You'd have to define what you man by religion as it relates to Jesus before He was crucified, so that i can understand what you mean.
Jews, unsaved, have a religion.
The born again, have a relationship with God. =. Christianity.
Not the same thing.
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You'd have to define what you man by religion as it relates to Jesus before He was crucified, so that i can understand what you mean.
Jews, unsaved, have a religion.
The born again, have a relationship with God. =. Christianity.
Not the same thing.
ScottA
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I have presented no "rival deity"--so why does one lie and misrepresent another, if he "knows" the truth? ..Because he is lying.
But it is true, that you yourself have stated that the two being One, are not One, but two...which apparently remains a mystery to you--because you reject it.
Trinitarian ministries make use of the historical fact in their efforts to convert Jews. Jews For Jesus is the biggest group that I’ve run personally across that puts it to this use:
“So, what is the religion of Jesus? The simple answer is: Judaism.”
(Stephanie Hamman, “What Religion Was Jesus?”)
What Religion Was Jesus?
Another trinitarian source on the religion of Jesus:
What religion was Jesus? | GotQuestions.org
Jesus told the religious (the religion of the Pharisees) "you are of your father the devil."
That was their religion..... and still is..
What Jesus did, was ....>God became a man, under the law, and lived a sinless life, and this life is exchanged for our sin.
This is Salvation.
Here is Jesus's Religion..
He explains it better then anyone...
"""""Jesus said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”"""
The “classic” trinitarians are correct in identifying the religion of Jesus as Judaism. It’s simply a historical fact.
If that were true then you would have no other God than the one whom Jesus has - the Father alone.
You’ve placed yours against his, and his is mine.
You reject things of which you have no knowledge or understanding, and you’ve helpfully stated the reason why you do -
ScottA
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Confused language...since Babel. On purpose. Which purpose is to prolong the days until the days of all those who are to be in Him are fulfilled.
As for confusion, to the left you can see me--yes, that is me. But it is just an image...there is not two of us, only one. In this same way God created mankind, including the Son of Man.
“Singular means plural and vice versa” would be very confusing, but that’s not what God did when he confused the language at the Tower of Babel.
Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of Man.
God created the Son of Man
God created Jesus of Nazareth.
Excellent.
There was a time, however, when believing that and making it known would place a person’s life in jeopardy.
ScottA
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Confusing doesn't mean the information is not all there, it is. However, it must [by design] be spiritually discerned. The explanation then, is that, as it is written in parable form, God is lengthening the cords of His tent, that as He has said from the beginning, "It is not good that man should be alone"--which is to be understood by a Church who is to be known as a Bride portrayed as being women...is to be discerned as meaning that God Himself should not be alone, and that we His Bride should become as one flesh. None of which can be understood if one does not [spiritually] understand that the Head and the Bridegroom are One and the same as He who has said it and brings it all to pass.
Indeed, and yet what good is it if one is equally wrong?
I submit...there is a reason that the scriptures foretell of One coming with the power of God, who is called God with us, who was before the world was, who has the power of life and death, who made all that was made...and it is not because He is a man, but rather that He became a man who was not a man but became flesh and dwelt among us. And from there...you must choose. Which is that same choice between life and death that was first given in the beginning to Adam and Eve, then to Israel by Moses, then to the Church by Christ.
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To be made in His image and likeness means we need to be in Him to exist. All exists through His image and likeness. For in Him we live, move and have our being. To step out of this means death if it were not for His grace.
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""""And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."""
Notice....>"and being found in fashion as a man".. in other words, being found in a man's body.... HE = humbled Himself.
Who is HE?
Who was found IN a man's body, "in fashion as a man"?
Who is that? = who by doing this was humbling Himself ..... for your sin and mine?
Who came down from Heaven, who is the Bread of Life... to humble themself, for your sin and mine, and had to become a HUMAN to do it?
That is the 2nd Adam.
A.) God as Christ.
Jesus the man.
Jesus said...>"i am from ABOVE, and YOU are from BELOW"...
Jesus is the "bread of Heaven come down from heaven".
Jesus said..."if you have seen me, you have seen the Father".
Jesus said..>"i and my Father are one"..
God said...."Let US..... make man.....in OUR image"
GOD = US ..... OUR...
See that? That is Christ the pre-incarnate WORD, found in John 1, who "was GOD"....and now is "found in fashion as a man"..
The GOD man.
Jesus THE Christ
Trinity? Hmmm labels.... Jesus was dependent upon the Father as we are to be. He said, Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works, For without Him I can do nothing.
And what of.
(John 10:31 [KJV])
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
(John 10:32 [KJV])
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
(John 10:33 [KJV])
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
(John 10:34 [KJV])
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
(John 10:35 [KJV])
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
(John 10:36 [KJV])
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
(John 10:37 [KJV])
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(John 10:38 [KJV])
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Was Jesus dependent on the Father when He walked on water, cast out demons, raised the dead, and flew back to Heaven from whence He first departed before He was Virgin born?
Its interesting to note... that everyone who can't stand the idea of "God manifested in the Flesh" and Jesus "the Word made flesh", never seem to realize that CHRIST was PRE-INCARNATE, and didnt have a body, and didn't have the name JESUS.
At that TIME, He was "THE WORD", who "WAS God". John 1
You ALL leave out that part, every time.
This type of hide and seek and dodge reminds me of liars who play the "theory of evolution" game, using the "big bang" as their "go to" lie.
What is that a lie?
Its because the "big bang", had to have something to bang.
It had to have the material, the matter, the CREATiON< to "BANG". YET the "big bang" science never starts there....as that is the ORIGIN of it, and when you start looking at the "before the BB", what was there there and how did it get there, then GOD shows up, and so, the Evolutionary people, the Atheists, and the Scientists, dont want to go there... oh no.
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Jesus is a man, a human person. There were some - the Gnostics - who said that he only appeared to be a man.
No one living in biblical times called Jesus “Godman”.
Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, the Son of God is anthropos (man) in scripture, not theanthropos (Godman).
Where does “Godman” come from? It comes from Origen.
Jesus of Nazareth has a God and worships his God. I’ve already posted in this thread the scripture which shows that his God is the one and only God.
:You should invest in a BIBLE as your commentaries and online sites that control your theology, seem to not want you to find out that the Apostle Thomas, said that Jesus was "Lord and God".
I haven’t left anything out. I hope you can at least acknowledge that.
I’m not an evolutionist. I believe that God alone, by himself, is the creator of heaven and earth.
You’ve said that your belief isn’t “Classic Trinity”- neither is mine.
I own dozens of them. Which translation do you recommend? Perhaps I already have it.
I’ve been reading a book on the history of the first Council of Nicea. Your comment took me back to it - men behaving badly.
I say the same thing the Apostle Thomas said. You must not have heard me.
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