THE TRUTH OF DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS PROPHECY

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You said: "It is Gentile believers vs Jewish believers, who are blinded in part."

Jewish believers are blinded in part??? Please explain
Israel (the nation of physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) are blinded in part.

in other words. some of them are saved (I actually know quite a few of them) and some of them remain blind (the people praying at the wailing wall, who refuse to repent and acknowledge their messiah)

If God is done with Israel. there is no need in saying their is a remnant.. remnant of what?
 
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Israel (the nation of physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) are blinded in part.

in other words. some of them are saved (I actually know quite a few of them) and some of them remind blind (the people praying at the wailing wall, who refuse to repent and acknowledge their messiah)

If God is done with Israel. there is no need in saying their is a remnant.. remnant of what?
Are the blinded Jews still believers?
 
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Are the blinded Jews still believers?
no, they are lost

think of the OT, when the prophet said there was not left. And God said I have kept 7000 whgo have not bowed to baal. God always promised a remnant.

they are of the ones Paul said are our enemies concerning the gospel. but beloved concerning the election. for the gifts of God are irrevocable (rom 11)

You do not need to keep a remnant, unless you plan on reserving the bloodline. and you only do that if you have a plan for that bloodline..
 

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no, they are lost

think of the OT, when the prophet said there was not left. And God said I have kept 7000 whgo have not bowed to baal. God always promised a remnant.

they are of the ones Paul said are our enemies concerning the gospel. but beloved concerning the election. for the gifts of God are irrevocable (rom 11)

You do not need to keep a remnant, unless you plan on reserving the bloodline. and you only do that if you have a plan for that bloodline..
We know, according to the words of Christ, the OT Prophets and the Apostles that only a remnant of Jews have been preserved by God.

What about the Gentiles? What does God say of them in Romans chapters 9 thru 11..........
 

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We know, according to the words of Christ, the OT Prophets and the Apostles that only a remnant of Jews have been preserved by God.

What about the Gentiles? What does God say of them in Romans chapters 9 thru 11..........
what about the gentiles?

They are the unnatural branch

they have been grafted in

they will have a fullness of time

if we read the OT prophets. we are told they will serve the king in their own nations. and will come once a year to serve the king.

remember, this is not about salvation. its about Gods promise to a nation. It has always been Gods plan that he would serve the world (jew and gentile) through his promised nation (Israel)
 

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what about the gentiles?

They are the unnatural branch

they have been grafted in

they will have a fullness of time

if we read the OT prophets. we are told they will serve the king in their own nations. and will come once a year to serve the king.

remember, this is not about salvation. its about Gods promise to a nation. It has always been Gods plan that he would serve the world (jew and gentile) through his promised nation (Israel)
Clarification - My question only pertains to the Gentiles spoken of in Romans chapters 9-11

Believing Gentiles are the wild Olive tree that is grafted in to the natural Olive tree.

Do you believe this?
 

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Clarification - My question only pertains to the Gentiles spoken of in Romans chapters 9-11

Believing Gentiles are the wild Olive tree that is grafted in to the natural Olive tree.

Do you believe this?
yes,

24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

I am not sure what point your trying to make..
 

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Baptism In (Jesus Name Only) & (Latter Rain) = "Oneness Pentecostalism" It's That Simple

You can deny it all you want, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, is it a horse, big smiles!

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Dear Truth7t7,
Yes, I will deny it because what I am saying is true. You are trying to fit me and my beliefs into a box so that you can discard what I teach.

To believe as you do, you are missing the truth of scripture which teaches on the Pathway to Salvation. The core of this pathway is the Early and Latter Rain.

The reason a believer can't "see" this pathway is because they are spiritually blind and are not rightly dividing the Word.

Consider the Nation of Israel:

The Nation of Israel was "called out" from the world to be a separate people. When they were called out, the Red Sea baptism represented the "Early Rain" for them (in "type").

When an unbeliever becomes a Christian, they, too, are "called out from the world". When they are, Christ gives them the Early Rain of the Spirit. And like the Jewish Nation, the called out believer will likewise "fall away" and will wander in the wilderness for 40 years. In the wilderness, the new believer will fall from Grace and come under Law.

Note: During the 40 years of wandering in the wilderness, Joshua and Caleb are the only ones who live through their time in the wilderness (their "days are shortened") so that they can cross the Jordan River (represents the Latter Rain) and enter the Promised Land (Salvation). All the others who entered the wilderness, died before the Nation reached the Promise Land. This story applies to the church. Many are called out but only a few are chosen to enter the Promised Land (Mat 22:14). The few are represented by Joshua and Caleb who represent the Elect.

By the time Christ came in the flesh to the Nation of Israel, the nation was fully under the influence of Satan and was following his ways. This "fallen away" spiritual state was a "type" for what the church is presently experiencing.

When Christ came to the Jews, He sent John the Baptist in the spirit of Elijah to them first. John made the call for them to repent of their works so that Christ's pathway to them would be made "straight".

This 'call" is repeated for the fallen away church.

For the church, Christ will send one of His converted Elect (His "witnesses") in the spirit of Elijah to make the call of repentance.

James explained in here:

Jam 5:17 Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain (the Latter Rain), and the earth brought forth her fruit. 19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save their soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

The call of Elijah to the church is also presented in this verse:

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

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Mat 11:14 “And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

At this time, (if you are willing to receive it) I am coming to you and the others on the forum in the spirit of Elijah with the call to repent. This is the work the Lord has given me to do. This is why I am on the forum.

Back in 2008, my wife prophesied these words from Christ concerning me:

I am with you. I hear your prayers. You will know my Word when you are able to receive it. I am preparing you for my work. You have much to learn about yourself. You will show others my way. I will prepare you for the work I give you. I am doing my work in you. I am the Lord.
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For the Nation of Israel, most Jews did not respond to the call of John the Baptist. And of those who did respond to the call, many of them eventually "turned back". Those who remained faithful to John's call to repent, where the 120 Jewish Elect who waited for Christ to "come again" in the upper room. Christ came back to them on the Day of Pentecost and when He did, He poured out the Latter Rain of the Spirit upon them. For the 120 Jewish Elect, this was their day of salvation and conversion.

This pattern of the Pathway to Salvation is repeated for the church.

To enter the church, Christ comes to an unbeliever and gives them the Early Rain. They quickly fall away (like the Jews did) and remain under the Law (they fall from Grace). If the believer is "not chosen", they will die in the wilderness without ever being able to enter the Promised Land. If they are "chosen", their days as a fallen away believer (a Man of Sin) will be shortened so that they are still alive when Christ "comes again" to them (His second coming). When Christ comes to them a second time, He will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit upon them, just as He did for the 120 Jewish Elect. This is the salvation point and when they enter the Promised Land. Judgment will then will begin for the Elect believer. This judgment was typed by the Nation of Israel fighting the "giants in the land". After the giants are defeated, the carnality of an Elect believer will be destroyed. They will then be a fully converted and spiritually matured son of God.

Since the church is spiritually blind after being "called out", they do not understand this Pathway to Salvation. The church believes that when they were "called out", they received the Baptism of the Spirit (the Latter Rain) - the one the Apostles received on the Day of Pentecost. However, this belief is false. When they were "called out", they only received the Early Rain (the down payment). The Early Rain of the Spirit is NOT the "one baptism" Paul refers to in Eph 4:5.

Then, under Satan's deceptions, the church starts dwelling in "peace and safety" believing that they are saved when they are not. For that reason, when Christ come back, Christ finds everyone in the church dwelling in darkness. In this age, Christ only comes back to His Elect. For the non-chosen church, He will come to them upon their resurrection from the grave. At that time, He will say to them "I never knew you" and cast them in the Lake of Fire for judgment - judgment which will eventually purify them so that they too will be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

When Christ comes to His Elect in this age, He comes to them as a "thief in the night" because the Elect (like the non-chosen church) are dwelling in darkness under Satan's deceptions.

Paul said this:

1Thes 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

FYI, the "woman" who is travailing with birth pains is the "freewoman" (Gal 4:22-31) who is about to give birth to a new child of God. This is part of the birthing analogy.

This parable which is part of the marriage analogy also applies:

Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in flasks (represents the Latter Rain) with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept (represents spiritual darkness and death). 6 And at midnight (the deepest part of their time of darkness, Man of Sin) there was a cry made, Behold, the Bride- groom cometh; go ye out to meet him (the call of Elijah to repent). 7 Then all those virgins (the church) arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish (the non-chosen) said unto the wise, give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy (they turned back from Elijah's call to repent), the bridegroom came; and they that were ready (made ready by the extra Oil: the Latter Rain) went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.:

Does any of what I have presented above make any sense to you?

Joe
 

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One must be careful here. When Paul says, "the flesh counts for nothing," he is speaking of the flesh acting independently from Christ. It cannot accomplish anything when doing something disconnected from Christ. No virtue will flow through independent human works.

That's all it's saying. It's not saying that physical characteristics, such as being Jewish, have no value under the Law. Paul completely explodes that idea by saying...

Rom 3.1 What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? 2 Much in every way!

Nowhere are we told that "all mankind will become spiritual Jews."

That is not the definition of "endtime prophecy." It can be said, legitimately, that the endtimes in a sense began with Christ's 1st Coming. But normally, what we mean by endtime prophecy today is intended to refer to the last days in which Antichrist is revealed and Christ comes back a 2nd time at Armageddon. Dan 9 said nothing whatsoever about that.

Dear Randy Kluth,
I will just make a short reply but with many verses of scripture.

The "flesh counts for nothing" because the "works" of the flesh cannot save a person. Only the works of Christ will save us.

Also, all mankind will become spiritual Jews because Christ will save all mankind. And to be saved, one must be a spiritual Jew.

Do you not believe these verses below?

Mat 21:31 Which of the two was obeying his father?" They replied, "The first, of course." Then Jesus explained his meaning: "I assure you, corrupt tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the Kingdom of God before you do.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


Even the Jews who crucified Christ will be saved. Their salvation was never in doubt. However, they will not be saved as a First-Fruit of the harvest nor will they receive the blessing of having "life during the ages".

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

Their salvation will come last, after all the Gentiles have been saved.

Luke 3:4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth; 6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.


John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Rom 5:15 But shall not the act of favour be as the offence? For if by the offence of one the many have died, much rather has the grace of God, and the free gift in grace, which is by the one man Jesus Christ, abounded unto the many.


Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

1Cor 13:8 Love never fails;

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.


Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

1Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order:
Christ the first-fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delievered up the kingdom to God even the Father; when he shall put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

As this last scripture above says, all who die "in Adam" (that's all mankind) is the same all who will be made alive "in Christ". But there is an "order" to mankind's salvation: Christ is first, the Elect are second (at His coming with the Latter Rain) and everyone else is last (at the consummation).

Only with the salvation of all mankind will God be "all in all".

To believe that Christ cannot save the world requires a person to have a "works' based belief system. That system requires mankind to provide at least some "works" to receive salvation.

A believer who has this belief system thinks that because a lost person doesn't provide the necessary "works", they are worthy of being burned in fire for all eternity. With this works based belief system, a believer would have something to boast about concerning their own salvation. They must believe that they were somehow smarter, wiser or just less evil than those who rejected Christ. Evidently, Christ just wasn't power enough to overcome their supposed "free will" of rejecting Him. But of course, that belief is not true:

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

The only reason all mankind is going to be saved is because it is the "will" of God for it to happen. Mankind's "will" plays no part in it and as a result, mankind has nothing to boast about concerning their salvation.


Joe
 

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yes,

24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

I am not sure what point your trying to make..

What tree are the Gentiles grafted into?
 

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Christ, just like the jews are grafted into christ.

What about these Jews who say 'Blessed is He who comes....the Lord"

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

Where do they get placed?
 

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What about these Jews who say 'Blessed is He who comes....the Lord"

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

Where do they get placed?
Jews were being saved as Jesus said this. We know of at least 11 apostles who were saved. So jesus is not talking about eternal salvation here..

Romans 11 says that all isreal will say this and be saved.. as a nation.. not only eternally. But according to Gods promise.

remember, God is not talking about induviduals here. But a city and a nation..
 

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Brother please do not believe the lie That God does not keep his covenants and promises he has personally made himself. God said I give you this land forever. When he says forever. He means it. If God will not keep his promise to them, there is NOTHING to say God will keep his promise to us. Which he also called eternal. If this is true. We have no hope.

"Promised Land Inheritence" Will Be Fulfilled In The New Heaven, And Earth​


The Eternal Kingdom is seen in Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 regarding the division of land for inheritance in the "New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem"

"The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth" Where The New Jerusalem, And The River/Tree Of Life Are Present


Revelation 22:1-2KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Ezekiel 47:12-14KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
13 Thus saith the Lord God; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions.
14 And ye shall inherit it, one as well as another: concerning the which I lifted up mine hand to give it unto your fathers: and this land shall fall unto you for inheritance.

"The Eternal New Jerusalem"


Ezekiel 48:29-35KJV
29 This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord God.
30 And these are the goings out of the city on the north side, four thousand and five hundred measures.
31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi.

"The Eternal New Jerusalem"

Revelation 21:10-12KJV
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
 
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Dear Truth7t7,
Yes, I will deny it because what I am saying is true. You are trying to fit me and my beliefs into a box so that you can discard what I teach.

To believe as you do, you are missing the truth of scripture which teaches on the Pathway to Salvation. The core of this pathway is the Early and Latter Rain.

The reason a believer can't "see" this pathway is because they are spiritually blind and are not rightly dividing the Word.

Consider the Nation of Israel:

The Nation of Israel was "called out" from the world to be a separate people. When they were called out, the Red Sea baptism represented the "Early Rain" for them (in "type").

When an unbeliever becomes a Christian, they, too, are "called out from the world". When they are, Christ gives them the Early Rain of the Spirit. And like the Jewish Nation, the called out believer will likewise "fall away" and will wander in the wilderness for 40 years. In the wilderness, the new believer will fall from Grace and come under Law.

Note: During the 40 years of wandering in the wilderness, Joshua and Caleb are the only ones who live through their time in the wilderness (their "days are shortened") so that they can cross the Jordan River (represents the Latter Rain) and enter the Promised Land (Salvation). All the others who entered the wilderness, died before the Nation reached the Promise Land. This story applies to the church. Many are called out but only a few are chosen to enter the Promised Land (Mat 22:14). The few are represented by Joshua and Caleb who represent the Elect.

By the time Christ came in the flesh to the Nation of Israel, the nation was fully under the influence of Satan and was following his ways. This "fallen away" spiritual state was a "type" for what the church is presently experiencing.

When Christ came to the Jews, He sent John the Baptist in the spirit of Elijah to them first. John made the call for them to repent of their works so that Christ's pathway to them would be made "straight".

This 'call" is repeated for the fallen away church.

For the church, Christ will send one of His converted Elect (His "witnesses") in the spirit of Elijah to make the call of repentance.

James explained in here:

Jam 5:17 Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain (the Latter Rain), and the earth brought forth her fruit. 19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save their soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

The call of Elijah to the church is also presented in this verse:

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

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Mat 11:14 “And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

At this time, (if you are willing to receive it) I am coming to you and the others on the forum in the spirit of Elijah with the call to repent. This is the work the Lord has given me to do. This is why I am on the forum.

Back in 2008, my wife prophesied these words from Christ concerning me:

I am with you. I hear your prayers. You will know my Word when you are able to receive it. I am preparing you for my work. You have much to learn about yourself. You will show others my way. I will prepare you for the work I give you. I am doing my work in you. I am the Lord.
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For the Nation of Israel, most Jews did not respond to the call of John the Baptist. And of those who did respond to the call, many of them eventually "turned back". Those who remained faithful to John's call to repent, where the 120 Jewish Elect who waited for Christ to "come again" in the upper room. Christ came back to them on the Day of Pentecost and when He did, He poured out the Latter Rain of the Spirit upon them. For the 120 Jewish Elect, this was their day of salvation and conversion.

This pattern of the Pathway to Salvation is repeated for the church.

To enter the church, Christ comes to an unbeliever and gives them the Early Rain. They quickly fall away (like the Jews did) and remain under the Law (they fall from Grace). If the believer is "not chosen", they will die in the wilderness without ever being able to enter the Promised Land. If they are "chosen", their days as a fallen away believer (a Man of Sin) will be shortened so that they are still alive when Christ "comes again" to them (His second coming). When Christ comes to them a second time, He will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit upon them, just as He did for the 120 Jewish Elect. This is the salvation point and when they enter the Promised Land. Judgment will then will begin for the Elect believer. This judgment was typed by the Nation of Israel fighting the "giants in the land". After the giants are defeated, the carnality of an Elect believer will be destroyed. They will then be a fully converted and spiritually matured son of God.

Since the church is spiritually blind after being "called out", they do not understand this Pathway to Salvation. The church believes that when they were "called out", they received the Baptism of the Spirit (the Latter Rain) - the one the Apostles received on the Day of Pentecost. However, this belief is false. When they were "called out", they only received the Early Rain (the down payment). The Early Rain of the Spirit is NOT the "one baptism" Paul refers to in Eph 4:5.

Then, under Satan's deceptions, the church starts dwelling in "peace and safety" believing that they are saved when they are not. For that reason, when Christ come back, Christ finds everyone in the church dwelling in darkness. In this age, Christ only comes back to His Elect. For the non-chosen church, He will come to them upon their resurrection from the grave. At that time, He will say to them "I never knew you" and cast them in the Lake of Fire for judgment - judgment which will eventually purify them so that they too will be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

When Christ comes to His Elect in this age, He comes to them as a "thief in the night" because the Elect (like the non-chosen church) are dwelling in darkness under Satan's deceptions.

Paul said this:

1Thes 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

FYI, the "woman" who is travailing with birth pains is the "freewoman" (Gal 4:22-31) who is about to give birth to a new child of God. This is part of the birthing analogy.

This parable which is part of the marriage analogy also applies:

Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in flasks (represents the Latter Rain) with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept (represents spiritual darkness and death). 6 And at midnight (the deepest part of their time of darkness, Man of Sin) there was a cry made, Behold, the Bride- groom cometh; go ye out to meet him (the call of Elijah to repent). 7 Then all those virgins (the church) arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish (the non-chosen) said unto the wise, give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy (they turned back from Elijah's call to repent), the bridegroom came; and they that were ready (made ready by the extra Oil: the Latter Rain) went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.:

Does any of what I have presented above make any sense to you?

Joe
Baptism In (Jesus Name Only) & (Latter Rain) = "Oneness Pentecostalism" It's That Simple

Joe You can deny it all you want, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, is it a horse, big smiles!

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Exodus 21:6
Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

Has "for ever" ended in Exodus 21:6?
Yes, i noticed that the phrase 'forever' pops up often in OT and we have to distinguish between 'forever' under the OT and then 'forever' under the NT.

Then there is the 'forever' that continues from the Prophets into Christ and FOREVER.
 
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Are the blinded Jews still believers?
They aint reading that bible very well . notice what paul said , GOD is not done with His people
cause I am a jew . YEAH and paul was LED TO CHRIST . But any jew who believes not on CHRIST
is blind and is not saved and will face the wrath of GOD .
Some people need to learn CHRIST and not doctrines of men
Some need to learn the scrips for themselves instead of letting men twist them away .
JESUS himself TOLD the unbelieving jews THEY WOULD DIE in their SIN if they BELIEVE NOT that i am HE .
HE also told the unbeliving jews who tried to CLAIM GOD as their FATHER
YE are of your FATHER the DEVIL . He also told the unrepent jews in certain towns
IT WILL BE WORSE FOR YOU than even SODOM on the day of judgment .
Its odd that these folks can cliam they KNOW WHO JESUS IS
and yet THE JESUS never gave the opinions that these preach about HIM or HIS salvation .
IF a jew dont BELIEVE IN CHRIST , just like a gentile , JOHN , a jew , SAID THEY MAKE GOD A LIAR
and even say they are of ANTI CHRIST . THERE IS BUT ONE WAY TO GOD
for ALL OF MANKIND and it matters not what one was born since the flesh profits nothing .
ONE WAY . ONE WAY for the jews and ONE WAY for the gentiles . BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST or prepare to wail .
 

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Yes, i noticed that the phrase 'forever' pops up often in OT and we have to distinguish between 'forever' under the OT and then 'forever' under the NT.

Then there is the 'forever' that continues from the Prophets into Christ and FOREVER.
what we have to do is realize forever means what it means

If a slave is emboldened to a master forever. it means until his death, or never ending

The land God gave Israel still exists

The nation of Israel still exists

hence forever is still applicable in this case

This earth will not be forever. it will be destroyed and a new heaven and new earth will take its place.

So unless Israel ceases to be a nation (they are no longer blinded in part or have a remnant) or the land is no longer there. Forever still applies
 
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