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Explain what you think Luke 10:18 means as you connected this to satan as being what?
'Tophet' (Lake of Fire) is the Goddess 'Vesta'. She is the Moment of Conception.
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Gehenna is a place Jesus used to express the idea of total destruction - Historically first century hearers can relate to the place and the events which took place there. Are you forcing some supernatural place of fiery torment? Surely you are not that deluded? It's a literal place symbolic of death, grave etc etc.Ah, now I see the issue.
You changed the word 'Gehenna' into 'Grave'. That would be a grave mistake in my opinion.
No way are they the same...
According to Scripture, Spirit is Electromagnetism.
Lighting is Electromagnetism.
Thus, the Spirit of Satan fell to Earth after being thrown into the Lake of Fire.
The purpose of the Spirit being sent back here is to be conceived into a new womb.
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Com'on Quantum are you telling me that's what Luke 10:18 is teaching? You're not serious are you?
Talk to me about the story, what's just happened?
Christians sure get themselves in knots over this satan doctrine.
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Can I suggest you read Luke 10 and see how important this milestone in his ministry, not only for him, but those disciples who represented him to the masses. Who was the Lord contending with? Read contextually! DONT read into the text things which are not present! If you dont know the story and the back story of Luke 10 you should not be quoting it.
Can I suggest you read Luke 10 and see how important this milestone in his ministry, not only for him, but those disciples who represented him to the masses. Who was the Lord contending with? Read contextually! DONT read into the text things which are not present! If you dont know the story and the back story of Luke 10 you should not be quoting it.
Of course I am serious. The entire Bible teaches that.
The Power of the Holy Spirit is quite literal. It is literally the Electricity that quickens us and makes our Hearts beat, etc. The Spirit lives on after death, and so does the Soul. The Spirit is what gives Life to the Soul. Energy can never be destroyed, but transferred.
Spirit is what powered the Wheels in Ezekiel.
When a person dies, they lose the Body only. The Soul and Spirit remain.
BTW, I noticed you keep dodging my questions.
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Show me "this entire Bible" teaching the afterlife of an ethereal spirit which lives on after death? Be careful how you quote there Quantum!
Lol. Fair enough.
I see you are in Australia. I am in the USA and it is bed time. I will address the above tomorrow.
Thank you for hanging out with me!
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Maybe they should call it "eternal dying" instead of eternal death?
Death canotes a finality. Dying is a process.
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That's interesting. One test I use is to insert a definition into the verse to check whether it fits. Let's see below.
The Moment of Conception is ordained/ordered of old... for the king it is prepared... the breath of the Lord... doth kindle it.
Seems to work. We be Gingerbread Men. - LOL
Genesis 2:7 New English Translation (NET)
The Lord God formed[a] the man from the soil of the ground[b]
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life,[c] and the man became a living being.[d]
I like how you think. I would paraphrase it like this...
"Destruction and rebirth is ordained..."
It is similar to the concept of the Phoenix, which interestingly are held by those that are to be Born Again into the Glorified Body...
Revelation 7:9
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"
The Saved are holding Phoenixes, a symbol of rebirth.
The people took Phoenixes to meet Jesus...
John 12:13
"Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord."
Did they think Jesus was the reincarnated David?
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The most obvious example of an Everlasting 'Ghostly' Spirit is the Holy Ghost. It is part of the Godhead and will never cease to exist.
Most Christians do not realize that the Holy Ghost is in all Life. As I mentioned earlier, the Spirit is what quickens Life and keeps us alive both in the Body and out of it. It is Energy/Power. When Jesus received the Holy Ghost, it was a renewal, not the first time he received it.
The Spirit goes up or down, it does not 'disappear'...
Ecclesiastes 3:21
"Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"
When the Electricity stops flowing in a Lifeform, the Body dies, but the Spirit lives on...
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Our Temple Bodies house the Spirit...
1 Corinthians 3:16
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
Note that the word 'Spirit' can also mean personality, memories, character, intellect, etc. A lot of folks associate that with the Soul, however that is incorrect.
A 'Soul' is a Lifeform's Genome. It is the Word made flesh.
If you are looking for OT examples only, there are plenty of them...
Job 4:15
"Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of my flesh stood up"
1 Kings 22:21
"And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him."
Psalms 31:5
"Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth."
So why then did Jesus teach that Gehenna is a place where we are all birthed out of, as if it is synonymous with the womb or our Mothers?
Matthew 23:15 (Young's Literal Translation)
"Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye go round the sea and the dry land to make one proselyte, and whenever it may happen -- ye make him a son of gehenna twofold more than yourselves."
'Son of Gehenna' is just as literal as any other 'Son of' in the Bible...
John 1:34
"And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God."
Genesis 21:9
"And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking."
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Why are we born out of the 'grave' as you call it?
Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."
Where did Jesus descend to when he incarnated? Did Jesus descend into Mary's womb or the grave?
Ephesians 4:9
"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"
Are you actually teaching that Jesus descended into the grave to be conceived?
Revelation 14:9-11 KJV
9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 19:19-21 KJV
19) And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21) And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 20:10-15 KJV
10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:6-8 KJV
6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The Lake of Fire is the second death, a place of everlasting torment, God's wrath upon the devil, and the beast and the falst prophet, and those who were not found written in the book of life.
It is a placed of destruction and torment and wrath, and is called the "second death", not the "second life".
Pagan gods and godesses aside.
Much love!
9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 19:19-21 KJV
19) And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21) And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 20:10-15 KJV
10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:6-8 KJV
6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The Lake of Fire is the second death, a place of everlasting torment, God's wrath upon the devil, and the beast and the falst prophet, and those who were not found written in the book of life.
It is a placed of destruction and torment and wrath, and is called the "second death", not the "second life".
Pagan gods and godesses aside.
Much love!
The Soul is the Genome. It is information that exists outside of death of the Body. All Life has a Soul. It is the Word made flesh...
John 6:63
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
The verse is clear. Spirit, not Soul, is Life.
The whole point of the Lake of Fire is to destroy the Soul, to destroy the Genetic Sequences of the previous Body, so that the Spirit can be given a new set of DNA instructions to create a new Body. This is why it is called the Second Death. The Genome must be rewritten. Build Back Better...
A similar process occurs with the Glorified Body. The 'New Name' is the new Genome...
Revelation 2:17
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."
The White Stone is the Seed of Abraham. It is the 'Rock'. The Seed is the Word of God. DNA.
The 'names' in the Book of Life are Genetic Sequences, not 'Billy' or 'Sue'... lol.
The Lion of the Tribe of Judah is the only one that can loose the Seven Seals on the Book of Life and claim ownership of the Genetic Code contained therein.
