Millennialism proven by that man of sin

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm not writing what I believe for your sake.

All I look for from you, is something new from your teaching to respond to.

All I ask for from you is to stop misrepresenting what Amillennialists believe, but it looks like that is too much to ask from you for some reason.

You say the day of His second coming is the day of fire from God.

Since the only thing coming down in that day of curning, is fire from God, then you make Jesus Christ that fire from God coming down to melt the earth.

Don't tell me what I believe. I'll tell you what I believe. I don't believe Jesus Himself is the fire that will come down. I believe He will send it down.

The day of the Lord in prophecy of OT and NT is three events: First Jesus Christ coming in the flesh, Second is Jesus Christ coming with power, and thirdly with fire of God coming down.

Simple.

Simple nonsense. Is that what you see portrayed in passages like 1 Thess 4:14-5:6 and 2 Peter 3:3-13 that talk about the day of the Lord? I sure don't.

If you say there is only one event of the day of the Lord, then you at least reject Peter in Acts 2, confirming the day of the Lord prophesied by Joel, is Jesus Christ first coming in the flesh.

Since there are two events of the day of the Lord, then there can also be three.

Peter talked about "the last days" there and they began on Pentecost. Where did he indicate that the day of the Lord started then? If you read passages like 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, you can see that the day of the Lord involves an actual 24 hour day and not 3 completely separate things like you are trying to turn it into.

Since only the fire of God is mentioned in the day of the Lord by Peter and Rev 20, then saying that is Jesus' second coming, is saying He must be that fire coming down from God.

Where do you come up with this nonsense? No one is saying that Jesus Himself is the fire that comes down. He will send it down when He comes.

In that great and final day of the Lord, there will only be fire from God out of heaven, to burn up all elements of the old heavens and earth.

The Lord will not be in the air of the earth with His saints watching it. The Lord and His saints will be in heaven, awaiting the resurrection of the rest of the dead.

Why do both Paul and Peter warn their readers about being spiritually ready for the day of the Lord in terms of avoiding the destruction that will accompany it if it's not possible that the detruction they describe can happen in the lifetimes of their readers?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Which you add to teach your own opinion.

I have no such understanding, as many others do not.

You don't stick to only what is written, but obviously add your own opinion.

Do you even think before you post? I was saying that Revelation 19:17-18 only applies to unbelievers and you're disagreeing with me? I can't imagine that you would think it's talking about any believers being destroyed there. This must be another example of your poor reading comprehension skills.

If your not making it all symbolic fable anyway.

Such as the fowls eating their flesh, and not being cooked with frie from God out of heaven.

For something to be described symbolically doesn't make it a fable. You understand that, right? If you think it will be fowls literally eating flesh then do you think Jesus will be killing people with a literal sword coming out of His mouth as well?

 

[WPM]

2 Peter 3 is not Rev 19, but is Rev 20:7-9, after Christ's reign on earth.

You keep making this claim yet fail to provide hard Scripture that locates Jesus on the earth during the Millennium.

 

[WPM]

The brightness of His coming as the shining of lightning.

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

The brightness of His coming was seen by John, and he was not burned by it, but it will burn them that hate Him.

The brightness of His coming is not the fire of God come down from heaven, to burn and melt all elements of the old heaven and earth.


No flash, but shine:

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

Every eye will have plenty of time to see Him coming again upon the earth, and He will be brightly shining as He goes.

Only when we are receiving our teaching of Scripture, from the literal words of Scripture written, will we have the true doctrine of Scripture.

Otherwise, we read Scripture sloppily, in order to read our own teaching into it.

The speed of His coming is as an unexpected suddenness of a flood in a day, and the brightness of His coming is as lightning shine, not lightning fast.

The destruction of His coming is not complete as the flood of Noah, nor is it fire from God out of heaven.

His appearing will be unexpected as a thief in the night, and will be birghtly shining over from east to west.

He will destroy the armies at Armageddon with His brightness, but give grace to the land and Jerusalem by that same brightness.

He will then stand upon Olivet, then sit upon His glorious throne in Jerusalem, then roar out of Zion, then judge the people left alive as sheep to enter into His reign on earth, and execute the goats to join the armies in hell.

Simple.

Read what the inspired text says and you will discover that the destruction is wholesale, sudden and none escape. This ushers in the glorified state not some rerun of our age blighted with all the corruption we deal with now.

 

[robert derrick]

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

False.

Satan does not tempt any man, nor need to be resisted, while shut up in the pit.

He is still prince and power of the air.

 

[robert derrick]

Can anyone help ??
I cannot create the first message.
Yours faithfully.

Hit reply, or just post what you believe about it.

 

[robert derrick]

Don't tell me what I believe. I'll tell you what I believe. I don't believe Jesus Himself is the fire that will come down. I believe He will send it down.

Good distinction.

And since that fire of God is sent by Jesus from heaven, then the Lord cannot be in the air watching it, as some of your fellow teachers say.

Simple nonsense. Is that what you see portrayed in passages like 1 Thess 4:14-5:6 and 2 Peter 3:3-13 that talk about the day of the Lord? I sure don't.

His second coming is 1 Thess 4, and 2 Thess 2. His sending fire on earth at the end of His reign is 2 Peter 3.

Peter talked about "the last days" there and they began on Pentecost.

True. Paul and John confirm it.

Where did he indicate that the day of the Lord started then?

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:

and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

When fire comes down from heaven, there are none that shall be saved in that day.

If you read passages like 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, you can see that the day of the Lord involves an actual 24 hour day and not 3 completely separate things like you are trying to turn it into.

Not separate, just different.

And the great and notable day of the Lord's first coming was one day at birth, and one day at death, and many days in tthe flesh between.

Where do you come up with this nonsense? No one is saying that Jesus Himself is the fire that comes down. He will send it down when He comes.

False. The first is sent from heaven. It is the only thing coming down at that time.

Why do both Paul and Peter warn their readers about being spiritually ready for the day of the Lord in terms of avoiding the destruction that will accompany it if it's not possible that the detruction they describe can happen in the lifetimes of their readers?

The destruction is for the unwatchful Christians, that will not be in the resurrection of the church, to meet Him in the air.

 

[robert derrick]

Do you even think before you post? I was saying that Revelation 19:17-18 only applies to unbelievers and you're disagreeing with me? I can't imagine that you would think it's talking about any believers being destroyed there. This must be another example of your poor reading comprehension skills.

Once again. I don't think it is possible for you to accurately report what others say. Whether on purpose, or simple blindness to anything you don't agree with.

It only applies to all them gathered for war at Armageddon, and none of them are believers, but unlike other unbelievers on earth, are active enemies that hate the Lord and His saints.

For something to be described symbolically doesn't make it a fable. You understand that, right? If you think it will be fowls literally eating flesh then do you think Jesus will be killing people with a literal sword coming out of His mouth as well?

And so, you show how to make an event symbolic, because there are symbolic tools used in it.

You also make fun of Scripture revealing the event, by picturing Jesus running around with a sword sticking out of His mouth.

Of course all the fowls on earth will be gathered into one place, to eat all the slain armies at Armageddon.

Who doubts the Lord can do that? That's very easy for Him to do, that made the sun stand still at the word of a man, and the Red Sea to part with a man raising a staff.

He could do that while a man on earth, where even the winds and waves obeyed Him.

You see, you do make fables, when you do make real events into symbol only.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Obviously since the days of Peter, symbolizers have been make fables out of the powerful coming of the Lord, as well as making fun of the details.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.

When real events of prophecy are made into symbol only, then nothing is sure about prophecy of Scripture, since it all can be made into mere symbolic fables, that have nothing to do with real events on earth.

Saying the Lord's coming reign on earth is symbol only, is exactly the same as saying the sun standing still, and the Red Sea parting, was symbol only: words of physical meaning were used all three times.

Teaching spiritual truths of Scripture, is no license for symbolizing Scripture away from revealed events on earth.

 

[robert derrick]

You keep making this claim yet fail to provide hard Scripture that locates Jesus on the earth during the Millennium.

Every time I do, you make it spiritual symbolism only.

I no longer bother. There is no point in trying to argue with someone that removes any hint of a real event, byu personal fiat.

 

[WPM]

Every time I do, you make it spiritual symbolism only.

I no longer bother. There is no point in trying to argue with someone that removes any hint of a real event, byu personal fiat.

You don't because you have not. Why can you not be honest? If you had hard evidence you would have presented it by now.

 

[WPM]

Once again. I don't think it is possible for you to accurately report what others say. Whether on purpose, or simple blindness to anything you don't agree with.

It only applies to all them gathered for war at Armageddon, and none of them are believers, but unlike other unbelievers on earth, are active enemies that hate the Lord and His saints.


And so, you show how to make an event symbolic, because there are symbolic tools used in it.

You also make fun of Scripture revealing the event, by picturing Jesus running around with a sword sticking out of His mouth.

Of course all the fowls on earth will be gathered into one place, to eat all the slain armies at Armageddon.

Who doubts the Lord can do that? That's very easy for Him to do, that made the sun stand still at the word of a man, and the Red Sea to part with a man raising a staff.

He could do that while a man on earth, where even the winds and waves obeyed Him.

You see, you do make fables, when you do make real events into symbol only.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Obviously since the days of Peter, symbolizers have been make fables out of the powerful coming of the Lord, as well as making fun of the details.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.

When real events of prophecy are made into symbol only, then nothing is sure about prophecy of Scripture, since it all can be made into mere symbolic fables, that have nothing to do with real events on earth.

Saying the Lord's coming reign on earth is symbol only, is exactly the same as saying the sun standing still, and the Red Sea parting, was symbol only: words of physical meaning were used all three times.

Teaching spiritual truths of Scripture, is no license for symbolizing Scripture away from revealed events on earth.

You invent 3 groups of humans when Scripture only recognizes 2 from the beginning. Men are either saved or lost, caught up or caught on when Jesus appears. Your teachers have misled you.

 

[ewq1938]

And since that fire of God is sent by Jesus from heaven, then the Lord cannot be in the air watching it, as some of your fellow teachers say.

Jesus would be in Jerusalem, not in heaven or in the air.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

When John describes "God" doing something, he speaks of God the Father.

While Jesus is Divine and part of the Trinity and thus is God, often biblical writes use other terms for Jesus to distinguish whom they are speaking about.

Rev_1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev_1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Here God is someone else, not Jesus. It is God the Father but shortened down to just God.


Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Here Jesus makes the saints kings and priests unto God and his (Jesus') Father, again making a clear distinction between the two members of the Trinity.

Rev_2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

Again Jesus is the Son of God, the Father. When John writes about "God" he is speaking of God the Father not God the Son or God the Holy Spirit.

Rev_3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Even Jesus makes the same distinction. Here, "God" is the Father of Jesus.

Rev_14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev_21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Rev_22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Rev_22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:


Here are more clear examples of God being someone other than Jesus. This does not mean Jesus is not God ie: part of the Trinity. It is simply a way to speak of each of the two members without confusing them.


Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


This is speaking of God the Father, not God the Son. At this time Jesus is in Jerusalem and has been since the start of the thousand years while God (his Father) remained in heaven and is in heaven to rain down this fire.

 

[robert derrick]

For something to be described symbolically doesn't make it a fable. You understand that, right?

Here is the main problem: Scripture plainly says and shows what is symbolic, allegory, and parable.

When men choose to 'describe' Scripture as symbol only, is when men change Scripture into fable only.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Peter had to refute those making the power and coming of the Lord Jesus into fable only, and it's the same today.

Any child knows what is symbolic in Scripture, when Scripture speaks symbolically.

There is no describing nor figuring out what is symbolic in Scripture.

Understanding what the symbol means is the only mystery, not whether Scripture is being symbolic or not.

Ex:

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations.

The sword in Scripture is plainly said to be the sharp and quick word of God, Who creates and destroys by His word alone.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Not symbol, but authority of God over the winds, seas, and fowls of the air.

Simple.

The only hard thing is men trying to keep making up symbols out of real events revealed by Scripture, in order to teach their own imagination, as though it were Scripture.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

By making symbol out of scripture, where no symbol is spoken of, men seek to take away from God His power to do all things by His word, and make His words only more myths of men with some good principles and teaching points.

The one difference between the Bible and the myths of men, is that the events revealed in the Bible are real, and not just descriptive myths of men only.

 

[robert derrick]

You keep making this claim yet fail to provide hard Scripture that locates Jesus on the earth during the Millennium.

Scripture isn't hard, but easy. You just read it and believe it.

It's easy to see a symbol when Scripture uses one.

It's hard to see a symbol when it's not there, because that takes purposed effort to find one.

It's called working up a mental sweat, to wrestle Scripture into something it's not plainly saying.

Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech.

 

[robert derrick]

You don't because you have not. Why can you not be honest? If you had hard evidence you would have presented it by now.

Already have ad nauseum.

Unless you have something new to respond to, then we're winding down.

 

[robert derrick]

You invent 3 groups of humans when Scripture only recognizes 2 from the beginning. Men are either saved or lost, caught up or caught on when Jesus appears. Your teachers have misled you.

The only teacher I have is Scripture and the Spirit of truth.

Any others that offer sound argument of Scripture, including good correction, then they become my teachers to.

And then there are teachers like yourself, that show me how not to read and teach the Scriptures.

I learn much from you, by the necessity of being more sure of Scripture, in order to correct your errors.

For instance, I could now write a book chapter on the error of symbolizing Scripture away from literal truth and events. It also would include how such symbolizers also don't understand how to even take the words in Scripture literally.

Ex: Scripture says the Lord will rule them remaining of the smitten nations. As well as speaking plainly of them that are left alive following His warfare at Armageddon and Jerusalem.

'Them' is completely ignored by you, as even being a meaningful word at all.

It's like such words are blind to you, because of the vail of your own teaching covers your eyes from even seeing them when reading the Scripture. It's like they don't even exist to you.

It's the same way that Jesus as Christ and Lord and God, does not even register with the unbelieving Jews, that still read the OT with the veil of Moses on their faces. All they see is Moses, and not Jesus Christ.

Likewise, all you see is the spiritual reigingi of Christ today, and not His physical reign tomorrow.

That's why there can be no serious dispute of scripture with you, because you either make them symbol only, or you don't even acknowledge certain words themselves.

There is absolutely no way for any reader of Scripture, to believe the second coming of the Lord is the fire from God melting all things, and dismiss 'them' that are left for the Lord to rule over, and to keep the yearly feast of tabernacles with the Lord Himself on earth.

Not if someone is reading and acknowledge every word written in Scripture prophesying the day of the Lord.

And this instruction in rightly dividing the word of truth, that I am giving you, you will also be blind to. But no matter, at times like this, I just like writing it for my own sake, if no one else.

You see, the difference between me and you, is that I don't get personal about these things. I could be writing on a wall, and it would be the same to me. Whether someone else agrees or not is only of secondary importance to me.

All I really care about is sound doctrine and/or correction.

You take things personal and you get personal, because you do not maintain a proper objectivity when reading others' teachings, as well as Scripture itself.

 

[Truth7t7]

False.

Satan does not tempt any man, nor need to be resisted, while shut up in the pit.

He is still prince and power of the air.

Satan is bound "Specifically" from "Deceiving The Nations To Battle" as you have been clearly shown

You distract in diversion from this fact with a suggestion of Satan "Tempting Man"

Scripture clearly states Satan is bound from "Deceive The Nations not "Temp The Nations" as you "Falsely Claim"

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[robert derrick]

This is speaking of God the Father, not God the Son. At this time Jesus is in Jerusalem and has been since the start of the thousand years while God (his Father) remained in heaven and is in heaven to rain down this fire.

If this is the fire that melts the elements of the heaven and earth, then neither the Lord nor the righteous are still anywhere in it.

They're in heaven awaiting the resurrection of the rest of the dead.

Perhaps in Rev 7:9-10

 

[Davy]

There is absolutely no way for any reader of Scripture, to believe the second coming of the Lord is the fire from God melting all things, and dismiss 'them' that are left for the Lord to rule over, and to keep the yearly feast of tabernacles with the Lord Himself on earth.

I agree per Bible Scripture with the first parts you wrote, until you got to the above.

The 2 Peter 3:10 event of God's consuming fire burning man's works off the surface of this earth IS AN EVENT TO HAPPEN ON THE DAY OF CHRIST'S FUTURE COMING.

Even Zechariah 14:12 with the "plague" reveals that future event on the "day of the Lord".

What many are not understanding about that coming event is how accurate God's consuming fire can be. It will not harm God's people. But it will end the things of this present world time. And it will burn up a specific group of Satan's host armies on that day.

For those who don't understand about God's consuming fire, you should read 2 Kings 1 about the time when troops were sent to arrest Elijah...

2 Kings 1:9-10
9 Then the king sent unto him a captain of fifty with his fifty. And he went up to him: and, behold, he sat on the top of an hill. And he spake unto him, "Thou man of God, the king hath said, Come down."

10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, "If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty." And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
KJV

God's consuming fire isn't about man's fire, nor nuclear weapons, etc. God's fire came down from Heaven and burned that troop of fifty sent to arrest Elijah with Elijah standing untouched in front of them. And that happened twice! The captain of the 3rd group of fifty sent humbled himself before God and Elijah, and they were spared.

 

[robert derrick]

I agree per Bible Scripture with the first parts you wrote, until you got to the above.

The 2 Peter 3:10 event of God's consuming fire burning man's works off the surface of this earth IS AN EVENT TO HAPPEN ON THE DAY OF CHRIST'S FUTURE COMING.

Even Zechariah 14:12 with the "plague" reveals that future event on the "day of the Lord".

That is the brightness of His coming, when His face shines as the sun in his strength, and is called as lightning shining by Jesus.

The consumption of flesh does not include bones. In 2 Peter 3, all elements of all this creation will be melted, including the earth and the bones therein.

What many are not understanding about that coming event is how accurate God's consuming fire can be.

True. I'm rethinking that Rev 20:9 is the fire that consumes all elements of this heaven and earth. It says specially that only Gog and Magog surrounding the beloved city are devoured.

It will not harm God's people. But it will end the things of this present world time. And it will burn up a specific group of Satan's host armies on that day.

Which is why it cannot be at His return before His earthly reign for a thousand years.

The day of the Lord in 2 peter 3 may be at Rev 20:9, but it cannot be the day of Christ's coming a second time to earth, spoken of by Paul, and shown in Rev 19.

God's consuming fire isn't about man's fire, nor nuclear weapons, etc. God's fire came down from Heaven and burned that troop of fifty sent to arrest Elijah with Elijah standing untouched in front of them. And that happened twice! The captain of the 3rd group of fifty sent humbled himself before God and Elijah, and they were spared.

True. The idea of nuclear war being the 'Armageddon' on earth is false.

And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

It is God who gets the glory for judging the wicked. It is His tribulation and wrath upon them, not man's upon themselves.