You want her to stay focused on the fact that you said you are a sinner and will always sin?
That's great Theology and yet, only the Devil would tell someone to be the same.
You are getting worse, not better, in the last 4 days.
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You want her to stay focused on the fact that you said you are a sinner and will always sin?
That's great Theology and yet, only the Devil would tell someone to be the same.
You are getting worse, not better, in the last 4 days.
Notice that the verse is defining the born again as "does not commit sin", and the sinner is the child of the devil.
What does that mean?
It means that the born again, is the born again Spirit, and that is the "one who does not sin"., as the born again Spirit is "one with God" "In Christ".
That is not the mind or the body......., and you have to get that, you have to see that, reader., as its the born again Spirit, that is the "child of God" and the "new Creation in Christ".
The Born again, are joined to God, and "God is A Spirit".
See that?
Whereas the unbeliever, is not the born again spirit, they are the dead spirit, still separated from God, in the dying body, that has their sin.
They are IN sin, have sin, and are sinners.
The born again are not any of this...ever again.
Yes, do you know when I became born again....all of my sins were forgiven by God.....I remember it, like it were yesterday, I do not have to confess my sins...neither do I have to beat myself up when I throw a tantrum....get on my knees and ask forgiveness...I don’t do that either.
I have listened to too many false teachers....but, their teaching did not penetrate my heart.
I do not sin in the eyes of God as I explained above....I am born again and am made “perfect” through Christ.
Only Christ can bring perfection to his children.by birthing them in the Spirit ..I am a Saint.......there is NO
condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. None!
And yes....I NO longer sin!!...how can I...if the Holy Spirit indwells my spirit.
Phew at last the truth.
My opinion and belief.
ChristisGod
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ChristisGod
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That is an oxymoron.
Did Ananias and Sapphira sin in the eyes of God and were struck dead in Acts 5 ?
Did many become sick and others die for the sin of not discerning the Lords Supper in 1 Corinthians 11 ?
Does God disciples those He loves for their sins in Hebrews 12 ?
A born again does not sin ,in the eyes of God.....their sins past present and future are forgiven.
We are in the Spirit and learn to live by the Spirit.
We are in the world but we are not of the world.
We are in the Kingdom of God......He bought us for a price...Jesus paid that price for our sin and we have been set free from Sin.
Only the Spirit of Christ can set us free from Sin....in Jesus Name....Amen.
The Spirit of Christ lives in my spirit....he births us in the Spirit.....we belong to God and we are his spiritual children......
We are his workmanship and we are not our own.....we walk the walk and we talk the talk..
My belief and opinion.
ChristisGod
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Then why Did God Judge those I mentioned who had their lives taken away from this earth by God ?
Looks like God judged their sins. If they were forgiven then there would be no judgement, consequences and condemnation for those sins which caused their death.
And if any so-called believer is practicing sin they are of the world as John teaches throughout his 1st epistle.
Johann
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You have a knack of twisting every word I say-do I have issues like that of unbelievers, living in a state of willful sin? NO.
Or do I miss the mark, as a born from above, in word and thought? YES.
Let's turn the tables-do YOU sin?
As to your contemptuous remarks about me, that is flying over my head-would you listen that my very same minister confessed that he is NOT perfect since the battle is in the mind?
Why don't you come and visit me, face to face, see how I live, since you think I "fleece" who knows what.
Will see how you respond-do YOU sin?
We ..their sins have been forgiven and are hidden in Christ....
We have been spiritually birthed in the Spirit......we are children and heirs with Christ....
Only a born again can see the Kingdom of Heaven....that scripture speaks exactly what it’s saying.
Only a Born Again will see the Kingdom of Heaven.
My only concern are my rewards in Heaven..not judgement...
As God’s true word says.......” only a born again “ will see the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Johann
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There's a difference between living in a state of sin/practicing as opposed to miss the mark on occasions, I don't justify or advocate sinning as unbelievers, so why the questions?
1- Believers in the N.T. are called saints, holy ones and not sinners. Do you disagree ?
We are not sinners. Unbelievers are sinners, because they are not born again.
The Born again, exist" in Christ".. and there is no sin found 'In Christ".
We, the born again, are also.
Heirs of God
Joint Heirs with Jesus
Redeemed.
Made Righteous
Seated in heavenly places
Temple of the Holy Spirit
The Body of Christ
2- Where can you justify sin as if its OK outside of Romans 7 ?
WE, you and I and the human race, can't justify Sin.
God however, has forgiven our sin, based on the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
He has taken all our sin and "God hath made Jesus to BE OUR SIN", and now we are "made free from Sin".
Proof?
The born again are joined to God and Christ......How can you be Joined to God who is Holy, and Jesus who is Righteousness, and have sin or be a sinner??
Welcome Home "Saint".
Welcome to : SALVATION
Its a "GIFT".
3- Romans 7 should be understood in light of all the other chapters in Romans and the writings of his other epistles, the other Apostles letters and the teaching of Jesus. Do you disagree ?
That Chapter, is a testimony and a teaching, that continues , into ... "Christ always Gives me the Victory" and " I can do all things through Christ"...
Its Paul showing you the wrong mind, that is "law bound" and not Grace Freed.
He was giving the inner view of what happens when you are trying to live the Christian Life, in the mind of the Flesh. "under the law".
The mind of "trying to be good", based on trying to be good. = you cant.
Salvation, is God making you HOLY, without you trying.....God made us RIGHTEOUS< while "we were yet sinners"
That is what Paul taught later, beyond Romans 7., reader. There is more in there !
Most Believers, are STUCK in Romans 7, ...Yet Paul kept going and taught that we are "made free from sin" and are become "the Righteousness of God, in Christ".
Dont get stuck in Romans 7, reader.
Its one of the strongholds of Heresy that the devil will twist into you, using His Deceived.
Its not "Christianity"....Its how to be "fallen from Grace". or "in the Flesh".
4- Did Jesus and the Apostles call believers to be holy, to be obedient ? yes or no
= "be ye holy as God is Holy"
Q.) How can a sinner, be Holy?
A.) God has to die on the Cross for all your sin, and then give you the "Gift of Righteousness", so that you become Holy, forever, based on the Cross of Christ.
You've been studying and hearing the word.
Do you teach Sunday School yet?
Get up there. You have the Light they need.
Shine it.
Recently, you libel me or accuse me falsely, then tell me to have a good day and leave.
Then you come back and deny what you did, and create some new excuse.
Listen, your VIDEO TEACHER, says that Paul teaches......."Sinless Perfection".
Yet, you curse that phrase, you hate that phrase, you despise, the concept of Sinless Perfection, that your minister, in your video, said that Paul Teaches.
You just accused me of the same...........of being it.........which is to teach it..........and i have never used that phrase in over 30 + yrs of teaching, regarding myself.
See, this idea of SP........was not created by a true believer.....Its actually an assault against the Grace of God, that is the same idea as "OSAS".
They are the same deceiver's concept, that is designed to nullify the correct understanding of being "made righteous".
Those 2 phrases are designed to get the believer to view the Grace of God, as "license"., by subverting the correct understanding of being "made righteous".
ChristisGod
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Ephesians 4:22-24
You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
1 Peter 1:14-15
As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”
Romans 6:22
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the fruit you reap leads to holiness, and the outcome is eternal life.
1 Thessalonians 4:7
For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
Matthew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart,for they will see God.
Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
1 Peter 1:14-15
As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”
Romans 6:22
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the fruit you reap leads to holiness, and the outcome is eternal life.
1 Thessalonians 4:7
For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
Matthew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart,for they will see God.
Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
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Johann
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Yet it is implied, in all your posts-why not answering my question to you, white-washed tomb-full of subtlety/kafir-
Do YOU sin, in word, thought and deed?!
Yes/No?
Hebrews 12:6 is not about sin correction. We are not disciplined for sin, because Jesus has already been Killed on the Cross for our sin.
Hebrews 12:6, is to deliver you into more inner holiness... Its a situation that refines you to be more Christ-Like.
Its the purging of some inner stronghold you have..... a wrong desire needs to go, that is rooted.
God targets this, and the effect of the removal can really really hurt. "Grievous".
Whipping you for sin, doesn't solve sin........just like it didnt solve it when your parents disciplined you.
You just learned to hide it better, next time.
Also, ananias and sapphira, were not born again.
They were trying to fool the believers, and get some Freebies.
They died trying that trick.
Johann
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I dont imply "sinless perfection" as your teacher states incorrectly that Paul teaches.
The only answer i can give you that is the truth, about sin, is that the born again,.. i am one of those, are "made free from Sin".
There is no sin in Christ, and im in Christ.
The answer to your question, wont be discovered by your Minister, as He's only able to talk about the deliverance, but can't explain the deliverance.
He shows you the end of the journey, but can't give you the map to get there.
Many are like this...
He said he does not sin, because "He does not want to make God unhappy".
So, you should ask Him, why he said "he does not sin"., as you think everyone is sinning.
Ask Him about that....
See, for the born again, to be a sinner, they would have to be the "Old man of sin" who is "crucified with Christ".
Im not that as He's DEAD.
No born again person is that one, anymore.
Here are ALL the born again.....
= "As CHRIST IS... = so are the born again, in THIS WORLD".
So, .. .is Christ a sinner, sinning?
Look at the verse, and find the answer to you question, Johann., and share it with your Minister.
He needs to know.
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