Mental Disorder of LGBT: Analysis - Spiritual, Political and Scientific

[TinMan]

I'd say quite a bit. Give it some thought. Maybe it'll come to you.

Well let's think about the claim that school children are being taught to consider being transgender.

Lets start by looking at a few examples of schools in actively tell kids in class that they should be trans...






Well there doesn't seem to be any.

So what is the claim that school children are being taught to consider being transgender based on?

The short answer is "nothing"

The longer answer seems to have to do with the long tradition of falsely implying or explicitly claiming that LGBT people are pedophiles who are preying on children. Such accusations have a long history in the U.S. For decades, anti-LGBT figures and groups have falsely accused LGBT people of molesting children and being sympathetic to child predators in order to demonize the community and resist advances in civil rights. Research has repeatedly shown that LGBT people far less likely to molest children.

Currently the buzz word is grooming and it is used for the same goals. It was summed up in March by conservative talk show host Jesse Kelly wrote that, “Republicans, you have everything on your side on this issue. Do not avoid it. Run on it. Demand your opponent respond to questions about it. Call them groomers and pedophiles if they oppose it. Put THEM on the defensive. Make THEM afraid. Use it to destroy your enemy.”

 

[TinMan]

HE is lying to you my friend . They are teaching kids they can be any sex they believe themselves to be .

Evidence?


Well still none.

Not to mention they are even trying to pass laws that would make it ILLEGAL for parents to REFUSE sex change
or hormone related treatments .

Evidence?

 

[Wrangler]

Lets start by looking at a few examples of schools in actively tell kids in class that they should be trans...

Well there doesn't seem to be any.

Cultural Marxists always invent a standard. IF there is no gay agenda, why are gays upset about the Florida law not teaching gay in schools?

 

[Instant]

There is no way that we will turn the hearts of everyone right, because men desire to live according to the flesh, but here are some things to consider about the LGBTQ agenda. They are trying to normalize something that is not normal. The fact of the matter is, more than 96 percent of the population is heterosexual, but they gay community is so in our face, they make it appear they are more in number than they are. Homosexuality is clearly a disorder because it goes against the biological reason for sex which is pro-creation.

In addition to homosexuality being a disorder, it is a sin. In the Old Testament, God calls it an abomination, and in Romans chapter one of the New Testament, God says those in the gay lifestyle have a reprobate mind. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, we are told effeminate men will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. These are facts.

Homosexuality is one of the few sins that is celebrated. We do not celebrate Pride in Adultery Month or Bank Robber Celebration Week, but we have Gay Pride Month. Heterosexuals do not celebrate being straight. We just are. Why does anyone want to have their entire existence defined by their sexual preferences? I have never understood that.

I really do not expect that anything I can say will turn hardcore believes in the LGBTQ lifestyle away from it. Even so, it would be nice if everyone would at least acknowledge that the things I said are true. We should not be celebrating sin. If a person wants to live in sin, that is their right, and Jesus is longsuffering to a point, but once this life is over, that is it, and we have no promise of tomorrow. No matter what we have done, if we repent and trust in Christ, we can be forgiven, but if we do not believe in Jesus and repent, we will suffer eternal damnation, protected minority classes included.

 

[TinMan]

There is no way that we will turn the hearts of everyone right, because men desire to live according to the flesh, but here are some things to consider about the LGBTQ agenda.

What agenda exactly?

They are trying to normalize something that is not normal. The fact of the matter is, more than 96 percent of the population is heterosexual,

Most people are right handed
The vast majority of people have brown eyes
Most people don't need wheel chairs
Most aren't Jewish

Minorities are normal

but they gay community is so in our face, they make it appear they are more in number than they are.

When you say in your face do you mean they aren't hiding in fear of their lives? That they don't accept being discriminated against? that they confront lies told about them

Homosexuality is clearly a disorder because it goes against the biological reason for sex which is pro-creation.

So is anyone who is infertile. Why aren't you railing against them.

In addition to homosexuality being a disorder, it is a sin. In the Old Testament, God calls it an abomination, and in Romans chapter one of the New Testament, God says those in the gay lifestyle have a reprobate mind. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, we are told effeminate men will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. These are facts.

It's also a fact that the bible list over 90 abominations, most of which modern Christians have no problems with.

It's also a fact that 1 Corinthians 6:9 doesn't say anything like effeminate

Homosexuality is one of the few sins that is celebrated. We do not celebrate Pride in Adultery Month or Bank Robber Celebration Week, but we have Gay Pride Month. Heterosexuals do not celebrate being straight. We just are.

Straight people should be thankful they don't have to.

Why does anyone want to have their entire existence defined by their sexual preferences? I have never understood that.

It's not a preference

I really do not expect that anything I can say will turn hardcore believes in the LGBTQ lifestyle away from it.

If you ran into someone talking about Christian people in the same way as you are talking about LGBT people would you listen?

Even so, it would be nice if everyone would at least acknowledge that the things I said are true.

But they are not true

 

[Instant]

What agenda exactly?

Most people are right handed
The vast majority of people have brown eyes
Most people don't need wheel chairs
Most aren't Jewish

Minorities are normal

When you say in your face do you mean they aren't hiding in fear of their lives? That they don't accept being discriminated against? that they confront lies told about them

So is anyone who is infertile. Why aren't you railing against them.

It's also a fact that the bible list over 90 abominations, most of which modern Christians have no problems with.

It's also a fact that 1 Corinthians 6:9 doesn't say anything like effeminate

Straight people should be thankful they don't have to.

It's not a preference

If you ran into someone talking about Christian people in the same way as you are talking about LGBT people would you listen?

But they are not true

By in my face, I mean in the streets having parades, filing lawsuits against businesses that don't want to make cakes for their weddings, flying flags, declaring a month "Gay pride month," stuff like that

Their agenda is to force everyone to accept them, even when the Bible speaks against them.

While it is true that some are infertile, they are engaging in something that is biologically natural when they are heterosexual.

What are the 90 abominations? Perhaps I can clear this matter up if I see them.

1 Corinthians 6:9,10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Nobody's identity should be defined by their sexual desires. Drunkards do not choose to be drunks, but we do not celebrate them. Kleptomaniacs do not choose to desire to steal, but we don't celebrate them. Pedophiles don't choose their attractions, but they are criminals if they act on their desires.

My concern is not who will listen to me. I am just telling the truth, whether you agree or not.

 

[TinMan]

By in my face, I mean in the streets having parades, filing lawsuits against businesses that don't want to make cakes for their weddings, flying flags, declaring a month "Gay pride month," stuff like that

A lawsuit is the consequence of discrimination. The same consequence if that business didn't want to make cakes for the weddings of black people.

Their agenda is to force everyone to accept them, even when the Bible speaks against them.

This school board president addresses your claim better than I ever could.

While it is true that some are infertile, they are engaging in something that is biologically natural when they are heterosexual.

This is called special pleading. Look it up

What are the 90 abominations? Perhaps I can clear this matter up if I see them.

Read your bible

1 Corinthians 6:9,10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

The Greek word for effeminate (meaning soft) is malakos which doesn't appear in that verse, it is a very recent addition.

Nobody's identity should be defined by their sexual desires.

But that is exactly what you are doing.

Drunkards do not choose to be drunks, but we do not celebrate them. Kleptomaniacs do not choose to desire to steal, but we don't celebrate them. Pedophiles don't choose their attractions, but they are criminals if they act on their desires.

and none of these actions is comparable to being LGBT

Would you listen to

My concern is not who will listen to me. I am just telling the truth, whether you agree or not.

How would you respond to being personally compared to drug addicts and child molesters?

 

[Instant]

A lawsuit is the consequence of discrimination. The same consequence if that business didn't want to make cakes for the weddings of black people.

This school board president addresses your claim better than I ever could.

This is called special pleading. Look it up

Read your bible

The Greek word for effeminate (meaning soft) is malakos which doesn't appear in that verse, it is a very recent addition.

But that is exactly what you are doing.

and none of these actions is comparable to being LGBT

Would you listen to

How would you respond to being personally compared to drug addicts and child molesters?

The minute you said that the word "malakos" was not in that verse, I realized that talking to you is a waste of time. It has been in the Bible from the start, and I have no idea what you mean by "a very recent addition. It is in the Textus Receptus manuscripts, and the word effeminate is in the Geneva Bible and the 1611 KJV Bible. My comparison of things like a pedophile, kleptomania, drunkard, and I will even add a serial killer, to the LGBTQ community is that they cannot help who they are attracted to and their compulsions, so the idea that they did or didn't choose to be gay is meaningless. Also, it matters not if people choose to ignore other abominations, God calls the homosexual lifestyle an abomination, which means disgusting, and I agree with God.

 

[TinMan]

The minute you said that the word "malakos" was not in that verse, I realized that talking to you is a waste of time. It has been in the Bible from the start, and I have no idea what you mean by "a very recent addition. It is in the Textus Receptus manuscripts, and the word effeminate is in the Geneva Bible and the 1611 KJV Bible. My comparison of things like a pedophile, kleptomania, drunkard, and I will even add a serial killer, to the LGBTQ community is that they cannot help who they are attracted to and their compulsions, so the idea that they did or didn't choose to be gay is meaningless. Also, it matters not if people choose to ignore other abominations, God calls the homosexual lifestyle an abomination, which means disgusting, and I agree with God.

Being straight isn't a choice and neither is being gay. But hate is always a choice.

 

[Instant]

This school board president addresses your claim better than I ever could.

I did not address it, but I do not believe the government has any place forcing anyone to do business with anyone. I oppose anti-discrimination laws, and I am glad the Supreme Court now agrees with me that the government cannot force anyone to violate their conscience in doing business with homosexuals. I wouldn't have done it regardless. I would have chosen not to make wedding cakes or photograph any weddings rather than put up with being forced to violate my conscience.

As for the video, why should I care what this woman thinks? As a Bible-believing Christian, I take the position of scripture. That book should be banned, but my view is that if that kind of garbage is allowed in the schools, I would home school rather than expose my kids to it.

 

[Instant]

Being straight isn't a choice and neither is being gay. But hate is always a choice.

And so is choosing to agree with the Bible verses not agreeing with it. I choose to believe it.

 

[TinMan]

I did not address it,

But she did address your sad claim "Their agenda is to force everyone to accept them"
and she did so very well

but I do not believe the government has any place forcing anyone to do business with anyone.

So you support segregation

I oppose anti-discrimination laws, and I am glad the Supreme Court now agrees with me that the government cannot force anyone to violate their conscience in doing business with homosexuals. I wouldn't have done it regardless. I would have chosen not to make wedding cakes or photograph any weddings rather than put up with being forced to violate my conscience.

If you can't treat minorities with simple respect then maybe you shouldn't be in business.

As for the video, why should I care what this woman thinks? As a Bible-believing Christian, I take the position of scripture. That book should be banned, but my view is that if that kind of garbage is allowed in the schools, I would home school rather than expose my kids to it.

Because she is 100% right

 

[TinMan]

And so is choosing to agree with the Bible verses not agreeing with it. I choose to believe it.

Don't blame God for your choice.

 

[Instant]

Don't blame God for your choice.

I choose to believe God is right when he calls the homosexual lifestyle an abomination, which means disgusting, and when he says they have a reprobate mind in Romans chapter one. I also believe God when He says they will have no inheritance in the Kingdom of God.

I really don't know much about you. What is your interest in this topic, and why do you disagree with God's Word? Do you claim to be a Christian? I am making no judgments on that, just asking.

 

[TinMan]

I choose to believe God is right when he calls the homosexual lifestyle an abomination, which means disgusting, and when he says they have a reprobate mind in Romans chapter one. I also believe God when He says they will have no inheritance in the Kingdom of God.

I really don't know much about you. What is your interest in this topic, and why do you disagree with God's Word? Do you claim to be a Christian? I am making no judgments on that, just asking.

I disagree with those who try to use the bible to justify their own personal prejudices.

 

[Instant]

I disagree with those who try to use the bible to justify their own personal prejudices.

I didn't use the Bible for that. When I was a sinner, I absolutely hated homosexuals and wished them dead. As a Christian, I no longer feel hate for them, but I recognize their lifestyle is sinful and they need to repent if they want to go to Heaven. If anything, the Bible caused me to become more tolerant.

 

[TinMan]

I didn't use the Bible for that. When I was a sinner, I absolutely hated homosexuals and wished them dead. As a Christian, I no longer feel hate for them,

Let's see you went off on a nonexistent agenda.
You called them abnormal
You called them sick
You compared them to thieves
You defined an entire minority based on sex
You called an intrinsic and unchanging aspect of people a "preference"
You are upset that they don't hide
Their agenda is to force everyone to accept them, which is just a lie.
You tried to justify your prejudice by invoking the ability to reproduce but you don't want that same justification to apply to anyone else meaning it's not about The ability to reproduce it's just your prejudice.
You compared them to substance abusers.
You compared them to child abusers.
You compared them to thieves (again)
You compared them to pedophiles.
You compared them to serial killers.
You called them disgusting.
You support even glorify discrimination.
You want to ban a book because it told the truth (its interesting that you want people to acknowledge the "truth" but at the same time you wasn't to censor the truth.)


This is hate. At least be honest enough to own what you are engaging in.

 

[Instant]

Let's see you went off on a nonexistent agenda.
You called them abnormal
You called them sick
You compared them to thieves
You defined an entire minority based on sex
You called an intrinsic and unchanging aspect of people a "preference"
You are upset that they don't hide
Their agenda is to force everyone to accept them, which is just a lie.
You tried to justify your prejudice by invoking the ability to reproduce but you don't want that same justification to apply to anyone else meaning it's not about The ability to reproduce it's just your prejudice.
You compared them to substance abusers.
You compared them to child abusers.
You compared them to thieves (again)
You compared them to pedophiles.
You compared them to serial killers.
You called them disgusting.
You support even glorify discrimination.
You want to ban a book because it told the truth (its interesting that you want people to acknowledge the "truth" but at the same time you wasn't to censor the truth.)


This is hate. At least be honest enough to own what you are engaging in.

To say your post is dishonest is an understatement. Homosexuality is a behavior. They are not a minority group. There are some members of the LGBTQ community that are bi-sexual and so it is a preference for some, but all choose to engage in sexual activity. I am not upset they do not hide, but that they are pushing their sinful lifestyle and celebrating it. I am also unhappy they are trying to force anyone to accept them. I said homosexual sex goes against basic biology and you twisted that into me saying it was just because they cannot pro-create. I only brought up substance abuse, pedophiles and serial killers to say they cannot help compulsions which is true. God calls their behavior disgusting, and who am I to disagree with God? I am against any anti-discrimination laws. If we are truly free, we have a right to discriminate. I want to ban a book from schools because it is propaganda for children. If I am showing hate, then God hates gays because he said they are in a lifestyle he calls disgusting. At least admit you are not just at odds with me, but with God, and that is peculiar since you say you are a Christian. I am not going to disagree with God to be politically correct.

 

[Lizbeth]

Well that is a complete lie. The people who were there say its a lie. Robert Spitzer, Melvin Sabshin, Carolyn Robinowitz, Richard Green, Judd Marmor, John Spiegel and whole pile of other people who were involved in the scientific inquiry that showed homosexuality was is nd always has been just a normal variation of human sexuality, like being left handed or having blue eyes. You can read all about the painstaking process they went through and the research conducted.
American Psychiatry and Homosexuality: An Oral History by Jack Dresher and Joseph Merlino
Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis by Ronald Bayer
Changing American Psychiatry A Personal Perspective Melvin Sabshin
Are good places to start. Not that I expect you to actually read anything.
The truth remains that homosexuality was never a mental illness. The truth remains that it was removed from the DSM by unanimous vote no less because there was not one single shred of evidence to say that homosexuality is a mantal illness. and 50 years later, there still isn't one shred of evidence.

Homosexuality is not a normal variation - since God's word says otherwise. He created mankind, so I guess He would know don't you think? Normal is what He created it to be and says it is. Who are we to argue with our Creator? We're just teeny-tiny lumps of molecules with a very brief lifespan flying through a vast universe. What is man that God is mindful of us? And who are you o man to talk back to God?

But I would say it's not entirely a mental illness but a spiritual one as well, ie, it involves demons. The devil comes to steal, kill and destroy. But the good news is that Jesus is able to deliver souls who are ensnared by various lusts. Nobody is condemned for being tempted, but only on acting on the temptation and lust. So the call to come to Christ and deny ourselves and carry our cross and live in purity and cease giving in to temptation is for everyone alike, both homo and heterosexual. The gospel doesn't discriminate. We are to conform to Christ, not to the lying spirit of the world.

 

[Wrangler]

You called them abnormal

Yes, abnormal is the term to use when people act abnormally.