Born again = Righteous

[Marvelloustime]

For those who believed in JESUS our last breath is Our first forever with the glorious KING .
All the sufferings this world brought us we will never suffer again . Lambs will enter into the greatest most JOY
they have ever known when they are WITH THE KING .
Now pull up a chair , cause what i say next will be hated and make me be seen as a monster .
FOR THOSE WHO REJECTED HIM , REJECTED the GOSPEL , no amount of suffering in this world
can touch the SUFFERING they will face . May i die ten trillion of the worst suffering deaths
long before i embrace the all inclusive social gospel LIE from THE DRAGON . DEAL WITH IT and everone
else better deal with it too . CAUSE i refuse to enter into the covenant of men gone wrong .
ALLAH cant save the muslims , Muhammed cannot save them . BUDDA will not save the buddist
and the philoophies of an athiest cannot save him . Hindus hundreds of gods cannot save them .
The works of men cannot save one . BELIEVE YE IN CHRIST JESUS , HAVE ALL FAITH , ALL TRUST ,
ALL HOPE , IN HE ALONE . ALL else is nutting but the winds of gaseous men gone wrong .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Oh And PS , if tha jesus ya follow honors your sins or anyones sins or religon . IT AINT JESUS
and it will not save them either .

Only the biblical Lord Jesus saves. And the only way to find out if it’s the biblical Jesus you follow, read the Bible. Let the Lord be thanked and praised.

 

[amigo de christo]

My Thread...the one you are on, is teaching that being born again, is to be "made Righteous".

You came to it with a list of things to do, works to do, commandments to keep.
So, why you needed to post 10+ posts, , talking about works....on a Thread that is teaching about being born again is why we had to have a very long discussion.

So, all THAT STUFF< that you kept posting.... is not related to Salvation, or being "made righteous".

What you were posting is the same thing that Episkopos and similar post, as they can never just allow Christ to be the Savior, without adding their works and commandment keeping to the Cross.

You stopped doing that, so....... now we can agree.

Only ONE way to be made righteous . Buddist cannot attain to it , mulisms cannot attain to it
hindus cannot attain to it . The smiling grandpa who did good things cannot attain to it .
BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST . IN HE ALONE can one be MADE the righteousness of GOD .
IN HE ALONE can one be saved . IN HE alone can one be justified . I shun the all inclusive false love social gospel
to hades and i shun it daily . I wil not heed its doctrine , i will not follow its jesus .
And let no man , woman or child follow its lie either . GOD drew me to ONE NAME , TO ONE CHRIST ,
to ONE GOSPEL , TO ONE SAVOIR . JESUS CHRIST . HE ALONE is who will be pointed too .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Only ONE way to be made righteous . Buddist cannot attain to it , mulisms cannot attain to it
hindus cannot attain to it . The smiling grandpa who did good things cannot attain to it .
BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST . IN HE ALONE can one be MADE the righteousness of GOD .
IN HE ALONE can one be saved . IN HE alone can one be justified . I shun the all inclusive false love social gospel
to hades and i shun it daily . I wil not heed its doctrine , i will not follow its jesus .
And let no man , woman or child follow its lie either . GOD drew me to ONE NAME , TO ONE CHRIST ,
to ONE GOSPEL , TO ONE SAVOIR . JESUS CHRIST . HE ALONE is who will be pointed too .

 

[Phoneman777]

"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the LAW". "The Law is the power of sin", the Power of SIN.... is the law" = "the CURSE"

You're corrupting Scripture because the law is "holy, just, and good" - it's not a curse.
So, to what does "curse of the law" refer? Damnation to them who break it.

The Born again are "Not under the LAW....but under Grace".

"Not under the law" doesn't mean "under no obligation to obey it". It means "not under condemnation of the law for having broken it" by God's grace.

"Christ is the END OF THE LAW......for righteousness, for everyone who BELIEVES". (born again)

"You have heard of the patience of Job and seen the END OF THE LORD". Does "end" mean "extinction" or "purpose"?

Yes, Christ is the "purpose" of the law - because the law's purpose is to point us to Christ. Likewise, the Lord's purpose for trying Job's patience was to reveal that among the innumerable wicked and fair weather "Christians" there are those who will remain obedient no matter what.

 

[Phoneman777]

Amen-there are over 1000 Imperatives recorded in Scriptures, I get the impression that some here think born again is all that is important, and can sit with their arms folded-no need to be a doer of God's word-"let's talk the walk but not walk the talk"

Starting to appreciate your biblical viewpoint.

Praise God! However unpopular, I keep telling folks that good works are not the means by which we obtain salvation, but the outward evidence that our inward faith in Christ has obtained it.

Likewise, the OSAS crowd seems to think that we may by dead faith obtain that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

 

[Robert Gwin]

So, if I understand you correctly, feel free to correct me if I misunderstand you brother-Only 144,000 will be saved out from the whole earth?

No sir, 144k have been selected to go to heaven to rule as Kings and Priests in the Kingdom of God that is coming. The Kingdom you have prayed for sir. There will be an innumerable amount of people that survive the great tribulation Rev 7:9,14 and billions resurrected.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Ok, I assume this was about the "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved"
Care to elaborate and what version you are using brother?

Paul quoted a verse there Joe, it was not new. If you have a cross reference Bible it will list where the verse was quoted from, if not, Paul was quoting Joel 2:32 which reads: Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered

I use all kinds of versions, but my preferred version is the New World Translation, followed by the American Standard, with the King James Version coming in third.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I don't understand brother-lately I have posted many Scripture quotations-can you refresh my memory and give me your interpretation?

Here is what you posted sir, what do these verses mostly point out to you?:

John 1:12
Verse Concepts
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

John 3:16
Verse Concepts
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Romans 10:9
Verse Concepts
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

1 John 1:9
Verse Concepts
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Romans 5:8
Verse Concepts
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 3:23
Verse Concepts
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 6:23
Verse Concepts
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Verse Concepts
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

John 3:17
Verse Concepts
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

Ephesians 2:8
Verse Concepts
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Romans 3:20
Verse Concepts
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Ephesians 1:7
Verse Concepts
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

Acts 16:30
Verse Concepts
and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

John 14:6
Verse Concepts
Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Galatians 5:1
Verse Concepts
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

Psalm 119:11
Verse Concepts
Your word I have treasured in my heart,
That I may not sin against You.

Romans 10:13
Verse Concepts
for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Titus 3:5
Verse Concepts
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

Galatians 2:16
Verse Concepts
nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Acts 2:38
Verse Concepts
Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

John 3:18
Verse Concepts
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Hebrews 9:22
Verse Concepts
And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Isaiah 53:6
Verse Concepts
All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.

Romans 3:28
Verse Concepts
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.

Romans 3:11
Verse Concepts
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;

Romans 3:22
Verse Concepts
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

Galatians 2:20
Verse Concepts
I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

Acts 4:12
Verse Concepts
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

John 11:25
Verse Concepts
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,

John 5:24
Verse Concepts
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

2 Corinthians 5:21
Verse Concepts
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Romans 2:13
Verse Concepts
for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.

1 Peter 2:24
Verse Concepts
and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

Ephesians 2:10
Verse Concepts
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

1 Corinthians 15:22
Verse Concepts
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 8:1
Verse Concepts
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:26-27
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Romans 3:24
Verse Concepts
being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

Philippians 1:6
Verse Concepts
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

Exodus 20:1-17
Then God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before Me. read more.

Job 7:5
Verse Concepts
“My flesh is clothed with worms and a crust of dirt,
My skin hardens and runs.

Mark 13:13
Verse Concepts
You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.

John 8:32
Verse Concepts
and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

2 Corinthians 1:10
Verse Concepts
who delivered us from so great a peril of death, and will deliver us, He on whom we have set our hope. And He will yet deliver us,

Hebrews 2:14-15
Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.

Psalm 50:15
Verse Concepts
Call upon Me in the day of trouble;
I shall rescue you, and you will honor Me.”

Revelation 1:8
Verse Concepts
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

1 Chronicles 16:11
Verse Concepts
Seek the Lord and His strength;
Seek His face continually.

John 6:44
Verse Concepts
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

Romans 9:15
Verse Concepts
For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

Jonah 2:9
Verse Concepts
But I will sacrifice to You
With the voice of thanksgiving.
That which I have vowed I will pay.
Salvation is from the Lord.”

 

[Robert Gwin]

We'll all die sooner then we think.
And when that happens to you, .. you'll find out that you didnt stop existing, only your body died and went into the ground.

I believe the Bible is God's word, so I believe what He says about death, but you are absolutely correct, that will be the time that proves it.

 

[Johann]

Paul quoted a verse there Joe, it was not new. If you have a cross reference Bible it will list where the verse was quoted from, if not, Paul was quoting Joel 2:32 which reads: Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered

I am aware of this robert-what is your interpretation of"whomsoever?"

The Masoretic Text begins chapter 3 at this point, but the English Bible, following the Septuagint and the Vulgate, continues chapter 2.

This stanza becomes the OT referent for Peter's Pentecostal sermon (the first gospel sermon of the church) recorded in Acts 2. Several powerful eschatological truths are noted:

YHWH pouring out His Spirit on all flesh (2:28-29, cf. Isa. 44:3-4; Ezek. 39:29)
apocalyptic signs in the heavens (positive, 2:3-31; negative, Amos 5:18,20)
salvation/deliverance through calling on YHWH's name (cf. Ps. 50:15; Isa. 55:6-7; Jer. 29:12; 33:3; Acts 2:21; Rom. 10:8-13)
the presence of a believing remnant

Notice that Peter does not mention any promises to national Israel! Israel is not the focus of the NT or the new age. The New Covenant (cf. Jer. 31:31-34; Ezek. 36:22-36) has a universal focus. At this point I am going to insert the introductory material from my commentary on Revelation, which deals with these OT issues.



2:28 "And it will come about after this" The question is, "what is the time frame?":

post-exilic restoration
interbiblical (Maccabean)
eschatological
Peter's use of this material in Acts 2 shows that for NT believers #3 is the proper period in which to interpret this wonderful prophecy.


"I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind" The coming of the Spirit (sent by YHWH) is the sign of the New Age, the New Covenant, the Messianic period (cf. Isa. 32:15; 44:3; Jer. 31:31-34; Ezek. 36:22-38; 39:29).

It is surely true that the full personality and deity of the Holy Spirit is not revealed in the OT, but through progressive revelation He is in the NT Probably this is because of the culturally surprising and theologically unique monotheism of the OT. This is demonstrated by all causality being attributed to YHWH (cf. Deut. 32:39; Job 5:18; Isa. 45:7; Hosea 6:11; Amos 3:6).

What a tremendous universal element (cf. Isa. 40:5; 42:6; 45:22: 49:6; 51:4; 52:10; Luke 2:32). This same theme is repeated in Joel 2:32, "that whoever calls on the Lord."

The Spirit in the OT is depicted in several ways:

Elohim's active force in creation, Gen. 1:2; Job 33:4; Ps. 104:29-30; 147:14-18
YHWH's personal influence, Gen. 6:3; Isa. 63:10
God's empowering influence
artistic, Exod. 28:3; 31:3; 35:31
leadership
(1) Moses, Num. 11:17; Isa. 63:11
(2) 70 elders, Num. 11:25
(3) Joshua, Num. 27:18; Deut. 34:9
(4) Saul, 1 Sam. 10:6,10; 11:6
(5) David, 1 Sam. 16:13,14; 2 Sam. 23:2
military deliverers, Jdg. 3:10; 6:34; 11:29; 13:25; 14:6,19; 15:14,19
prophecy, Num. 24:2; 1 Sam. 19:20,23; 1 Kgs. 18:12; 22:24; 2 Kgs. 2:16; 2 Chr. 15:1; 18:23; 20:14; 24:20; Ps. 143:11; Isa. 48:16; Ezek. 11:5,24; Micah 3:8
uniquely in the Messiah, Isa. 11:2; 42:4; 59:21; 61:1
It is not until the NT that the personality and deity of the Spirit is developed.

Gen_4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

1Ch_16:8 Give thanks unto the LORD, call upon his name, make known his deeds among the people.

Psa_99:6 Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name; they called upon the LORD, and he answered them.

Psa_105:1 O give thanks unto the LORD; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.

Psa_116:13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.

Psa_116:17 I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the LORD.

Isa_12:4 And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.

Isa_41:25 I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.

Isa_48:2 For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer_10:25 Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name: for they have eaten up Jacob, and devoured him, and consumed him, and have made his habitation desolate.

Jer_25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.

Hos_1:4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.

Hos_1:6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.

Zep_3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

Act_19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

Rom_10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
1Co_1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Is this "whosoever" not a universal call?-only to a select few?

 

[Behold]

You're corrupting Scripture because the law is "holy, just, and good" - it's not a curse.

"Jesus has redeemed us from the CURSE of THE LAW"

"The Law is the power of SIN.... The power of SIN is the LAW"

THe born again are "not under THE LAW, but under Grace'.

"Christ is the END OF THE LAW.........for Righteousness, to everyone who BELIEVES"

 

[Johann]

"Jesus has redeemed us from the CURSE of THE LAW"

"The Law is the power of SIN.... The power of SIN is the LAW"

THe born again are "not under THE LAW, but under Grace'.

"Christ is the END OF THE LAW.........for Righteousness, to everyone who BELIEVES"

"for apart from the Law sin is dead" Sin is rebellion against God's will (cf. Rom. 4:15; 5:13; 1 Cor. 15:56). There is no verb in this phrase; one must be supplied. If one supplies a present tense, it implies that this is a universal principle. If one supplies an aorist tense, it referred to Paul's life specifically.

7:9 "I was once alive" This could refer to Paul as (1) a child during the age of innocence (i.e., before Bar Mitzvah) or (2) as a committed Pharisee before the truth of the gospel broke into his heart (cf. Acts 23:1; Phil. 3:6; 2 Tim. 1:3). The first represents "the autobiographical theory" of interpretation of Romans 7 and the second "the representative theory" of interpretation of Romans 7.

"when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died" Mankind's rebellious spirit is energized by prohibitions. The "do not" of God's Law triggers the self-directing pride of fallen humanity (cf. Gen. 2:16-17; 3:1-6). Notice how sin continues to be personified, as in Rom. 5:21 and 7:8,11,17,20.

7:10 "the commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me" This is probably a reference to the promise of Lev. 18:5; Deut. 4:1; or possibly Rom. 2:13. The Law promised what it could not fulfill, not because it was sinful, but because humanity is weak and rebellious. The Law became a death sentence (cf. Gal. 3:13; Eph. 2:15; Col. 2:14).

7:11 "deceived me and through it killed me" These are both aorist active indicative verbs. This term, "deceived," is used of the serpent deceiving Eve in the Septuagint (LXX) of Gen. 3:13. Paul uses this verb several times (cf. Rom. 16:18; 1 Cor. 3:18; 2 Cor. 11:3; 2 Thess. 2:3; 1 Tim. 2:14). Adam and Eve's problem was also coveting (cf. 2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Tim. 2:14). Adam and Eve died spiritually by disobeying God's command (now revealed in the Law, cf. 1 Cor. 15:56), and so did Paul and so do all humans (1:18-3:20).

7:12 This is Paul's affirmation of the goodness of the Law. It is not the problem. However Paul's parallel structure, using "sin" in Romans 6 and "law" in Romans 7, must have upset the legalistic Jewish believers (the weak of Rom. 14:1-15:13) in the Roman church.

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: ROMANS 7:13
13Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

7:13

NASB"sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin. . .sin might become utterly sinful"
NKJV"sin, that it might appear sin. . .might become exceedingly sinful"
NRSV"that sin might be shown to be sin. . .sinful beyond measure"
TEV"in order that its true nature as sin might be revealed"
NJB"sin, to show itself in its true colors. . .was able to exercise all its sinful power"

Sin's evil nature is clearly seen in the fact that it took something as good, wholesome, and godly as the Mosaic Law (cf. Ps. 19, 119) and twisted it into an instrument of condemnation and death (cf. Eph. 2:15; Col. 2:14). Fallen mankind has taken every good gift God has given beyond its God-given bounds!

Notice the two hina (purpose) clauses translated "in order that" and "so that." Prepositions clarify the author's purpose!

"utterly sinful" Rom. 1:30. Sin is personified to show the personal nature of evil. See

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: ROMANS 7:14-20
14For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

7:14 "the Law is spiritual" God's Law is good. It is not the problem (cf. Rom. 7:12 & 16b).

"I am of flesh" This term is used by Paul in (1) a neutral sense meaning physical body (cf. Rom. 1:3; 2:28; 4:1; 9:3,5); and (2) a negative sense meaning mankind's fallen nature in Adam (cf. Rom. 7:5). It is uncertain which is being referred to here.

"sold into bondage to sin" This is a perfect passive participle meaning "I have been and continue to be sold into bondage to sin." Sin is again personified, here as a slave owner. The agent of the passive voice is uncertain. It could refer to Satan, sin, Paul, or God.

In the OT the major term for God drawing mankind back to Himself was "ransom" or "redeem" (and their synonyms). It originally meant "to buy back" (and its synonyms. The opposite concept is the phrase used here, "sold into the hands of. . ." (cf. Jdgs. 4:2; 10:7; 1 Sam. 12:9).

7:15-24 The child of God has "the divine nature" (cf. 2 Pet. 1:4), but also the fallen nature (cf. Gal. 5:17). Potentially, sin is made inoperative (cf. Rom. 6:6), but human experience follows Romans 7. The Jews say that in every man's heart is a black and a white dog. The one he feeds the most is the one that becomes biggest.

As I read this passage I experientially feel the pain of Paul as he describes the daily conflict of our two natures. Believers have been freed from their fallen nature, but, God help us, we continue to yield to its lure. It is often surprisingly true that the intense spiritual warfare begins after salvation. Maturity is a tension-filled daily fellowship with the Triune God and a daily conflict with evil (cf. Rom. 8:12-25,26; Gal. 5:16-18; Eph. 6:10-18; Col. 3:5-10; see J. D. G. Dunn, Jesus and the Spirit).

In what "sense" is Christ Jesus the end of "the law"

 

[Behold]

In what "sense" is Christ Jesus the end of "the law"

He fulfilled the Law, in our place, = by becoming one of us..... so that we can be released from its dominion, as the law is a curse that defines us as a sinner, which is why judgement is due us.
Christ FREED us from that "curse of the law", Johann, by fulfilling the law that God requires and then dying on the Cross for the eternal Judgement due all of us who broke the law and commandments.

End Result....= the born again..... are "not under the Law, but under Grace".

 

[Johann]

He fulfilled the Law so that we can be released from its dominion.

= "not under the Law, but under Grace".

So we are "lawless citizens"

 

[Behold]

So we are "lawless citizens"

The born again are "heavenly citizens".

We are Joined to God.

We exist in the "Kingdom of GOD"......and there is no LAW or COMMANDMENTS in Heaven.

The Born again are "translated from darkness....to LIGHT".

Darkness is unbelief and being under the law.

LIGHT is to become a part of God's existence, having been JOINED to God and Christ = Spiritually.

The born again now exist, not under the law, but "IN CHRISTj"", and there is no Moses law found there or in heaven, or in God.

The LAW is for THIS EARTH, and unbelievers.
Its not designed for the Born again.
Its designed to show you that you are unrighteous and need to go to the CROSS and receive "the GIFT of Righteousness.""

The law demands righteousness and we have NONE.
So, it leads us to the Cross so that God can give us "the Gift of Righteousness"

Now all the born again are "NOT UNDER THE LAW......but under GRACE"

= the result that the Law has become our tutor and our disciplinarian to guide us to Christ, so that we may be justified [that is, declared free of the guilt of sin and its penalty, and placed in right standing with God] by faith.


King James Bible
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

New King James Version
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

 

[Johann]

The born again are "heavenly citizens".

We are Joined to God.

We exist in the "Kingdom of GOD"......and there is no LAW or COMMANDMENTS in Heaven.

The Born again are "translated from darkness....to LIGHT".

Darkness is unbelief and being under the law.

LIGHT is to become a part of God's existence, having been JOINED to God and Christ = Spiritually.

The born again now exist, not under the law, but "IN CHRISTj"", and there is no Moses law found there or in heaven, or in God.

The LAW is for THIS EARTH, and unbelievers.
Its not designed for the Born again.
Its designed to show you that you are unrighteous and need to go to the CROSS and receive "the GIFT of Righteousness.""

The law demands righteousness and we have NONE.
So, it leads us to the Cross so that God can give us "the Gift of Righteousness"

Now all the born again are "NOT UNDER THE LAW......but under GRACE"

= the result that the Law has become our tutor and our disciplinarian to guide us to Christ, so that we may be justified [that is, declared free of the guilt of sin and its penalty, and placed in right standing with God] by faith.


King James Bible
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

New King James Version
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

PAUL'S VIEWS OF THE MOSAIC LAW

It is good and is from God (cf. Rom. 7:12,16).

A. It is not the way to righteousness and acceptance by God (it can even be a curse, cf. Galatians. 3).

B. It is still God's will for believers because it is God's self-revelation (Paul often quotes the OT to convict and/or encourage believers).

C. Believers are informed by the OT (cf. Rom. 4:23-24; 15:4; 1 Cor. 10:6,11), but not saved by the OT (cf. Acts 15; Romans 4; Galatians 3; Hebrews). It functions in sanctification but not justification.

D. It functions in the new covenant to:

1. show sinfulness (cf. Gal. 3:15-29)

2. guide redeemed mankind in society

3. inform Christian ethical decisions

It is this theological spectrum related to the Law, from cursing (cf. Gal. 3:10-13) and passing away to blessing and permanency that causes the problem in trying to understand Paul's view of the Mosaic Law. In A Man in Christ, James Stewart shows Paul's paradoxical thinking and writing:

"You would normally expect a man who was setting himself to construct a system of thought and doctrine to fix as rigidly as possible the meanings of the terms he employed. You would expect him to aim at precision in the phraseology of his leading ideas. You would demand that a word, once used by your writer in a particular sense, should bear that sense throughout. But to look for this from Paul is to be disappointed. Much of his phraseology is fluid, not rigid. . . 'The law is holy' he writes, 'I delight in the law of God after the inward man' (cf. Rom. 7:12,22) but it is clearly another aspect of nomos that makes him say elsewhere, 'Christ had redeemed us from the curse of the law' (cf. Gal. 3:13)" (p. 26).

THE MOSAIC LAW AND THE CHRISTIAN

A. The Law is inspired Scripture and is eternal (cf. Matt. 5:17-19).

B. The Law as a way of salvation is void and has always been, but mankind had to see that his/her own efforts were futile (cf. Matt. 5:20, 48; Rom. 7:7-12; Gal. 3:1ff; James 2:10).

C. The gospel of Christ is the only way to God (cf. John 14:6; Rom. 3:21; Gal. 2:15-21; Heb. 8:12).

D. The Old Testament is still helpful to believers as God's will for humans in society (esp. "The Ten Words"), but not as the way of salvation (i.e., it functions in sanctification but not in justification). The cultus of Israel (sacrificial system, holy days, civic and religious laws) has passed away but God still speaks through the OT. The stipulations mentioned in Acts 15:20 refer only to fellowship issues, not to salvation.

E. the crucial texts about the OT and its relationship to NT believers are

1. the Jerusalem Council of Acts 15

2. the theological summary of the gospel message in Galatians 3

3. the comparison of the Mosaic Covenant (OT) with the New Covenant of Jesus (NT) is the book of Hebrews. It uses several categories to illustrate the superiority of the NT.

 

[Behold]

PAUL'S VIEWS OF THE MOSAIC LAW

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PAUL'S view of the Law of Moses is that its "DUNG", if you try to use it as how you BELIEVE you are accepted by God.

= So, the Law is Holy, the Commands are pure and holy.....but if a person tries to use them, as...> """if i do the law, keep the commandments" then GOD will accept me...""""

In THAT Case, the person is trying to be SAVED by the Law and Commandments, which DENIES THE CROSS and CHRIST as God's "Redemption"

A.) = Law and commandment keeping as Salvation, is Grace Rejecting, Cross denying, heresy.

So, there is the "DUNG".
Its that belief system, as Paul teaches in Philippians 3:8

And then he explains it this way..

""""""and may be found in Christ [believing and relying on Him], not having any righteousness of my own derived from [my obedience to] the LAW and its rituals, but [possessing] that = [genuine righteousness] which comes only = through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of FAITH."""""

"faith is Counted as Righteousness".

"Justification by FAITH"..without works or deeds of the law """

 

[Phoneman777]

"Jesus has redeemed us from the CURSE of THE LAW"

If a cop writes a speeder a ticket, but then redeems the speeder from suffering the penalty of a costly fine by paying the fine for him, which has the cop redeemed him from:

1. suffering the penalty of having to pay a costly fine
2. his obligation to obey traffic laws

See, as ridiculous as the 2 sounds, that's exactly what you teach, right or wrong?

"The Law is the power of SIN.... The power of SIN is the LAW"

Yes, because the only way lawbreaking can take place is if a law exists - abolish the law, and there can't be any lawbreaking.

THe born again are "not under THE LAW, but under Grace'.

The grace of a traffic cop is not a license to disregard the speed lim

"Christ is the END OF THE LAW.........for Righteousness, to everyone who BELIEVES"

If you really believe the Cross made the Ten Commandments cease to exist, then openly declare that a Satan worshiper will go to heaven with a crack pipe in his mouth, a bottle of whisky in each hand, and a prostitute under each arm - as long as he "believes" in Jesus.

 

[Ritajanice]

....God has declared us righteous....in Jesus Name...Amen!

Got answer.

One of the wonderful truths of Scripture is found in Romans 8:1: “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.”

In his letter to the Romans, Paul presents the importance of the good news of Jesus Christ (Romans 1:16–17). We need this good news because all people, in their sin, are under condemnation (Romans 1:18—3:20). Paul then explains the gospel (Romans 3:21—4:25) and what it means to no longer be under condemnation, describing the implications of being declared righteous by God (Romans 5—8). He concludes this section of the epistle by affirming the eternality of the righteousness given by God and asserts that there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1). Paul adds an example of the trustworthiness of God (Romans 9—11) and challenges believers in Christ to behave in a manner consistent with their new position of righteousness in Christ (Romans 12—16).

The need for salvation is universal because of our connection to Adam and his sin. Adamfell, his nature became sinful, and all humanity bears his image and likeness (Genesis 5). All people born of Adam are naturally under condemnation and separated from God like Adam was (Romans 5:12–15). But Paul explains that those who have believed in Christ are now positionally in Christ. They are justified, or declared righteous, by grace through the redemption in Christ (Romans 3:24), and they are now alive in Christ Jesus (Romans 6:11). They have eternal life (Romans 6:23). Elsewhere, Paul emphasizes that the one believing in Jesus now has a new identity in Christ (Ephesians 1:3–14). Where there was once condemnation by God, there is now justification by God. There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

The believer’s new position, received by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9), cannot be taken away. Once God declares someone righteous, no one can correctly accuse that person or justly condemn him (Romans 8:31–34). There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross, He took our condemnation upon Himself; He took the punishment that was due us all (1 Peter 3:18). All who believe in Him have eternal life (John 6:47) and are no longer condemned by God.

It is worth noting that the KJV and some other translations contain an added clause in Romans 8:1: “who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit” (Romans 8:1, KJV). In the context, Paul explains that those who believe in Christ are those who walk by the Spirit, and the evidence of that is that they have the Spirit of God in them (Romans 8:9). Even if the added words in the KJV are not original to verse 1, the same truth (that we walk in the Spirit) is communicated in Romans 8:4 and Romans 8:9. Those who “walk after the Spirit” are those who are “in Christ”; these are two ways of describing the same thing. In other words, the statement of Romans 8:1that there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus is not conditional. Once someone has believed in Christ, he is in Christ and can never be separated from the love of Christ, as Paul explains in Romans 8:38–39. No created thing (including an individual) can separate anyone from the love of God that is in Christ. When Paul affirms that there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1), we can be confident of our secure position in Christ.