Are the words of Jesus still meant for Christians?

[Eternally Grateful]

It's been peaceful here for a while before disruptions and disrupters come to curtail our freedom in Christ. If you read through the thread you will see how other spirits come to take away the truth. Spirits of accusation, manipulation, disruption and all manner of ill-intent.

It's normal that the truth be attacked. Those who lack any depth of faith will be used to do so. They will think that the ideas come from them. The war is real.

in order for truth to be attacked, it must first be truth..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The ego trusts in the carnal mind of the outer man. If ear tickling preachers present an ideological scheme that caters to that kind of mind...using the bible to back it up through misinterpretation....then the very arrogance and certainty that this engenders leads people to think they can use whatever means that the carnal mind possesses to make their point.

A tree is known of its fruit.

says the man with one of the biggest ego's I have ever seen.. from one chatroom to another..

again, You should not talk about peoples pride when you refuse to humble yourself

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen! Remaining humble, honest, and faithful will always be a challenge and one made harder when accusers come to bait believers into reacting in the same way back to them...in the flesh.

Because this is a public forum...I have to respond to the false advertizing...the fake news, as it were, of those who seek to denigrate not only me as a person...but also the gospel.

But it is ok for you to accuse others?

Your hypocricy is amazing epi.. just amazing

 

[St. SteVen]

Paul in Galatians 3 spoke of Moses law or the law given to moses by God

The law that God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses.

Please check out this topic. (link below) I would love to hear/read your views on this. thanks.

Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

- What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L) - What's the difference between the law and God's law? - What's the difference between the law, God's law, and Christ's law? The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things. Agree, or disagree? Points...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This thread is your treatise on ‘being judged as you judge others.’ By your own definition of ‘goading’ in your attempt to call out what you perceive as his error as I’m calling out yours, aren’t you goading him?

We would be left with a site where correction is not permitted.

he has been this way for years.. in many chatrooms.. It is not just in this one..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm correcting him....his outer man. I'm always hopeful that carnal believers will humble themselves to see beyond the limits of their own egos...into an eternal realm of possibilities found in Christ.

There is a difference between engaging a doctrine or position....and attacking the person.

What is hard to differentiate between with SO MANY is the certainty of religious ideology...and the truth. I'm confident in the truth...not based on what serves me...but what I know from God. Can just anyone see that? Of course not. Only those who have been likewise allowed into the kingdom realm will be able to see the difference with any kind of accuracy.

So then let people be as certain as they want to be. Judgment is coming.

You need corrected yourself my friend.

don;t try to remove the spec when you have a log..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus said that many will come into Him by another way...through ideology, or a false gospel. Not through the front door...not through the narrow way. He calls these thieves.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that enters not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Jesus is coming back to these as a thief in the night...to take away all their certainties, lies, and accusations that these thieves add to the assemblies. He is coming to take back what is His.

You teaching the wide gate, that we get to god by what we do, by how good we are. by walking in him.

Not that we come like the tax collector. unable to even look up. and cry out for Gods mercy.

to many want to pump their chests.. and thank God they are not like that tax collector.

well the tax collector when to heaven, the pharisee did not (unless he repented)

there is still hope..;

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Proverbs 3:5-6

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Yes

trust the lord

Not trust men..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The truth is not about what suits you. You have to go beyond that kind of superficiality in your reading of the bible.

Unlike my detractors, I always base biblical doctrines by seeing from multiple angles ...both from the OT and the NT...from prophecy to fulfillment. I can't help it if people want to have a superficial understanding. I can't impart the same care I take to have God confirm His word.

That one verse has many others that say the same thing.

Here is another example among too many to list.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

There seems to be a great difficulty in reading what the bible says by so many. Either no one is saved in the world or everyone. No balance. Only an argumentative slant based on an extremist view. The modern church has not yet discovered balance. This could be remedied but for the many ego ministries that have lifted up the carnal religious man...rather than consigning him to the cross.

Whoever doesn't understand how God sees righteousness...needs to start over and read the bible with an open mind and an open heart. An arduous process...but a necessary one to avoid iniquity and future judgment.

Remember that the Pharisees also said they saw (understood)...when they didn't.

How does God see righteousness?

Romans 3:
9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.


10 As it is written:

“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open [d]tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become [e]guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

God’s Righteousness Through Faith​

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all [f]and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified [g]freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a [h]propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Oh that's right, that is Paul.. Lets reject Paul.

Was it not Jesus who said there is no one good but God?

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
If you slip off the road...
it's too late for guardrails. You need a tow truck. - LOL
I think you mean God's law, not "the law". (given to Moses)
Check out my topic on the subject. Thanks.

Paul in Galatians 3 spoke of Moses law or the law given to moses by God

In my view, "God's law" and "the law" that God gave to the Israelites alone
through Moses are two different, but similar things.

1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law),
so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.
I have become all things to all people so that
by all possible means I might save some.

Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

- What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L) - What's the difference between the law and God's law? - What's the difference between the law, God's law, and Christ's law? The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things. Agree, or disagree? Points...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are not being honest here. Was John writing to the followers of Judaism...or can we see he is speaking to believers in Christ?

You are as slippery as an eel.

If you don't want to be honest before God...stay as you are.

so propitiation of sin is not for the whole world. Gentiles as well as Jews?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As per @ Lizbeth

Lizbeth said



" Meaning the propitiation for sins was not for the Jews only but for the Gentiles (world/nations) as well. There are scriptures that need to be looked at from the perspective of Israel, since it was to the Jew first."


Since the dishonesty around here is never challenged I thought to expose the darkness by showing how twisted a thought process can be...when it suits the flesh.

To @ Lizbeth's claim that 1 John 2:2 was regarding the Jews...not Christians. Let's follow her reasoning for a bit....

1 John2 :1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. (According to Lizbeth, this would be John exhorting the Jews to keep the Mosaic law) And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (Curiously, Lizbeth has Jesus backing up the Old Covenant, thereby negating His sacrifice) (Whatever supports the flesh, I suppose)


2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: (According to Lizbeth, that's the Jews only) and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (Ok, that's us, right Lizbeth...the "also ran's")


3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (According to Lizbeth, this could only be Moses being spoken of here...Jesus is already cast away by her thinking as being not the subject of interest)

Way to go Lizbeth!

what A joke

She said propitiation was for Gentiles only

You lie and slander her and say she did not.

Your sin exposes you.

How can we trust you can understand the word of God when you can not even understand what someone else says.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What we see in modern religious ideologues is not only the words of Jesus being ignored, denied, and deviated...but also any deeper connotation of His words through the testimony of others also being deviated and denied.

Makes for an interesting judgment day, doesn't it. When all lies and darkness is exposed to the light. Coming to a place near you.

You should know. you do it all the time

 

[St. SteVen]

so propitiation of sin is not for the whole world. Gentiles as well as Jews?

Reminds me of this.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[St. SteVen]

what A joke

She said propitiation was for Gentiles only

You lie and slander her and say she did not.

Your sin exposes you.

How can we trust you can understand the word of God when you can not even understand what someone else says.

That was COMPLETELY uncalled for!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Actually, you are an example of someone who has latched onto the truth but with the wrong part of you. It's easy to get our wires crossed. But you have to be honest and come clean if you want to progress.

Without going to the cross we will latch on with the wrong kind of confidence. The inner man is to be confident....but we are to have no confidence in the carnal mind. Lean not on your own understanding. Instead, pray for an experience of the cross. Then you will see things in their proper perspective...and realize that 95 % of your reasoning comes from the self-preservational outer man.

Enlarge the borders of your mind if you want to grow. Empty yourself of your own advantages if you want to be filled with God's wisdom.

so when will you go to the cross?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Human reasoning that is NOT the subject of the text...but simply an endless scroll turning in your own mind. What else has been preoccupying you?

How does this man continue?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

St. SteVen said:
I take that as Jesus treating the law as hearsay.
A very strange way to talk about the law if you are attempting to exalt it. (the law)

What? The law is the law.
Is thinking about stealing the same as stealing? (according to the law) Nope.
Was adultery in the heart against the law? Nope.

That was the law.
Jesus was deconstructing the law, not buttressing it. IMHO
Did he keep the Sabbath law?

Nope.

Seriously? Have you seen this?
I should say, you HAVE seen this, remember?

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

The pharisees thought according to the law they were righteous.

Jesus proved they were not. because they looked at the letter not the spirit of the law.

when it comes to the 1st command, everyone has failed.. Thats what Jesus tried to show the rick young ruler.. but he failed to grasp that fact and walked away sad..

religious people can not come from under their religion and they get angry when people try to correct them. its why the jews crucified Christ.. Because he tried to correct them

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Isn't it a trap of religion to LIMIT what Jesus did for all of humankind?

Isn't it a trap of religion to LIMIT what Jesus meant when he spoke?

How does this LIMITING give us the BIG picture?

thats what religion does.

it limits what God did. and adds what they do or will do.

which in effect nullifies what God did

 

[Eternally Grateful]

St. SteVen said:
If you slip off the road...
it's too late for guardrails. You need a tow truck. - LOL
I think you mean God's law, not "the law". (given to Moses)
Check out my topic on the subject. Thanks.

God gave the law to moses. Hence it is Gods law.

In my view, "God's law" and "the law" that God gave to the Israelites alone
through Moses are two different, but similar things.

1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law),
so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.
I have become all things to all people so that
by all possible means I might save some.

Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

- What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L) - What's the difference between the law and God's law? - What's the difference between the law, God's law, and Christ's law? The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things. Agree, or disagree? Points...

www.christianityboard.com

Gods law is seen by the law of love

Love the lord your God with all your heart mind and soul.

Love your neighbor as yourself.

who is you neighbor? It would include your enemy.

if we follow these two commands perfectly. we would never sin.

sadly. we do not love perfectly. which leads us to temptation. which leads us to sin.


that's why the law was given to moses. To prove to us that we are not perfect.

sadly. many are to proud and refuse to think they are not perfect.