Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

[covenantee]

No, I don't. The Divinity of Jesus did not come from the Bible; it came from the Catholic Church. The Apostles taught that Jesus is the image of God, the exegesis of God, the revelation of God, the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature. But Jesus was a man, not a divinity.

Provide a verbatim quote, source, author, and date proving that "it came from the Catholic Church".

 

[covenantee]

No, I don't. The Divinity of Jesus did not come from the Bible; it came from the Catholic Church. The Apostles taught that Jesus is the image of God, the exegesis of God, the revelation of God, the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature. But Jesus was a man, not a divinity.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Does Isaiah 9:6 come from the Bible?

Does Isaiah 9:6 come from the Catholic church?

 

[Charlie24]

Isaiah 60 doesn't state what you claim, keep searching for scripture that gives special treatment by God to a specific ethnic race "Jews" you ain't gonna find it in the bible

LOL, I once heard an evangelist say, you can only show them and then walk away.

 

[covenantee]

The Scriptures say that there is Divinity, i.e. Godhood, in Jesus.

I believe that there is Divinity, i.e. Godhood, in Jesus.

Do you believe that there is Divinity, i.e. Godhood, in Jesus?

No, I don't. The Divinity of Jesus did not come from the Bible; it came from the Catholic Church. The Apostles taught that Jesus is the image of God, the exegesis of God, the revelation of God, the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature. But Jesus was a man, not a divinity.

How many of you premils out there agree?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Provide a verbatim quote, source, author, and date proving that "it came from the Catholic Church".

Have you never heard of the Nicene Creed, 19 June 325?

 

[CadyandZoe]

How many of you premils out there agree?

Not many agree with me. But again, numbers do not determine truth.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Does Isaiah 9:6 come from the Bible?

Does Isaiah 9:6 come from the Catholic church?

What do you think it means when it says "his name shall be called?"

 

[covenantee]

What do you think it means when it says "his name shall be called?"

He shall be called what He is.

What else?

 

[covenantee]

Have you never heard of the Nicene Creed, 19 June 325?

Have you never heard of the more than 300 years of ECFs prior to the Council of Nicaea who declared the Divinity of Christ?

 

[WPM]

No, I don't. The Divinity of Jesus did not come from the Bible; it came from the Catholic Church. The Apostles taught that Jesus is the image of God, the exegesis of God, the revelation of God, the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature. But Jesus was a man, not a divinity.

This is heresy!

 

[covenantee]

This is heresy!

Utter and absolute.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, I don't. The Divinity of Jesus did not come from the Bible; it came from the Catholic Church. The Apostles taught that Jesus is the image of God, the exegesis of God, the revelation of God, the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature. But Jesus was a man, not a divinity.

I can't fathom how someone who calls himself a Christian could deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Scripture repeatedly teaches that Jesus is God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Colossians 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus is God. You need to acknowledge this.

 

[WPM]

I can't fathom how someone who calls himself a Christian could deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Scripture repeatedly teaches that Jesus is God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Colossians 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus is God. You need to acknowledge this.

Irrefutable! Absolutely irrefutable! How can you argue against the Word?

 

[CadyandZoe]

He shall be called what He is.

What else?

Look again, it doesn't say "he shall be called"; rather it says, "his name shall be called." In the Bible, a person's "name" is his role, status, quality or characteristic. A child will be born and that child will grow up to rule. The government will rest on his shoulders. That isn't who he is, that is what he does. His name, his role will be "wonderful counselor" his name, his role will be "mighty God," his name, his role will be "Eternal Father", his name, his role will be "Prince of peace."

Isaiah is not saying, as you suppose, "the child will be the Eternal Father". Rather Isaiah is saying that the child will rule his government as one appointed and authorize to act for the Eternal Father.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Look again, it doesn't say "he shall be called"; rather it says, "his name shall be called." In the Bible, a person's "name" is his role, status, quality or characteristic. A child will be born and that child will grow up to rule. The government will rest on his shoulders. That isn't who he is, that is what he does. His name, his role will be "wonderful counselor" his name, his role will be "mighty God," his name, his role will be "Eternal Father", his name, his role will be "Prince of peace."

Isaiah is not saying, as you suppose, "the child will be the Eternal Father". Rather Isaiah is saying that the child will rule his government as one appointed and authorize to act for the Eternal Father.

You are deceived. I will pray that the Father will convict you of your sin of denying His Son's deity.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What do you think it means when it says "his name shall be called?"

He's not going to be called something He is not. He is the mighty God as the scripture says! Repent of this shameful denial of the deity of the Lord God Jesus Christ!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not many agree with me. But again, numbers do not determine truth.

The truth is right there in scripture plain as day.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Have you never heard of the more than 300 years of ECFs prior to the Council of Nicaea who declared the Divinity of Christ?

None of that matters. Orthodoxy is doctrine with an army. Not all of the ECF's believed in the divinity of Christ. Christians were free to disagree on that point until the Catholic Church declared non-trinitarians anathema and put them to death. Do you actually believe that precedence carries any weight when it is enforced by the sword? I don't.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

WPM changed the subject to avoid the point.

No, he exposed the inconsistency in what you were saying. And now you're embarrassed for contradicting yourself.

 

[CadyandZoe]

He's not going to be called something He is not. He is the mighty God as the scripture says! Repent of this shameful denial of the deity of the Lord God Jesus Christ!

Isaiah isn't saying what you say he is saying. He isn't saying, as you suppose, that the Child IS the almighty God. Isaiah is not telling us what he is, he is telling us what he does.