Do animals have souls?

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I appreciate your thoughts, and was wondering about this….


Doesn’t 2 Peter 310 say the “Heavens will pass away with a terrible noise”, and it’s elements be “burned up with fire”

It seems it is symbolic language… I mean, why destroy the literal Heavens and earth?

What did they do wrong? Nothing.

The only corrupt thing, are wicked people. And their ways of ruling.

And I find that Ephesians 3:10 refers to ruling authorities as “heavens”, and Genesis 11:1 refers to “all the earth” as having ‘one language & one set of words’, which would be people, not the planet.

So, in accord with the prior explanation, it would be a new ‘society of people.’
The wicked will finally be gone!

Psalms 37:10,11,29; Proverbs 2:21,22; Matthew 5:5.

Have a good day!

Everything shall be consumed by the fire that shall come down from heaven because the fall brought corruption and death to the whole of creation. Even animals and plant life as well as marine life is all ordained to death through the corruption of sin that was introduced into God's creation when man heeded the voice of evil and sinned. That's why all things must be made new. Nothing tainted by the curse coming from sin and death that follows shall remain. Because there shall be a new heaven and new earth after this first heaven and earth pass away. Instead of focusing on things that shall pass away, we should, as Peter writes, "look for a new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

Revelation 21:1-5 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

2 Peter 3:11-13 (KJV) Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,
what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

A good day to you as well.
 

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In verse 24 Jesus is saying that those who believe what Jesus said, and believe in God, effectively have (gained) eternal life; they won't have to go through the judgement time (the future 1,000 year reign of Christ) for they have already been judged worthy (justified by faith). They will still die, and sleep in death until the still future resurrection and rapture of the Church, at which point they will then become immortal and have eternal life.

According to John the time that is NOW is for HEARING HIS WORD, it is not the hour COMING when the dead in the graves HEAR HIS VOICE. The DEAD can only hear His voice because it is too late after physical death to hear His Word. The time now is for hearing the Gospel proclaimed, and all who hear and believe in Christ for eternal life, as you say HAVE eternal life in Him. Why? Because we believe that Christ resurrected from the dead, becoming the "first resurrection" to never die again. It is by hearing His Word (Gospel) by grace through faith through the power of His Spirit that we hear His voice and live. By hearing His Word and believing on Him we have everlasting life already. There is power in His Word! Only we must NOW in this age of Gospel grace hear His Word proclaimed, and all who hear His voice, through His Gospel, shall live forever! Why now? Because the hour is coming when it will be to late to hear His Word proclaimed that you might believe on Christ to be saved. The next time those who die in unbelief shall hear the voice of the Lord will be when He calls them to stand before Him at the great white throne judgment that is coming.

John 5:24-25 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Luke 4:32 (KJV) And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.

1 Thessalonians 1:5 (KJV) For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

There won't be another opportunity for the DEAD to hear His Gospel to be saved. Today, NOW, in this age, is the time for being saved. When the hour coming, when the last trumpet sounds, it will be too late for any to be saved. Time shall be no longer!
In verse 25 Jesus is saying there is a coming time, the second resurrection, when every non-Christian will be resurrected and will learn the full truth about Jesus, and if they then believe (at the end of the 1,000 years) they will have eternal life. He also says, "and now is", because those that hear and believe now (before the second resurrection) will also gain eternal life, reiterating what he had said in the previous verse.

In verse 28 Jesus refers to the coming hour (second resurrection) when everyone left in their tombs/graves will be resurrected.

There will not be a second resurrection for the dead! Nowhere in Scripture is this second resurrection of the dead found. In Scripture we can only find a "first resurrection" that is speaking of the resurrection of Christ, and the bodily resurrection from the graves when Christ comes again. We MUST hear His Word (Gospel) now, and through His spoken Word we hear the voice of Christ calling His own to everlasting life through Him. Then after death there will be a general resurrection of ALL humanity that have physically died, and they shall ALL hear His voice and be resurrected to life or damnation! Then whosoever has had part in the first resurrection through Christ, have overcome the lake of fire, that is the second death.

Revelation 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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Yes animals have souls ~

They have same as humans for communication via, hearing, seeing, smelling, tongues, tasting, mouths, uttering sounds, feel touch….

None of “their” souls (active via Gods breath) are Scripturally revealed required to use their souls to communicate with God, to attest Belief, thus they can NOT Sin.

The Lord God saves whom He will’s and I believe that maybe more so for animals than humans, WHOM humans are Offered Salvation and must Choose Him, to become MADE Sanctified.

Glory to God,
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In life when we have part in the first resurrection that is the resurrection life through Christ, we have eternal life through Christ's Spirit that shall never die.
That sounds very like the false teachings that Paul warned against - 2 Timothy 2:16-18 (ESV):

(16) But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,​
(17) and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,​
(18) who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some.​

In death the spirit of believers departs from our dead body and returns to God a living soul, and are as the angels of God in heaven. That's why Christ speaks of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as being alive even though they have long ago died. They died in faith, now the dead are raised, since the advent of Christ, all who believe in Him have already attained eternal life through His Spirit in us.
If the dead are not dead, but living in heaven with God and Jesus, why will Jesus come back to the earth for the Church and only then are the dead in Christ resurrected to life and gathered to be with Jesus? 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (WEB):

(16) For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God’s trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first,​
(17) then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever.​

That event (the rapture) has not occurred yet, therefore it is evident that nobody has yet been resurrected from death to life. The dead are still dead - they have no conscious thoughts, nor a functioning body.
 

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I've never read of a "second" resurrection for unbelievers?
Why does it refer to the "first resurrection" (in Revelation 20:4-5) if there is only going to be one resurrection? It implies that there must be at least one more resurrection. The second resurrection is mentioned in Revelationn 20:13.

I've only read from Scripture of the first resurrection which is the resurrection of Christ, for He is the first to be resurrected from the dead to never die again.
Jesus was the "firstborn from the dead" (Revelation 1:5), but according to Revelation 20 the "first resurrection" is not the resurrection of Jesus; it's the resurrection of the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27). Revelation 20:4-5 (WEB):

(4) I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.​
(5) The rest of the dead didn’t live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.​

Christians are resurrected before the Great Tribulation and before the start of the 1,000 years reign of Christ - they will be reigning for all of that 1,000 years. The rest of the dead (non-Christians) will be resurrected at the start of the 1,000 years, and will be ruled over by Christ (head and body).

And Scripture speaks of the physical resurrection for all who are dead in the graves, who in an hour coming when ALL the dead are bodily resurrected,
Read it carefully. It does not say "all of the dead", it says "all that are in the tombs/graves". Christians have already been resurrected before this point, so they are not in graves/tombs at the time of the second resurrection. Revelation 20:4-5 refers to the first resurrection and "the rest of the dead". The second (general) resurrection is the resurrection of "the rest of the dead".

In the same hour when the last trumpet sounds those who had physically died who have done good in life have an altogether different fate than the dead who were judged by their works, and whose names were not found written in the book of life. The righteous are also resurrected from the dead, but instead of judgment to the second death, they are resurrected and changed to immortal & incorruptible body of flesh, because their names are written in the book of life.
The only people who will be given an immortal body (a spiritual body, not a flesh body; 1 Corinthians 15:44 - "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body") are Christians, and they will share Jesus' inheritance from God and will be priests and kings in God's kingdom. They will be priests and kings for/over the rest of mankind, who are resurrected as humans again and will live on the earth. Those who will be granted eternal human life will be those that have done good during the 1,000 years, and those that persist in doing evil will perish (the second death). To become a Christan and have a part in the first resurrection is not dependent on doing good, it is dependent on believing and having faith in the Son of God:

Galatians 2:20 (WEB):
(20) I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ lives in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.​
Galatians 3:11 (WEB):
(11) Now that no man is justified by the law before God is evident, for, “The righteous will live by faith.”​

Everyone who lived and died before Jesus became flesh will not have an opportunity to become members of the body of Christ, but they will be resurrected along with all other non-Christians, and they will then learn about the Son of God. These and everyone else resurrected in the general (second) resurrection will be judged on how they respond to a full knowledge of the truth, when Jesus will be strictly ruling in righteousness, and to how they respond to the deceptions of Satan when he is released at the end of the 1,000 years.

The following passage describes what the bodily resurrection shall be for those who have done good. All whose names are written in the book of life.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Paul is there writing to Christians only, and is describing resurrection body of Christians only. God will give Christians (only) an immortal spirit body. He says that we won't all sleep (in death), because some will be alive when Jesus comes for his bride; but all Christians, those dead (sleeping) and those alive (not sleeping), will be changed to be given a spirit body similar to what Jesus now has - 1 John 3:2 (WEB):

(2) Beloved, now we are children of God, and it is not yet revealed what we will be. But we know that when he is revealed, we will be like him; for we will see him just as he is.​

Christians will be changed because as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:50 (WEB):

(50) Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable.​

In the same hour coming, when the last trumpet sounds Christ shall be seen coming again with the clouds. There will still be men/women of faith alive at this time. There will also be coming back with Christ the spiritual body of believers that are alive with Him in heaven after physical death.
No, Jesus descends from heaven alone, then those that have died in Christ are resurrected to life - read carefully what you quoted (below)!

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And those faithful saints still physically alive will be caught up with those resurrected for judgment to meet the Lord in the air.
No, only Christians are caught up, not those "resurrected for judgement".

That's when ALL believers shall be clothed with immortal & incorruptible body of flesh,
No, all Christians will be clothed with spirit body, not a physical body of flesh - 1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (WEB):

(44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is also a spiritual body.​
(45) So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.​
(46) However that which is spiritual isn’t first, but that which is natural, then that which is spiritual.​
(47) The first man is of the earth, made of dust. The second man is the Lord from heaven.​
(48) As is the one made of dust, such are those who are also made of dust; and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.​
(49) As we have borne the image of those made of dust, let’s also bear the image of the heavenly.​

Because in life we had partaken of the first resurrection, which is the resurrection life through Christ.
In life we are baptised into Jesus death. We participate in Jesus' resurrection when we are resurrected and will be like him. Romans 6:4-5 (ESV):

(4) We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.​
(5) For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.​

I don't know where you learned this doctrine, or from whom you may have been taught this, but this doctrine does NOT come from the Bible.
That's what I think of your interpretation of the Bible too! Chkl:
 
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Yes, Douay-Rheims Bible, Gen 9:


The word for "soul" is H5315, נָ֫פֶשׁ, nephesh. It appears 754 times. NASB translated it as soul (238), life (146), person (68).

Brown-Driver-Briggs:


Aramaic Bible in Plain English, Prov 12:


Do animals possess nephesh-souls?

Yes.

See also Do pets go to heaven?.
It's hard for me to believe that animals don't have souls.
 

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1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Don't be confused by "bring with him". Paul is not saying that Jesus will bring the dead Christians with him when he comes for the Church. In context Paul is reassuring Christians that those Christians that have already died will not miss out on returning with Jesus when he returns in glory to establish God's kingdom on the earth. Hence he goes on to say that they will in fact be resurrected moments before those still alive when Jesus comes for the Church, so that we all together (those that had died and those still alive) will be with Jesus from that point onwards, and we all will return with Jesus in glory at his second coming.
 

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That sounds very like the false teachings that Paul warned against - 2 Timothy 2:16-18 (ESV):

(16) But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,(17) and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,(18) who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some.

You're entitled to your OPINIONS! However I find you have not shown from the Scriptures that what I've said is false, so why should anyone bother to listen to one's unproven OPINIONS?
If the dead are not dead, but living in heaven with God and Jesus, why will Jesus come back to the earth for the Church and only then are the dead in Christ resurrected to life and gathered to be with Jesus? 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (WEB):

(16) For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God’s trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first,(17) then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever.
That event (the rapture) has not occurred yet, therefore it is evident that nobody has yet been resurrected from death to life. The dead are still dead - they have no conscious thoughts, nor a functioning body.

You do understand a living soul has a body and spirit, which is how there is physical life upon the earth? I wonder also if you believe the life we receive from Christ when we believe is eternal? When Christ says whosoever believes in Him has eternal life, He is not speaking about our flesh & bones. The eternal life we have through His is spiritual life through His Spirit in us. And since every spirit returns to God who gave it (Ecc 12:7) when our physical body dies, our spirit will return to Him either spiritually alive through His Spirit that will not depart until we are bodily resurrected and changed, OR man's spirit without the Spirit of Christ to give them eternal life will return to God in silence and darkness.

I agree since Christ has not yet descended from heaven with a shout, neither the physically dead in Christ have been raised up, nor have believers that are still alive when Christ returns been caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air.

One more doctrine you seem not to have understanding of is the "first resurrection"? Christ is the first resurrection from the dead and shall never die again. The reason He had to die, was because every man is spiritually dead in trespasses and sins before we are born again through the life, death and resurrection of Christ. If He did not live again after death, there would be no hope for any man. But He is the "first resurrection" and by having part in His resurrection life, and death believers have gone from being spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, to spiritually alive through His Spirit in us.
 

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Why does it refer to the "first resurrection" (in Revelation 20:4-5) if there is only going to be one resurrection? It implies that there must be at least one more resurrection. The second resurrection is mentioned in Revelationn 20:13.

Because the "first resurrection" that every man MUST have part in is the resurrection of Christ. He is the first resurrection from the dead to never die again. When we have part in the resurrection of Christ we have gone from being spiritually dead to being spiritually alive. IOW when we have been born again through His Spirit in us, we have partaken of Christ's resurrection life and death, and the spiritual life we have is ETERNAL. Our spirit with His Spirit within shall live FOREVER, even though our body will die.

That's why John says there are souls alive in heaven after they have physically died on earth. The only resurrections mentioned in Scripture is the "first resurrection", Christ, and the bodily resurrection from the graves in an hour coming when the seventh trumpet sounds for ALL who have physically died. In life we MUST partake of Christ's first resurrection, which is to be made spiritually alive from spiritual death. It is only by having part in Christ while we are still physically alive that we have overcome the lake of fire, that is the second death. And only when we partake of the first resurrection through Christ are we given assurance that our dead body too shall be resurrected to immortal & incorruptible life with Christ forever on the new earth. Before physical death they had already lived and reigned with Christ during this time symbolized a thousand years.

Notice in Rev 20:3 John writes the souls in heaven HAVE LIVED and REIGNED with Christ before they were martyred for their faith. And because they were faithful unto death their spirit left their physical body and are a spiritual body of believers in heaven who are still living souls there, but without physical form.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

After telling us of all those who had in life partaken of the first resurrection, John writes in vss 11-15 of the fate of the DEAD. The dead are all those who lived and died without having part in spiritual resurrection life through the resurrection of Christ. They have not part in the first resurrection, so they have not overcome the second death. They will be bodily resurrected from the grave in an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds to stand before the GWTJ of God to be judged according to what is written in the books and the book of life.

Jesus was the "firstborn from the dead" (Revelation 1:5), but according to Revelation 20 the "first resurrection" is not the resurrection of Jesus; it's the resurrection of the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27). Revelation 20:4-5 (WEB):

(4) I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.(5) The rest of the dead didn’t live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Christians are resurrected before the Great Tribulation and before the start of the 1,000 years reign of Christ - they will be reigning for all of that 1,000 years. The rest of the dead (non-Christians) will be resurrected at the start of the 1,000 years, and will be ruled over by Christ (head and body).

That makes no sense! John tells us they are disembodied souls, without heads there is not physical life. These martyred saints are now living souls in heaven, the spiritual body of believers spiritually alive in heaven who kept the faith unto death. None are bodily resurrected until an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds! A thousand years is symbolic time given the Church go out with the Gospel in the power of the Spirit so the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven will be complete. The purpose for Satan's binding is that he should deceive the nations no more. When this symbolic time is finished, there will not be another one thousand years of more time given this earth.
Read it carefully. It does not say "all of the dead", it says "all that are in the tombs/graves". Christians have already been resurrected before this point, so they are not in graves/tombs at the time of the second resurrection. Revelation 20:4-5 refers to the first resurrection and "the rest of the dead". The second (general) resurrection is the resurrection of "the rest of the dead".
The martyred saints we see in Rev 20 are not physically alive after death. They are after physical death spiritually alive in heaven. Their spirit returned to God (Ecc 12:7) alive through the Spirit of Christ within, and their body went into the graves and will not be physically resurrected to life again until an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds.

Yes, the passage in Jo 5:28-29 "all of the dead"! That is both those who have done good and those who have done evil who have physically died and are in the graves. The only resurrection Christians have partaken of in time is spiritual, not the physical resurrection that shall come. We partake of the first resurrection through the resurrection of Christ when we are born again and have gone from being spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, to being spiritually alive through Christ's Spirit in us. The bodily resurrection for ALL that is coming will be unto resurrection PHYSICAL life for those who have done good, or physically resurrected unto damnation.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The only people who will be given an immortal body (a spiritual body, not a flesh body; 1 Corinthians 15:44 - "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body") are Christians,

To be continued:
 

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The only people who will be given an immortal body (a spiritual body, not a flesh body; 1 Corinthians 15:44 - "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body") are Christians, and they will share Jesus' inheritance from God and will be priests and kings in God's kingdom. They will be priests and kings for/over the rest of mankind, who are resurrected as humans again and will live on the earth. Those who will be granted eternal human life will be those that have done good during the 1,000 years, and those that persist in doing evil will perish (the second death). To become a Christan and have a part in the first resurrection is not dependent on doing good, it is dependent on believing and having faith in the Son of God:

Galatians 2:20 (WEB):
(20) I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ lives in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.Galatians 3:11 (WEB):
(11) Now that no man is justified by the law before God is evident, for, “The righteous will live by faith.”
Everyone who lived and died before Jesus became flesh will not have an opportunity to become members of the body of Christ, but they will be resurrected along with all other non-Christians, and they will then learn about the Son of God. These and everyone else resurrected in the general (second) resurrection will be judged on how they respond to a full knowledge of the truth, when Jesus will be strictly ruling in righteousness, and to how they respond to the deceptions of Satan when he is released at the end of the 1,000 years.

Paul is there writing to Christians only, and is describing resurrection body of Christians only. God will give Christians (only) an immortal spirit body. He says that we won't all sleep (in death), because some will be alive when Jesus comes for his bride; but all Christians, those dead (sleeping) and those alive (not sleeping), will be changed to be given a spirit body similar to what Jesus now has - 1 John 3:2 (WEB):

(2) Beloved, now we are children of God, and it is not yet revealed what we will be. But we know that when he is revealed, we will be like him; for we will see him just as he is.
Christians will be changed because as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:50 (WEB):

(50) Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable.
No, Jesus descends from heaven alone, then those that have died in Christ are resurrected to life - read carefully what you quoted (below)!


No, only Christians are caught up, not those "resurrected for judgement".

No, all Christians will be clothed with spirit body, not a physical body of flesh - 1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (WEB):

(44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body and there is also a spiritual body.(45) So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.(46) However that which is spiritual isn’t first, but that which is natural, then that which is spiritual.(47) The first man is of the earth, made of dust. The second man is the Lord from heaven.(48) As is the one made of dust, such are those who are also made of dust; and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.(49) As we have borne the image of those made of dust, let’s also bear the image of the heavenly.
In life we are baptised into Jesus death. We participate in Jesus' resurrection when we are resurrected and will be like him. Romans 6:4-5 (ESV):

(4) We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.(5) For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.
That's what I think of your interpretation of the Bible too! Chkl:
1 Corinthians 15:44-50 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

When our physical bodies are resurrected from the graves they will not be a spiritual body for life on the new earth. They will again be as man was in the beginning when God created them, with body of flesh and the breath of life (spirit) and then we shall again be a complete living soul, only then the body resurrected is changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible.
Paul is there writing to Christians only, and is describing resurrection body of Christians only.
In 1Cor 15:44-50 Paul is not writing of the bodily resurrection that shall be. If he were he would not say they have died natural, physical flesh and bone, and raised a spiritual body without form. If this was the physical resurrection that shall be, Paul would have written sown a natural body and RESURRECTED a physical body.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
No, Jesus descends from heaven alone, then those that have died in Christ are resurrected to life - read carefully what you quoted (below)!
No, the spiritual body of believers that have ascended to heaven a living soul shall return with Christ when He comes the second and only time.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
No, only Christians are caught up, not those "resurrected for judgement".
According to 1Th 4:14 those who have died in faith, along with all the dead that are in the graves shall be resurrected and those who died in Christ changed (1Cor 15:51- ) while the rest of the resurrected from the graves resurrected to damnation. Immediately following them, Paul writes in a moment and twinkling of an eye, those who are still alive at His coming again are caught up with the faithful from the graves. There is no separation of one thousand years between the resurrection from the graves and the living being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. They will be with the Lord as the fire of God's wrath comes down from heaven to utterly burn up the earth and anything left alive on it.
No, all Christians will be clothed with spirit body, not a physical body of flesh
It is the physical bodies that are dead and in the graves. Why would God resurrect the body from the grave if our body then will be spirit? A spirit has no form nor substance, why would the physical body be resurrected and changed? This is why Paul writes that flesh & blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. For the body to be resurrected fit for the Kingdom of God that shall be on the new earth, it must be made immortal & incorruptible because nothing impure shall enter there. Because earth was created to be populated by flesh and blood, but without the stain of sin and death that defiled the first heaven and earth.
That's what I think of your interpretation of the Bible too!
I've given you what I have come to understand is biblical doctrine, and I've supported it with Scripture verses and passages. As I communicate with you here, it seems you lack understanding often because you do not carefully read what is written. I encourage you to contemplate some of the problems I've shown with the way you study Scripture. I hope you will consider re-visiting some of the things you think the Bible teaches with why I believe you have not properly understood.
 

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Don't be confused by "bring with him". Paul is not saying that Jesus will bring the dead Christians with him when he comes for the Church. In context Paul is reassuring Christians that those Christians that have already died will not miss out on returning with Jesus when he returns in glory to establish God's kingdom on the earth. Hence he goes on to say that they will in fact be resurrected moments before those still alive when Jesus comes for the Church, so that we all together (those that had died and those still alive) will be with Jesus from that point onwards, and we all will return with Jesus in glory at his second coming.

Of course Paul is not saying that Christ shall bring the dead Christians with Him when He comes again. Paul is saying that the spiritual body of believers alive with Christ in heaven after they physically died in faith will return with Christ. The spirit is the breath that gives life to the physical body. Without spirit, the body is a lifeless corpse. Nowhere in Scripture does it say the Kingdom of God will be on this earth. In fact Christ very clearly tells us that His Kingdom if not of this earth, and for that reason would should not run around looking for His physical presence on the earth. The Kingdom of God is not of this world, because His Kingdom is within you. Why would God's Kingdom come to this earth since this earth is destined to be utterly burned up along with everything left alive on it?

John 18:36 (KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Luke 17:21-23 (KJV) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
 

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Animals are living beings. Animas are souls. They have bodies of flesh. They do not have spirits. It is in the spirits than mankind are in the image of God.

The spirit is the breath that gives the physical body of every living, breathing creature life for this earth. Without a spirit every living breathing creature upon the earth would be a corpse of rotting flesh and bones. What makes mankind differ from the animals is that man that is born again also has the Spirit of Christ within them. Without the Spirit of Christ within man, they are no different in death than the animals. Their body dies and returns to the earth, and their spirit returns to God in silence and darkness having NOT the life-giving Spirit of Christ within.
 

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Animals ARE living souls just as we are.
Makes me consider the difference in the first Adam and the last Adam.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening (life-giving)spirit.
Is there a difference?
Was the first Adam made a living soul and are animals also made a living soul…but what is difference in Christ being made a quickening spirit? Does it say anywhere animals are made a quickening spirit? All questions I have.
 

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Was the first Adam made a living soul and are animals also made a living soul…
Yes, Genesis 1:20,21 says animals were made living creatures, i.e., living souls. Genesis 2:7 says Adam was made a living creature, i.e., living soul.

Mankind are said to have spirits but animals are not said to have spirits.
 

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Yes, Douay-Rheims Bible, Gen 9:


The word for "soul" is H5315, נָ֫פֶשׁ, nephesh. It appears 754 times. NASB translated it as soul (238), life (146), person (68).

Brown-Driver-Briggs:


Aramaic Bible in Plain English, Prov 12:


Do animals possess nephesh-souls?

Yes.

See also Do pets go to heaven?.
They, like you ARE a soul....it's not a thing you have....it's what you are.
It encompasses and refers to the collection of body, mind, & spirit.
 

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Yes, Genesis 1:20,21 says animals were made living creatures, i.e., living souls. Genesis 2:7 says Adam was made a living creature, i.e., living soul.

Mankind are said to have spirits but animals are not said to have spirits.
It does make me think of when man first domesticated animals to where now dogs and cats are companions. Other animals also like pigs…how dogs became “man’s best friend”. What was man seeking that animals filled the role as companions? I’m not knocking it because my mom who is 92 has a little Yorkie. gidget is with mom all the time, if mom falls she is the first to burst into barking that something is wrong. But I do wonder why man first domesticated animals. And why today animals sometimes is a persons closest companions where people have hurt them and they no longer search companionship in people. For example I know a lady who has so many strays the humane society comes out sometimes to remove some of them because of her inability to care for them all. But she collects strays. As soon as they remove some, she starts collecting strays again. Is it that we ultimately crave companionship?
 

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Yes, that is indeed true; however, when speaking of the human being, soul and spirit are used almost interchangeably in both the OT and the NT. That, I assume, is because the human being is a soul with a spirit; and never is there a case where the human being is a soul without a spirit.
I think you are right. See What happens to your soul when you die?
 

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You're entitled to your OPINIONS! However I find you have not shown from the Scriptures that what I've said is false, so why should anyone bother to listen to one's unproven OPINIONS?
You have not shown from the Scriptures that your opinion is a reasonable interpretation. I can find no verses in the Bible that talk about a "spiritual resurrection", so I'm not surprised that you haven't quoted any. Why should anybody believe your opinion if you don't quote verses that support what you claim?

I wonder also if you believe the life we receive from Christ when we believe is eternal?
Yes, of course it is eternal life that God is promising. God considers anyone who does not have faith in Jesus to be currently dead (in, or because of, their sins), even though they are actually alive, because they have not yet gained eternal life.

Ephesians 2:1-9 (WEB):
(1) You were made alive when you were dead in transgressions and sins,​
(2) in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the children of disobedience;​
(3) among whom we also all once lived in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.​
(4) But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us,​
(5) even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),​
(6) and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,​
(7) that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus;​
(8) for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,​
(9) not of works, that no one would boast.​

Romans 6:20-23 (WEB):
(20) For when you were servants of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.​
(21) What fruit then did you have at that time in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.​
(22) But now, being made free from sin, and having become servants of God, you have your fruit of sanctification, and the result of eternal life.​
(23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.​

Hwever, it is possible for a Christian to fall away and lose that promised eternal life that we hope for:

Pauls said, 1 Corinthians 9:27 (WEB):
(27) but I beat my body and bring it into submission, lest by any means, after I have preached to others, I myself should be rejected.​

Hebrews 6:4-6 (WEB):
(4) For concerning those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,​
(5) and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,​
(6) and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify the Son of God for themselves again, and put him to open shame.​
Hebrews 10:26-27 (WEB):
(26) For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins,​
(27) but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which will devour the adversaries.​

One more doctrine you seem not to have understanding of is the "first resurrection"? Christ is the first resurrection from the dead and shall never die again. The reason He had to die, was because every man is spiritually dead in trespasses and sins before we are born again through the life, death and resurrection of Christ. If He did not live again after death, there would be no hope for any man. But He is the "first resurrection" and by having part in His resurrection life, and death believers have gone from being spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, to spiritually alive through His Spirit in us.
Where in the Bible does it say anyone is "spiritually dead"? James 2:26 (WEB):

(26) For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, even so faith apart from works is dead.​

Without the spirit part of us (the core or nucleus of our self), our physcial body will cease functioning and die (hence the expression "give up the ghost [spirit}", meaning to die). If we were "spritually dead" then we would also be physically dead.

Romans 8:10-11 (WEB):
(10) If Christ is in you, the body is {considered, but not actually} dead because of sin, but the spirit is {considered, but not actually} alive because of righteousness.​
(11) But if the Spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also {in the future resurrection} give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.​

As Christians, our body is as good as dead, and has not yet been redeemed; our spirit is as good as alive, but not yet actually made immortal. We are resurrected and/or changed (given an immortal spirit body) when Jesus returns for the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). That is when we are born again; until then we are only begotten again. Romans 8:23 (WEB):

(23) Not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for adoption, the redemption of our body.​

Only after we have been resurrected at Jesus' return for his bride will death (for us) be swallowed up in victory - 1 Corinthians 15:54 (WEB):

(54) But when this perishable body will have become imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then what is written will happen: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”​