Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

[Jay Ross]

There are no differences, period. They are either sinners or saved. Being a Catholic or a Protestant is just a label for the grouping in which we circulate during our time on earth.

 

[Phoneman777]

that’s different from the the keys of the kingdom Isa 22:21-22 Matt 16:18-19

just as Christ is the rock of salvation but not the rock on which the church is built cos he is the only builder!! Matt 16:18-19

The "ROCK" upon which the church is built is the truth "THOU art the Christ, the Son of the living God".

Peter is the "petros" and he fully lived up to his name...even Paul had to give him a public smackdown for his foolishness, and Jesus called him "SATAN" for the same.

However, the "PETRA" is Jesus, to Whom the Psalmist says "Thou ONLY art the Rock".

See what I did there? I showed you there's only ONE "Rock" in Scripture, and it aint' Peter

 

[Phoneman777]

who is the child?

"Manchild" is a symbol for Jesus.

The "woman" is a symbol for His church:

"I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman." - Jeremiah 6:2 KJV
"Say unto Zion, Thou art MY PEOPLE". - Isaiah 51:16 KJV
"...that I may present you a chaste virgin to Christ." - 2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV
"I go to prepare a place for you...and...I will receive you unto myself (Hebrew marriage protocol)." - John 14:3 KJV

We must allow Revelation to be interpreted by the rest of Scripture, right or wrong?

 

[Phoneman777]

You’re absolutely correct.
Your pedophilic SDA cult is NOT headquartered in Rome . . .

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Woman claims Seventh Day Adventists failed to protect her from sex .

There's a huge difference between a few bad apples and an entire global rotten orchard.

There's no need for anyone to link to Catholic sex scandals - their priests are constantly getting busted and making headlines.

 

[Brakelite]

You fail to see the difference between veneration and worship. You "venerate" Ellen G. White, the only way out for you is to change the meaning of "venerate" into something it does not mean.

2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, “You cannot serve God and mammon.”44 Many martyrs died for not adoring “the Beast”45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.46

2114 Human life finds its unity in the adoration of the one God. The commandment to worship the Lord alone integrates man and saves him from an endless disintegration. Idolatry is a perversion of man’s innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who “transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God.”47

Footnotes:

42 Ps 115:4-5, 8; cf. Isa 44:9-20; Jer 10:1-16; Dan 14:1-30; Bar 6; Wis 13:1-15:19.
43 Josh 3:10; Ps 42:3; etc.
44 Mt 6:24.
45 Cf. Rev 13-14.
46 Cf. Gal 5:20; Eph 5:5.
47 Origen, Contra Celsum 2,40 G 11,861.

I would contend that very few people are so stupid as to think that a wooden crucifix or plaster statue of Christ is Christ Himself, and to be worshiped. They are simply devotional aids, to help concentrate one’s mind on God, just as virtually all Christians would accept painted portraits of Jesus as pious items that help us reflect on our wonderful Lord and Savior and what He has done for us, making it possible to be saved from our sins and go to heaven one day.

In the case of statues of saints, they help us honor or venerate them, which is a separate discussion. So this criticism would apply to so few people as to be miniscule and virtually an irrelevant concern: one in a thousand profoundly ignorant and nominal Catholics, if even that many.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davea...catholicism-utterly-opposes-idolatry-too.html

I agree with your theological description of idolatry... Anything that replaces God in the minds and hearts of people is idolatry. God comes first, always. However, we need a Mediator in order to relate to God. God provided one. His Son. What Catholics have done is effectively say, we don't trust the Mediator God provided, we don't believe He will listen to us. We will provide our own mediator, whom we will exalt to a higher level than the Son... We will replace Christ with another. That is the precise meaning of Antichrist. Whether you reverence or worship is irrelevant.

 

[Brakelite]

bull crap!

now try to tell the truth!

don’t forget to mention the burned over district!

Why is that untrue? KJV Acts 1:11
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven . The disciples who heard that had been expecting Jesus to take the throne away from the Romans, as they had just finished asking Jesus, KJV Acts 1:6
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? ... Not many days hence??? (See previous verse). So it was at that moment they became believers in the second coming.
These same Jewish disciples were also observers of the 4th commandment Sabbath. These two characteristics of early post-ascension Christianity clearly defines that early church as 7th day adventists. That is where the current church finds it's roots. A true apostolic church. Your church sadly finds no common ground with those early disciples at all. You church does not want a second coming of Jesus, incorporating the resurrection and transition into heaven, because that will screw up all the plans for your church's and your pope's ambitions for an earthly kingdom. It also finds no harmony, in fact it's completely contradictory to your church's teaching concerning the Sunday/Sabbath issue, seeing the Catholic Church changed that day without any apostolic or biblical authority whatsoever... Changing a Commandment of God? Rome will have to pay for that one. So bull crap? Not at all.

 

[Brakelite]

you have Mary for you’re mother and can come to her throne of grace! Heb 4:16

An example of what I'm talking about... The replacement of Christ... Antichrist.

The very SAME Church that YOU claim succumbed to the gates of Hell in the early 4th century declared the Canon of Scripture that YOU and ALL of Christendom adhere to under the guidance of the Holy Spirit lter that same century.

Yet churches were established throughout many regions before the 4th century, and they had scriptures. They didn't need Rome to "declare" anything. They didn't have a relationship with Rome, they knew Jesus. Do you?

 

[Brakelite]

Comedy hour has started already.....Soooooo you are not going to explain your cryptic words?

Only YOU know what YOU meant. Help me understand what you meant!

Mary

Do you still think a relationship with Jesus is inferior to being a member of your church, such as Pope Francis believes?

 

[quietthinker]

Truth is not abstract.....truth is a person.
What do we think Jesus mean't when he said 'I am the truth'?

 

[Illuminator]

There are no statues of EG White in Adventist churches ,no statues at all.

Only stupid people think that prayer stops at an image, and no statues of EG White is no excuse to constantly and falsely accuse those who have them. EG White's tombstone is a pagan obelisk, what's that supposed to mean???

Bowing stuff is worship.

Yes, if one bows before wood, plaster, bronze or resin and worships it as if it were a god. That's idolatry. Bowing as a sign of reverence and veneration and is found in many places in the Bible.

Deut. 5:9 – God’s command, “you shall not bow down to them” means “do not worship them.” But not all bowing is worship. Here God’s command is connected to false worship.

Rev. 3:9 – Jesus said people would bow down before the faithful members of the church of Philadelphia. This bowing before the faithful is not worship, just as kissing a picture of a family member is not worship.

Gen. 19:1 – Lot bowed down to the ground in veneration before two angels in Sodom.

Gen. 42:6 – Joseph’s brothers bow before Joseph with the face to the ground.

Jos. 5:14 – Joshua fell to the ground prostrate in veneration before an angel.

1 Sam. 28:14 – Saul bows down before Samuel with his face to the ground in honor and veneration.

1 Kings 1:23 – the prophet Nathan bows down before King David.

2 Kings 2:15 – the sons of the prophets bow down to Elisha at Jericho.

1 Chron. 21:21 – Ornan the Jebusite did obeisance to king David with his face to the ground.

1 Chron. 29:20 – Israelites bowed down to worship God and give honor to the king.

2 Chron. 29:29-30 – King Hezekiah and the assembly venerate the altar by bowing down in worship before the sin offerings.

Psalm 138:2 – David bows down before God’s Holy Temple.

Only stupid people think that prayer or bowing stops at the image, and they use photos to illustrate their stupidity.

 

[Brakelite]

Only stupid people think that prayer or bowing stops at the image, and they use photos to illustrate their stupidity.

The photo I posted in support of my contentions weren't necessarily an illustration of the actual statue itself being the idol... It represents Mary, I get that. Thing is this. Not only is Mary dead, and cannot hear anyone's prayers let alone pass them on to anyone, having Mary as an intercessor is itself idolatry, as people "reverence" Mary on place of Christ, the Son of God who is appointed our High Priest and only Mediator between God and man. Placing some one else in the line is usurpation of Christ's role. Which is idolatry.

 

[Daydreamer]

With God – ALL things are possible.
This doesn’t mean that it is likely.

As for being “Saved” – the Bible assure us that we as Christians are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8).
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it ALSO says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).
This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

Here’s the real difference between us. A man is powerfully convicted of his sin by the Spirit. He sinks to his knees, tears streaming down his cheeks. He cries out to God for forgiveness of his sins and asks Christ into his life as Lord and saviour of it(or whatever particular term you might use) How will God respond? Will he say to the man ‘’I will forgive you, but not yet, only once you have been baptized in water’’ I don’t believe that, you do, hence the difference between us.

And there really is no need to put twenty scriptures or so up in response, I’ve read them all before. These sites exist in the fact everyone has their own particular scriptures they can quote to support their own particular views. I agree with a Baptist minster of 50 years. Although the bible at times appears to link water baptism to salvation, we are saved by grace through faith(Eph2:8) And in my view, what matters most to God is the heart. After all, nearly all of the mafia got baptised! I will leave it there, as for me, this is not a debate that is of enough importance to continue.

 

[theefaith]

My church has an altar, but no altar calls.

No food either: famine in the land

but in my fathers house even the servants have plenty to eat

 

[Naomanos]

No food either: famine in the land

but in my fathers house even the servants have plenty to eat

My church has plenty of spiritual food. We have the same father, you and I. We have the same Jesus, you and I.

 

[theefaith]

The "ROCK" upon which the church is built is the truth "THOU art the Christ, the Son of the living God".

Peter is the "petros" and he fully lived up to his name...even Paul had to give him a public smackdown for his foolishness, and Jesus called him "SATAN" for the same.

However, the "PETRA" is Jesus, to Whom the Psalmist says "Thou ONLY art the Rock".

See what I did there? I showed you there's only ONE "Rock" in Scripture, and it aint' Peter

its Peter!
Satan was speaking thru Peter he did not say I rebuke you Peter!
Jesus changed simon’s name to Peter signifying an office!


did Christ give the keys of jurisdictional authority to a confession? Or to the person of the apostle Peter?

did a confession miraculously catch a fish with a coin in its mouth to pay the temple tax for both Christ and Peter identifying them as one in Matt 17:27 Or did the person of the apostle Peter?

Did a confession stand up in acts 1 and quote the Old Testament and appoint Mathias as an apostle? Or did the person of the apostle Peter?

Did a confession give the first sermon in acts 2? Or did the person of the apostle Peter?

did a man in acts 3:6 receive a miracle thru a confession? Or did the person of the apostle Peter?

Did a man in acts 5:5 fall dead at the feet of a confession? Or to the person of the apostle Peter?

did a confession preach the necessity of baptismal regeneration in acts 2:38-39 and 1 pet 3:20-21?
Or did the person of the apostle Peter?

 

[theefaith]

"Manchild" is a symbol for Jesus.

The "woman" is a symbol for His church:

"I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman." - Jeremiah 6:2 KJV
"Say unto Zion, Thou art MY PEOPLE". - Isaiah 51:16 KJV
"...that I may present you a chaste virgin to Christ." - 2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV
"I go to prepare a place for you...and...I will receive you unto myself (Hebrew marriage protocol)." - John 14:3 KJV

We must allow Revelation to be interpreted by the rest of Scripture, right or wrong?

only the church can interpret scripture

the child is Jesus
The woman is not his bride (church) but his mother d therefore our spiritual mother rev 12:17 Jn 19:26

 

[theefaith]

Why is that untrue? KJV Acts 1:11
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven . The disciples who heard that had been expecting Jesus to take the throne away from the Romans, as they had just finished asking Jesus, KJV Acts 1:6
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? ... Not many days hence??? (See previous verse). So it was at that moment they became believers in the second coming.
These same Jewish disciples were also observers of the 4th commandment Sabbath. These two characteristics of early post-ascension Christianity clearly defines that early church as 7th day adventists. That is where the current church finds it's roots. A true apostolic church. Your church sadly finds no common ground with those early disciples at all. You church does not want a second coming of Jesus, incorporating the resurrection and transition into heaven, because that will screw up all the plans for your church's and your pope's ambitions for an earthly kingdom. It also finds no harmony, in fact it's completely contradictory to your church's teaching concerning the Sunday/Sabbath issue, seeing the Catholic Church changed that day without any apostolic or biblical authority whatsoever... Changing a Commandment of God? Rome will have to pay for that one. So bull crap? Not at all.

the apostolic church has authority
Matt 16:18-19 authorized to bind all Christians to faith and practice

 

[theefaith]

An example of what I'm talking about... The replacement of Christ... Antichrist.

Yet churches were established throughout many regions before the 4th century, and they had scriptures. They didn't need Rome to "declare" anything. They didn't have a relationship with Rome, they knew Jesus. Do you?

this is the throne of Mary the one who is full of grace Lk 1:28 who found our salvation Lk 1:30 who consented to our salvation Lk 1:38 and is the mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Jesus is not replaced by Mary on this throne he is at the right hand of the father on the great white throne!

there is only one church Jn 10:16 in subjection to Christ Eph 5:24 then to Peter the head on earth Isa 22/21-22then to the apostles

 

[BreadOfLife]

In my church it is where the offerings are presented and the bread and wine are consecrated in the eucharist.

And which church is that?

 

[Wrangler]

"Manchild" is a symbol for Jesus.

Interesting. I never heard that before. Where can I reference that?