Is the story of Noah literal?
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amigo de christo
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The truth remains . GOD kept the ark safe . Who cares what carnal minded men have to say bout ships .
Carnal men built the titanic , the unsinkable ship it was called . Yet it sunk .
GOD is in control . Now lift thos hands and praise the KING .
amigo de christo
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Nutting is more annoying than false doctrine . Just a reminder .
Webers_Home
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It's believed by some that Noah's ark was a type of Christ. If so, then it was
essential that God and Man together have roles in its construction just as
God and Man together had roles in the Word of John 1:1-3 coming into the
world as the flesh of John 1:14 to rescue the world from a fate quite a bit worse
than death by drowning; in point of fact, a mode of death akin to a foundry
worker falling into a kettle of molten iron. (Rev 20:11-15)
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Yes, God enjoys His people and teaching them, and we should pray often and enjoy God.
Proverbs 3:12
For whom the Lord loves He corrects, Just as a father the son in whom he delights.
Luke 12:32
“Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
Ephesians 1:5
having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
Proverbs 8
12 “I, wisdom, dwell with prudence,
And find out knowledge and discretion.
13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil;
Pride and arrogance and the evil way
And the perverse mouth I hate.
14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom;
I am understanding, I have strength.
15 By me kings reign,
And rulers decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles,
All the judges of [c]the earth.
17 I love those who love me,
And those who seek me diligently will find me.
18 Riches and honor are with me,
Enduring riches and righteousness.
19 My fruit is better than gold, yes, than fine gold,
And my revenue than choice silver.
20 I [d]traverse the way of righteousness,
In the midst of the paths of justice,
21 That I may cause those who love me to inherit wealth,
That I may fill their treasuries.
22 “The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.
23 I have been established from everlasting,
From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.
24 When there were no depths I was brought forth,
When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills, I was brought forth;
26 While as yet He had not made the earth or the [e]fields,
Or the [f]primal dust of the world.
27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there,
When He drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28 When He established the clouds above,
When He strengthened the fountains of the deep,
29 When He assigned to the sea its limit,
So that the waters would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside Him as [g]a master craftsman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,
31 Rejoicing in His inhabited world,
And my delight was with the sons of men.
32 “Now therefore, listen to me, my children,
For blessed are those who keep my ways.
33 Hear instruction and be wise,
And do not disdain it.
34 Blessed is the man who listens to me,
Watching daily at my gates,
Waiting at the posts of my doors.
35 For whoever finds me finds life,
And obtains favor from the Lord;
36 But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul;
All those who hate me love death.”
Webers_Home
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FAQ: Is it possible that the Flood was local rather than global?
REPLY: Well; the problem with that theory is: the waters breached the highest
mountains by fifteen cubits (approx. 22½ feet). So then, if perchance Noah lived in
a geographic basin, the waters would have overflowed the mountains surrounding
him and kept on going before they ever got up to that 22½ feet of extra elevation.
But the water would start spilling past Noah's area long before it breached
the tops of the highest mountains surrounding him because mountain ranges
aren't shaped smooth, level, and planed like the rim of a domestic bath tub.
No; they're very irregular and consist of high points and low points; viz:
peaks, valleys, canyons, saddles, and passes.
Thus mountain ranges make poor bath tubs because you would lose water
through the low points before it even had a chance to fill to the peaks. In
point of fact, were the sides of your bathtub shaped like a mountain range;
you could never fill it. And in trying to; just end up with water all over the
floor.
22½ feet may not seem like a lot of water but when you consider the
diameter of the Earth, that is an enormous amount when it's above the
highest mountains. How high were the highest mountains in Noah's day?
Nobody really knows. But just supposing the tallest at that time was about
equal to California's Mount Laguna east of San Diego; viz: 5,738 feet above
sea level-- about 1.1 miles. Adding 22½ feet to that comes out to
approx. 5,761 feet.
The amount of rain it would take to accumulate that much water in only
forty days would be something like six global feet of depth per hour (not
taking into consideration that the diameter of the water's surface would
increase as the water got deeper)
To put that in perspective: the lobby of the Empire State Building in New
York city is approximately 47 feet above sea level. At 6 feet per hour, the
lobby would be under water in less than eight hours. The whole building,
lightening rod and all; would be under water in just a little over ten days.
The new One World Trade Center would be gone in about thirteen days, and
Denver in less than thirty-seven.
FYI: It's sometimes objected that there is no geological evidence to support
the Flood. Well it only lasted a year so what do the skeptics expect? And
besides, it was essentially standing water rather than flowing water so it
would've produced relatively little erosion, if any. It's likely effects would've
been sedimentary.
And the water was removed all at the same time from all over the globe
rather than drained off from a single location, viz: God didn't pull the plug,
so to speak. And then we should also take into consideration that though the
Flood's arrival was swift and violent, it's removal was relatively gradual and
gentle.
_
FAQ: Is it possible that the Flood was local rather than global?
REPLY: Well; the problem with that theory is: the waters breached the highest
mountains by fifteen cubits (approx. 22½ feet). So then, if perchance Noah lived in
a geographic basin, the waters would have overflowed the mountains surrounding
him and kept on going before they ever got up to that 22½ feet of extra elevation.
But the water would start spilling past Noah's area long before it breached
the tops of the highest mountains surrounding him because mountain ranges
aren't shaped smooth, level, and planed like the rim of a domestic bath tub.
No; they're very irregular and consist of high points and low points; viz:
peaks, valleys, canyons, saddles, and passes.
Thus mountain ranges make poor bath tubs because you would lose water
through the low points before it even had a chance to fill to the peaks. In
point of fact, were the sides of your bathtub shaped like a mountain range;
you could never fill it. And in trying to; just end up with water all over the
floor.
22½ feet may not seem like a lot of water but when you consider the
diameter of the Earth, that is an enormous amount when it's above the
highest mountains. How high were the highest mountains in Noah's day?
Nobody really knows. But just supposing the tallest at that time was about
equal to California's Mount Laguna east of San Diego; viz: 5,738 feet above
sea level-- about 1.1 miles. Adding 22½ feet to that comes out to
approx. 5,761 feet.
The amount of rain it would take to accumulate that much water in only
forty days would be something like six global feet of depth per hour (not
taking into consideration that the diameter of the water's surface would
increase as the water got deeper)
To put that in perspective: the lobby of the Empire State Building in New
York city is approximately 47 feet above sea level. At 6 feet per hour, the
lobby would be under water in less than eight hours. The whole building,
lightening rod and all; would be under water in just a little over ten days.
The new One World Trade Center would be gone in about thirteen days, and
Denver in less than thirty-seven.
FYI: It's sometimes objected that there is no geological evidence to support
the Flood. Well it only lasted a year so what do the skeptics expect? And
besides, it was essentially standing water rather than flowing water so it
would've produced relatively little erosion, if any. It's likely effects would've
been sedimentary.
And the water was removed all at the same time from all over the globe
rather than drained off from a single location, viz: God didn't pull the plug,
so to speak. And then we should also take into consideration that though the
Flood's arrival was swift and violent, it's removal was relatively gradual and
gentle.
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If you're a believer, then you must accept it. Christ's lineage is traced back to Noah
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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● Gen 6:15b . . the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width
fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits.
The cubit of Noah's day remains a total mystery. We have no way of
knowing exactly how long it was. Maybe Noah and his boys passed on their
antediluvian knowledge of weights and measures to the post-flood world and
it stayed pretty close to the original standards over the years; but it's
impossible to know for sure.
If we use an 18-inch cubit as a close approximation, then the ark would
have been in the neighborhood of 450' long x 75' wide x 45' high. The ark's
beam was 30 feet wider than its height, so should have proved very stable,
and difficult to capsize even in rough seas-- especially since it had a flat
bottom, which was good too for the purpose intended.
Nothing fancy. Since the ark didn't have to navigate; then it didn't require a
means of propulsion nor was there any practical use for a bow, or a stern, or
a wheel house, a rudder, sails, engine room, anchor, windlasses, or masts--
not even a handrail around the main deck. Since the ark didn't have to cut
through the water like a schooner, then it didn't need tapered undersides. All
the ark really had to do was float. It was really nothing in the world but a
barge: and a very crude barge at that. Really little more than a very large
watertight crate.
Compared to modern ships, 450 feet is not all that big. Oil tankers are
around 1,500, and the Nimitz aircraft carrier is about 1,092 feet. The
distance from home plate to the center field fence in major league baseball,
averages 400 feet or better. So the ark would just about fit into Yankee
stadium. The main playing area of a football field is 300 feet. Add 26 more
for the end zones, and the total is 326; which is still 124 feet short of the
ark's length but at least gives some idea of its scale.
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● Gen 6:15b . . the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width
fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits.
The cubit of Noah's day remains a total mystery. We have no way of
knowing exactly how long it was. Maybe Noah and his boys passed on their
antediluvian knowledge of weights and measures to the post-flood world and
it stayed pretty close to the original standards over the years; but it's
impossible to know for sure.
If we use an 18-inch cubit as a close approximation, then the ark would
have been in the neighborhood of 450' long x 75' wide x 45' high. The ark's
beam was 30 feet wider than its height, so should have proved very stable,
and difficult to capsize even in rough seas-- especially since it had a flat
bottom, which was good too for the purpose intended.
Nothing fancy. Since the ark didn't have to navigate; then it didn't require a
means of propulsion nor was there any practical use for a bow, or a stern, or
a wheel house, a rudder, sails, engine room, anchor, windlasses, or masts--
not even a handrail around the main deck. Since the ark didn't have to cut
through the water like a schooner, then it didn't need tapered undersides. All
the ark really had to do was float. It was really nothing in the world but a
barge: and a very crude barge at that. Really little more than a very large
watertight crate.
Compared to modern ships, 450 feet is not all that big. Oil tankers are
around 1,500, and the Nimitz aircraft carrier is about 1,092 feet. The
distance from home plate to the center field fence in major league baseball,
averages 400 feet or better. So the ark would just about fit into Yankee
stadium. The main playing area of a football field is 300 feet. Add 26 more
for the end zones, and the total is 326; which is still 124 feet short of the
ark's length but at least gives some idea of its scale.
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Hi @TinMan
In the beginning God Created AND Made the Earth.
“The Beginning” is not a DATE, but rather a NOTICE of what was NOT in existence, BECAME in existence.
“Creation” is one thing.
“Making” is another thing, that applies to the characteristics of a particular “Created” thing.
“Science” is simply “Discovery” of Created things, and the possibilities and extents of the “characteristics” of a particular Created thing.
“Science” is taught IN Scripture. And men of all eras from the “beginning OF” ManKIND, have “Discovered” Created things, and have “wondered, theorized, tinkered, tried, mixed, tested, millions of ideas, for millions of reasons”.
In the beginning, The UNSEEN God, creator and maker, via His own “methods” communicated with ManKIND, “informing” ancient manKIND, of “UNSEEN” mysteries
(Created things) and HOW to find, retrieve, “AND” the USES, or otherwise,
The WISDOM, The UNDERSTANDING, of “MAKING” discovered things, A GOOD Beneficial USE for manKIND.
From the ancient days, and what we today, use daily, but do not take a second thought of the magnitude the First “of manKIND” were being introduced to…
From Food, Clothing, Shelter, etc.
Ofcourse “coal” existed IN the Earth,
As did water, oil, gold, silver, minerals, rock, etc.
Every element IN the Earth that men have discovered over the centuries, has existed, from the day God created and made the Earth.
Every KIND of seed God spread upon the Earth has existed from the day God created and made the Earth.
Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Creation…Earth is simply DRY LAND.
(Easy visible to a mans Eye)
Making…..Is the Mysterious Elements IN the Earth.
(Unseen to mans Eye)
Do created THINGS “evolve” ?
Of course.
Created THINGS, grow larger, become more knowledgable, wiser, adapt to food sources, move about, shelter, etc.
CAN created KINDS of things CHANGE to become a DIFFERENT “KIND” of thing?
No.
CAN made KINDS of things CHANGE to become a DIFFERENT “MADE” thing?
Yes.
IOW, Gold will always be Gold. A Tree will always be a Tree. An Animal will always be an Animal KIND of thing. A man will always be a manKIND of thing.
Gold will not reproduce a Tree Kind of thing.
An Animal Kind of reproduction offspring, will not reproduce a ManKIND of thing.
A manKind of reproduction offspring, will not reproduce an Animal Kind of thing.
IOW, a created KIND of thing will always be it’s own KIND of thing.
It’s the “MAKING” where the “mystery of miracles” become the puzzlement and awe of manKIND.
Noah was instructed to build an ARK.
We are given the KNOWLEDGE of Noah’s instructions, written in ink on paper, copied and distributed.
The “UNDERSTANDING” of Gods “knowledge”, is ALWAYS given expressly FROM God to an “individual”, as is expressly revealed IN Scripture.
AS WELL, is the WARNING, to NOT privately,
(Personally, philosophically, mindfully determine “Gods Understanding” of “His Knowledge”.)
Just saying… Science is about discovery of created things. Science is also about making uses of created things.
And no doubt, “some scientists”, can and do “convolute” the term “evolution” into a flowery, twisted, lie.
Hi @TinMan
Regarding Noah’s Ark…
The instructions, the materials, the tools, the cargo, etc. were expressly revealed TO Noah FROM God.
* We get a “brief” of that “knowledge”.
* We get no detailed “understanding” of that “knowledge”.
* We get a “brief” of the events that transpired, via Gods Power and Noah’s Trust and Efforts.
* We (every individual manKIND) has “freewill” to Trust to Believe, the revealed Knowledge, the revealed Events…or not.
You mentioned the BRACING, the LEAKING….
Regarding the Ark.
The shell (so to speak) gopherwood clad with pitch inside and out…
and the inside of the ark was partitioned (layers of multiple floors) and rooms. (To accommodate the intended cargo).
How many “trees” in today’s terms?
Irrelevant.
What species of “trees” in today’s availability?
Irrelevant.
What material of “pitch/cladding” in today’s terms available?
Irrelevant.
Gopherwood is not a TYPE/Species of TREE, but rather a “fashioning” of a “wood” which is the makeup of every tree.
“Fashioning” is simply a detailed cutting, styling, planing, bending, a wood material.
“Cladding” is simply “covering” the “fashioned wood” with a specific material.
KINDS, are specific characteristics that exclusively belongs to a specific “group” of created things.
(For example…two legs vs four legs…hooves vs paws vs hands….cloven hooves vs no split…air breathing vs no lungs…habitat land vs air vs water…multiple stomachs vs one stomach….chews cud vs no cud…scaled flesh vs smooth flesh…..instincts, defend vs run, hide, vs reflex, vs mindful logic…etc.)
Yes some created things have the Same Characteristics, as well as SPECIFIC Characteristics that Divide and Separate them from other KINDS of created things.
Noah’s instructions were to bring aboard the ark, pairs, (male and female) of specific numbers, of specific Kinds of Animals….and a specific number of ManKIND of things.
And the WHY, was specifically, TO Preserve FROM destruction, (God foretold He would destroy) Exactly what God determined was pleasing to Him.
Did God DESTROY Every living thing upon the face of the earth, whose habit was the Earth? Yes.
Earth is Dry Land.
Wet Land is NOT Dry Land.
God Causing ALL the Land, the Earth to become covered with Water, Destroyed the Earth.
And the ARK? Was the ARK IN the Water with all the inhabitants OF the Earth?
No.
The ARK was ABOVE the face of the Water, rising up, up, up as the Water covered the Earth….(all of the Earth) … about 25 feet above the highest mountain peak.
Easily we can observe mountain peaks…well sort of…when the clouds that surround the mountain peaks are moving.
Regarding Noah’s Ark…
The instructions, the materials, the tools, the cargo, etc. were expressly revealed TO Noah FROM God.
* We get a “brief” of that “knowledge”.
* We get no detailed “understanding” of that “knowledge”.
* We get a “brief” of the events that transpired, via Gods Power and Noah’s Trust and Efforts.
* We (every individual manKIND) has “freewill” to Trust to Believe, the revealed Knowledge, the revealed Events…or not.
You mentioned the BRACING, the LEAKING….
Regarding the Ark.
The shell (so to speak) gopherwood clad with pitch inside and out…
and the inside of the ark was partitioned (layers of multiple floors) and rooms. (To accommodate the intended cargo).
How many “trees” in today’s terms?
Irrelevant.
What species of “trees” in today’s availability?
Irrelevant.
What material of “pitch/cladding” in today’s terms available?
Irrelevant.
Gopherwood is not a TYPE/Species of TREE, but rather a “fashioning” of a “wood” which is the makeup of every tree.
“Fashioning” is simply a detailed cutting, styling, planing, bending, a wood material.
“Cladding” is simply “covering” the “fashioned wood” with a specific material.
KINDS, are specific characteristics that exclusively belongs to a specific “group” of created things.
(For example…two legs vs four legs…hooves vs paws vs hands….cloven hooves vs no split…air breathing vs no lungs…habitat land vs air vs water…multiple stomachs vs one stomach….chews cud vs no cud…scaled flesh vs smooth flesh…..instincts, defend vs run, hide, vs reflex, vs mindful logic…etc.)
Yes some created things have the Same Characteristics, as well as SPECIFIC Characteristics that Divide and Separate them from other KINDS of created things.
Noah’s instructions were to bring aboard the ark, pairs, (male and female) of specific numbers, of specific Kinds of Animals….and a specific number of ManKIND of things.
And the WHY, was specifically, TO Preserve FROM destruction, (God foretold He would destroy) Exactly what God determined was pleasing to Him.
Did God DESTROY Every living thing upon the face of the earth, whose habit was the Earth? Yes.
Earth is Dry Land.
Wet Land is NOT Dry Land.
God Causing ALL the Land, the Earth to become covered with Water, Destroyed the Earth.
And the ARK? Was the ARK IN the Water with all the inhabitants OF the Earth?
No.
The ARK was ABOVE the face of the Water, rising up, up, up as the Water covered the Earth….(all of the Earth) … about 25 feet above the highest mountain peak.
Easily we can observe mountain peaks…well sort of…when the clouds that surround the mountain peaks are moving.
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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● Gen 6:21-22 . . For your part, take of everything that is eaten and store it
away, to serve as food for you and for them.
God didn't specify precisely how much food to load aboard. He only
instructed Noah to store things that are edible; but not their quantity.
Nobody can be sure whether or not Noah knew just how long the Flood was
going to last. If he didn't, then of course he would have no idea how much
food he needed to bring along.
So what about the carnivorous animals that came aboard with Noah-- the
lions and tigers and hawks and eagles and meerkats and alligators and
crocodiles? Well; those kinds of animals can live on vegetation when they
have to. According to Isa 11:6-9 and Isa 65:25, there's a day coming when
the diet of carnivores will be changed to that of herbivores; which was
actually their diet in the first place. (Gen 1:30)
Some have proposed that the animals hibernated so they wouldn't have to
be fed very often nor require much room for exercise nor would they
generate much manure to clean up. That's actually a very plausible
explanation. For example: arctic ground squirrels can lower their body
temperature below freezing and avoid serious head injuries while hibernating
for as long seven months. Why the little guys don't freeze to death is a
mystery.
Others have proposed that Noah loaded a minimal amount that God then
miraculously sustained. That too is a very plausible explanation. For example:
1Kgs 17:8-16 & 2Kgs 4:1-7
I'm not insisting that God sustained everyone aboard the ark via hibernation
and/or miracles. But in the light of nature's examples, and the Bible's, it isn't
unreasonable to suggest that's exactly what happened.
Another logistics problem was feeding everybody when the Flood was over.
What would they eat then?
The Flood left some species of vegetation intact. For example Gen 8:10-11
tells of an olive leaf which-- according to the Hebrew word taraph (taw
rawf') --was freshly plucked off the tree rather than found lying around dead
on the ground.
Also, a number of plants produce underground, e.g. carrots, turnips, radishes,
yams, beets, peanuts, parsnips, rutabagas, onions, and Jerusalem artichokes,
and radishes. If Noah was directed where to look, he and his family could dig
those up.
Plus, Noah was ordered to take aboard common foot stuffs for himself and
for the menagerie. I've a hunch that some of that was left over; maybe even
quite a bit; especially if God kept it resupplied like at 1Kgs 17:8-16 and 2Kgs
4:1-7.
Also, according to 1Kgs 19:5-9, God is capable of strengthening the
nourishment of common food so that those who eat it can get by on less
than usual amounts.
NOTE: It's not unreasonable to believe vegetation survived the Flood. (It
lasted scarcely one year) The prairie grass that once flourished in America's
corn belt was some really hardy stuff. Prior to the White Man, prairie grass
roots grew as deep as four feet, and sometimes eleven, so that no matter
how much or how often the grass was burned off or withered by drought,
it bounced right back.
_
● Gen 6:21-22 . . For your part, take of everything that is eaten and store it
away, to serve as food for you and for them.
God didn't specify precisely how much food to load aboard. He only
instructed Noah to store things that are edible; but not their quantity.
Nobody can be sure whether or not Noah knew just how long the Flood was
going to last. If he didn't, then of course he would have no idea how much
food he needed to bring along.
So what about the carnivorous animals that came aboard with Noah-- the
lions and tigers and hawks and eagles and meerkats and alligators and
crocodiles? Well; those kinds of animals can live on vegetation when they
have to. According to Isa 11:6-9 and Isa 65:25, there's a day coming when
the diet of carnivores will be changed to that of herbivores; which was
actually their diet in the first place. (Gen 1:30)
Some have proposed that the animals hibernated so they wouldn't have to
be fed very often nor require much room for exercise nor would they
generate much manure to clean up. That's actually a very plausible
explanation. For example: arctic ground squirrels can lower their body
temperature below freezing and avoid serious head injuries while hibernating
for as long seven months. Why the little guys don't freeze to death is a
mystery.
Others have proposed that Noah loaded a minimal amount that God then
miraculously sustained. That too is a very plausible explanation. For example:
1Kgs 17:8-16 & 2Kgs 4:1-7
I'm not insisting that God sustained everyone aboard the ark via hibernation
and/or miracles. But in the light of nature's examples, and the Bible's, it isn't
unreasonable to suggest that's exactly what happened.
Another logistics problem was feeding everybody when the Flood was over.
What would they eat then?
The Flood left some species of vegetation intact. For example Gen 8:10-11
tells of an olive leaf which-- according to the Hebrew word taraph (taw
rawf') --was freshly plucked off the tree rather than found lying around dead
on the ground.
Also, a number of plants produce underground, e.g. carrots, turnips, radishes,
yams, beets, peanuts, parsnips, rutabagas, onions, and Jerusalem artichokes,
and radishes. If Noah was directed where to look, he and his family could dig
those up.
Plus, Noah was ordered to take aboard common foot stuffs for himself and
for the menagerie. I've a hunch that some of that was left over; maybe even
quite a bit; especially if God kept it resupplied like at 1Kgs 17:8-16 and 2Kgs
4:1-7.
Also, according to 1Kgs 19:5-9, God is capable of strengthening the
nourishment of common food so that those who eat it can get by on less
than usual amounts.
NOTE: It's not unreasonable to believe vegetation survived the Flood. (It
lasted scarcely one year) The prairie grass that once flourished in America's
corn belt was some really hardy stuff. Prior to the White Man, prairie grass
roots grew as deep as four feet, and sometimes eleven, so that no matter
how much or how often the grass was burned off or withered by drought,
it bounced right back.
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TinMan
Well-Known Member
Coal isn't an element, it is a sedimentary composite found in layers between other sedimentary layers. Those arguing for a biblical flood tell us that the sedimentary layers of ground were laid down by the flood itself (no idea just how that would work)
TinMan
Well-Known Member
When talking about things like moving contenants and thousands of sedimentary layers being laid down almost over night it is unreasonable.
Point was science is discovery. And what is IN and comes forth out from the Earth, nutritionally sustains a mans natural life.
I believe God created and made the Earth. And that the creation remains constant, but that the making can and does change. Inasmuch as the landscape of dry land can change, so also do I believe wet land (sea floor) can change. Considering the changing of landscape I believe revolves around weather, and I believe God controls the weather.
Before the flood, rain or no rain is a debated topic. Not an issue to me. Yet a consistent 24-7 rain for 40 days, falling from the sky and waters from beneath the earth gushing up, IMO would be a phenomenal event.
Waters (seas) below the earth, gushing upward, may have IMO shifted and caused layers, crevices as well on the earth.
Referencing, that rain was not the only water that covered the Earth.
Gen 7:
[11] In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Fairly long term suspect and more recent Scientific Discovery is a huge water source under the earth, which has been identified as a massive ocean and named as “Ringwoodite”.
Gen 8:
[1] And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
[2] The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
[3] And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
So was there water from under the earth, before the flood? I think so.
Did that water have motion, IDK.
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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● Gen 7:11a . . In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second
month, on the seventeenth day of the month,
The Flood isn't dated according to a calendar; but rather, relative to Noah's
life. In other words: let's say that Noah was born in the month of July. Had
that been the case; then the second month of his life would have been
August.
● Gen 7:11b . . the same day were all the fountains of the great deep
broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
The Hebrew word translated "deep" is tehowm (teh-home') which indicates
an abyss (as a surging mass of water) especially the deep (the main sea or
the subterranean water-supply). Tehowm occurred very early on in the
Bible's texts at Gen 1:1-2.
The difference is that this deep is the great deep. The word for "great" is
from rab (rab) which means abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank,
quality), so that this particular deep could be thought of as bottomless; viz:
an abysmal source of water beyond human imagination whereas the Earth's
indigenous sources are limited. The precise location of the great deep is
currently unknown.
The "windows" of heaven are translated from 'arubbah (ar-oob-baw') which
refers to a sluice; viz: a trough and/or a channel for moving water from one
place to another; in this case for transferring water from the great deep to
the Earth.
Seeing as how Gen 7:11 speaks of heaven and sluices, then I think it's safe
to assume that the water used to inundate the Earth came from somewhere
out in the void; which is actually a reasonable assumption.
In an article I found on the internet dated July 22, 2011; astronomers have
discovered the largest and oldest mass of water ever detected in the
universe-- a gigantic cloud harboring 140 trillion times more water than all
of Earth's oceans combined. Well; I'm pretty sure that's a sufficient quantity
of water to inundate the Earth to a depth required by the Flood.
_
● Gen 7:11a . . In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second
month, on the seventeenth day of the month,
The Flood isn't dated according to a calendar; but rather, relative to Noah's
life. In other words: let's say that Noah was born in the month of July. Had
that been the case; then the second month of his life would have been
August.
● Gen 7:11b . . the same day were all the fountains of the great deep
broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
The Hebrew word translated "deep" is tehowm (teh-home') which indicates
an abyss (as a surging mass of water) especially the deep (the main sea or
the subterranean water-supply). Tehowm occurred very early on in the
Bible's texts at Gen 1:1-2.
The difference is that this deep is the great deep. The word for "great" is
from rab (rab) which means abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank,
quality), so that this particular deep could be thought of as bottomless; viz:
an abysmal source of water beyond human imagination whereas the Earth's
indigenous sources are limited. The precise location of the great deep is
currently unknown.
The "windows" of heaven are translated from 'arubbah (ar-oob-baw') which
refers to a sluice; viz: a trough and/or a channel for moving water from one
place to another; in this case for transferring water from the great deep to
the Earth.
Seeing as how Gen 7:11 speaks of heaven and sluices, then I think it's safe
to assume that the water used to inundate the Earth came from somewhere
out in the void; which is actually a reasonable assumption.
In an article I found on the internet dated July 22, 2011; astronomers have
discovered the largest and oldest mass of water ever detected in the
universe-- a gigantic cloud harboring 140 trillion times more water than all
of Earth's oceans combined. Well; I'm pretty sure that's a sufficient quantity
of water to inundate the Earth to a depth required by the Flood.
_
TinMan
Well-Known Member
Ringwoodite is a high-pressure phase of Mg2SiO4 (magnesium silicate) formed at high temperatures and pressures of the Earth's mantle between 525 and 660 km (326 and 410 mi) depth. Ringwoodite can absorb water. But it can’t absorb water in liquid, solid or gas form. High temperatures cause water molecules to split to create hydroxyl radicals (-OH). Pores in the ringwoodite absorb the hydroxyl radicals. This traps the broken-down water inside the mineral’s molecular structure.
If the hydroxyl radicals were somehow be able to be removed from the molecular structure of RIngwoodite and go immediately to the surface it would emerge at just over 5,400 degrees
robert derrick
Well-Known Member
I don't read the Symbol Man's Bible, nor give it any regard.This doesn't follow. Not all parts of the Bible are "literal". Jesus' parables aren't true stories. The poetry (the psalms, large chunks of Isaiah and the other prophets, Song of Songs) contains a lot of metaphorical pictures that shouldn't be interpreted literally. And let's not get started on Revelation...
There are in fact plenty of clues that suggest that the first few chapters of Genesis are not "literal" (that doesn't mean that the events didn't happen, just that they aren't described in a historical manner).
In the Beginning
Genesis 1-11 is probably one of the most controversial parts of the Bible. There are several reasons for this, but surely the main one is that it deals with such fundamental issues: the origins and…deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com
People who do away with the factual record of the Bible, only do so by unbelief.
Whether it's the specifics of the flood over all the earth, the Israelites walking over dry ground of the Red Sea, or the rich man being tormented in hell. It's all the same unbelief.
The only reason people reject the historical record and miracles of Scripture, is to then go on and justify rejecting the law and judgement of God.
It's really just a matter of living in sin unrighteously, while denying the fear of the Lord.
Unbeliever don't really care about the historical record itself. If they can find any so-called fault with the Bible, then they think they can dismiss the whole book as just another faulty book of man.
They then go on in the hypocrisy of choosing certain parts as worthy philosophy, and others as fables only.
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
They do the same with regarding some of the law of Christ as worthy not to violate, while other parts they set aside as just rules of man.
That's how people use the Bible as just another moral guide in life, and not the law and commandment of the true God, Who will judge every person according to their obedience or disobedience to it.
