You don't even know.

Jesus IS God's Grace.
Jesus IS God's Salvation.
Jesus is THE Resurrection.
Jesus is THE Redemption, because He's the Redeemer.
The Blood Atonement, is Jesus Himself.