Spiritual Israelite
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But, you say they can die, don't you? If so, that means they have mortal bodies. I am not going to accept you redefining words. That goes over the line for me.It's not a mortal body.
What is your last statement here based on? Why would you not believe that resurrected saints will have immortal bodies just like Jesus has?This is what I believe - and it's not the traditional theology or understanding of the church, or of pre-millennialists, and I'm probably going to be called a heretic by some posters here, soon, because you've never heard this "theology" before:
Firstly, bear in mind that I do not see in scripture either the thousand years or the NHNE as commencing before the return of Christ, but neither do I see the NHNE as commencing only a thousand years after the return of Christ, nor do I see mortals after the return of Christ in the NHNE or the first millennium following the return of Christ.
Note: Only Christ (Creator) is immortal in the sense of never being able to die a 2nd death:
-- He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen. --- (1 Timothy 6:15-16, NETfree version).
The bodies of resurrected saints will be as immortal as Adam's body was before he sinned and became mortal. Adam was immortal before he sinned and began to die:
What is your understanding of this passage:
1 John 3:1 See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
Resurrected saints sinning again, etc. I'm sorry, but I can't make any sense out of anything you're saying here. To the point where I don't even know how to respond to this other than to say I completely disagree with everything you're saying here.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
".. you will most definitely die." (Genesis 2:17).
"You will NOT most definitely die. You will be like God" (who alone is immortal, and cannot die). (Genesis 3:3-4).
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1. Death:
Mankind's first death is Adam's death. It came to all the children of Adam:
Through one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as all sinned Romans 5:12
2. Resurrection:
Mankind both has already, and will yet experience one resurrection from death - Christ's resurrection, which takes place in Him just as much as death took place in Adam:
-- I am the Resurrection and the Life! He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die -- John 11:25
3. 2nd death
The 2nd death will be experienced by those who had been resurrected, but turn away at the close of the millennium (like Adam did in the Garden of Eden),
because mankind is a created being. We cannot be immortal in the same sense as Christ's immortality. The bodies of resurrected saints will be as immortal as Adam's body was before he sinned and became mortal. Resurrected saints can become mortal again, and die a 2nd death. We are not the Creator.
Whoever lives and believes in Jesus shall never die. Only those who live and believe in Jesus shall never die (John 11:25-26). Not those who turn later.
So I believe that at the close of the (literal) millennium some resurrected saints will sin again, and follow Satan. They will turn and follow Satan just like Adam did in the Garden of Eden.
I do not see in scripture either the thousand years or the NHNE as commencing before the return of Christ, but neither do I see the NHNE as commencing only a thousand years after the return of Christ, nor do I see mortals after the return of Christ in the NHNE or the millennium.