WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture!

[WPM]

LOL. You couldn't see a rapture if you were raptured. Please explain why Jesus says He will come again and receive us to Himself that where He is we may be also. Just like everything else, you can deny all you want. It doesn't change the truth.

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


LOL. Again.
Song of Solomon
8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.

10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.

11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;

13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

14 O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.



I told you I am not going to waste my time playing your game when you are afraid to answer any of my questions.
Where is Matthew 24 found in Revelation and What is the order of Revelation?

You are making all these wild sweeping claims without actual Scripture to prove it. Where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord? Until you prove that, all you have is personal opinions.

 

[The Light]

You are making all these wild sweeping claims without actual Scripture to prove it. Where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord? Until you prove that, all you have is personal opinions.

These verses prove that amillennialism is a crock. They won't go away. The Lord has gone to prepare a place for us. He is going to come again, that where He is we may be also. And yet the foolish virgins have no oil in their lamp to see the truth. PROVE THESE VERSES ARE INCORRECT.

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

As to the answer to your question Revelation 5. Daniel 9, Revelation 6, Revelation 14, Revelation 19.

 

[WPM]

These verses prove that amillennialism is a crock. They won't go away. The Lord has gone to prepare a place for us. He is going to come again, that where He is we may be also. And yet the foolish virgins have no oil in their lamp to see the truth. PROVE THESE VERSES ARE INCORRECT.

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

As to the answer to your question Revelation 5. Daniel 9, Revelation 6, Revelation 14, Revelation 19.

What is that place that he is preparing? It is the new Jerusalem. The new Jerusalem comes down from heaven when Jesus comes. It is going to be located on the new earth.

Read Revelation 3:

11Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

 

[The Light]

You are making all these wild sweeping claims without actual Scripture to prove it. Where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord? Until you prove that, all you have is personal opinions.

These verses prove that amillennialism is a crock. The Lord has gone to prepare a place for us. He will come again and receive us that where he is we may be also. Explain these verses away or come to the realization that you will be responsible for leading others astray.

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[David in NJ]

These verses prove that amillennialism is a crock. The Lord has gone to prepare a place for us. He will come again and receive us that where he is we may be also. Explain these verses away or come to the realization that you will be responsible for leading others astray.

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

i seem to remember that Jesus is only speaking to the Jews here = your Rachel.

Obviously this cannot apply to the Gentile Church - or does it???

What say you Brother - and Good Morning

 

[The Light]

i seem to remember that Jesus is only speaking to the Jews here = your Rachel.

Obviously this cannot apply to the Gentile Church - or does it???

What say you Brother - and Good Morning

Feel free to choose what you are comfortable with.

And good morning to you.

 

[WPM]

These verses prove that amillennialism is a crock. The Lord has gone to prepare a place for us. He will come again and receive us that where he is we may be also. Explain these verses away or come to the realization that you will be responsible for leading others astray.

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Cut and paste is all you have. You have no proof-text that teaches your theology. That is why you cannot give it. There are multiple that forbids it.

 

[David in NJ]

Feel free to choose what you are comfortable with.

And good morning to you.

My Dear Brother in Christ,
Is this the way that the Lord Jesus spoke of? = Choose you this day and be ye comfortable with whatever goes................

Here is the BETTER WAY:

"we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love."

Let the love for Truth guide you away from doctrines of men and into His Word.

Peace

 

[The Light]

Cut and paste is all you have. You have no proof-text that teaches your theology. That is why you cannot give it. There are multiple that forbids it.

Your blindness will not allow you to face the truth.

You say Jesus comes only once more and yet you can't explain away the truth. Here is Jesus returning for the 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest. Jesus comes to earth and goes back to heaven.....and you refuse to believe the truth of the scripture.

Rev 14
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 

[The Light]

What is that place that he is preparing? It is the new Jerusalem. The new Jerusalem comes down from heaven when Jesus comes. It is going to be located on the new earth.

Read Revelation 3:

11Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Where is Jesus going? Heaven. Where is the great multitude? Heaven.

Rev 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

How could anyone believe the lie of amillennialism? Blindness to the truth and abandoning sound doctrine.

 

[ewq1938]

Where is Jesus going? Heaven.

No, he is in heaven now and will be coming to the Earth. He is never shown one single time returning to heaven after the second coming.

He is going to come again, that where He is we may be also.

This places Him and us on the Earth not in heaven.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And your proof is what? Scripture says he has permission to kill the saints! You don't think he could perform a rapture of the deceived?

Well if He can there is 0 in the bible that says he can or has the authority to do so or will. You say this just out of thin air.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Lord Jesus Christ already told us what a fake rapture looks like.

i am shocked you did not know this....

Well pray tell, please enlighten us from Scripture a fake rapture.

 

[David in NJ]

Well pray tell, please enlighten us from Scripture a fake rapture.

Dear Brother in Christ,

Never overlook the seemingly mundane passages of Scripture that only come to Light as our LORD opens them up to us.

At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.
See, I have told you in advance. - Matthew ch24

So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”
And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and,
‘The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them. - Luke ch21

“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. - Matthew 24:26

Those who follow the pre-rib rapture error are in danger since = "no lie is of the truth" - 1 John 2:21

Peace to you Today

 

[ewq1938]

Well if He can there is 0 in the bible that says he can or has the authority to do so or will. You say this just out of thin air.

It says he will perform miracles to deceive.


Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

[WPM]

Your blindness will not allow you to face the truth.

You say Jesus comes only once more and yet you can't explain away the truth. Here is Jesus returning for the 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest. Jesus comes to earth and goes back to heaven.....and you refuse to believe the truth of the scripture.

Rev 14
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Blindness? I once was blind but now I see. Attacking the messenger when you have no biblical evidence is the Pretrib default. Where is your scriptural support?

Where is your rapture before Revelation 14?

 

[rockytopva]

What does the Bible say? Better we are prepared and it does not come than it comes and we are not prepared.

@Wrangler ... Good job on this!
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24:44

Anything else here is mere sea stories made up in the mind of fantastical men who think just because they spent so much time in doctrine that they have arrived. I would input also that anticipating Christ coming as soon is a key to spirituality. All of the good Pentecostal churches I go to emphasize the fact that Christ can come today.

 

[Wrangler]

@Wrangler ... Good job on this!
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24:44

Anything else here is mere sea stories made up in the mind of fantastical men who think just because they spent so much time in doctrine that they have arrived. I would input also that anticipating Christ coming as soon is a key to spirituality. All of the good Pentecostal churches I go to emphasize the fact that Christ can come today.

I find THE END TIMES focus a bit at odds with focusing on ONE’S OWN END.

For the individual, there is no difference except it is much more likely my end will come before the end. And again, how is the preparation different?

 

[The Light]

No, he is in heaven now and will be coming to the Earth. He is never shown one single time returning to heaven after the second coming.

When Jesus made the statement that He goes to prepare a place for us and will come again and receive us, that where He goes we may be also, He is on earth when this statement is made and goes to heaven. You got it all backwards.

This places Him and us on the Earth not in heaven.

Backwards. He is on earth and then goes to heaven. Where He goes (heaven) we may be also. That is why there is a great multitude before the throne. That's in heaven.

 

[The Light]

Blindness? I once was blind but now I see. Attacking the messenger when you have no biblical evidence is the Pretrib default. Where is your scriptural support?

Where is your rapture before Revelation 14?

Blindness is not attacking the messenger, it is stating FACT.

Before Revelation 14?

Revelation 5