Judas Went to His Own Place – A Biblical Verdict of Eternal Judgment

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According to the Bible, did Judas Iscariot go to hell or was he ultimately saved?

  • Judas went to hell, as judgment for his betrayal and unbelief

  • Judas was saved in the end, despite his betrayal

  • We can't know for sure, the Bible is unclear

  • He was only temporarily judged but not eternally lost


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amigo de christo

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Dude...you need to get off this misplaced hero worship and focus on the one who died for you...that wasn't Maria, it was The Lord Jesus Christ.
What a lovely wonderful good reminder my friend .
Too many have been caught up with a voluntary worshipping of saints and angels and etc .
Idolatry is not good at all .
Thanks again for such a lovely reminder that is so needed to be said to many peoples .
 
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Sister-n-Christ

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Dude...you need to get off this misplaced hero worship and focus on the one who died for you...that wasn't Maria, it was The Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen.

You'd think his promoting Maria over Christ would get the attention of higher board member powers. You'd think.
 

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Dude...you need to get off this misplaced hero worship and focus on the one who died for you...that wasn't Maria, it was The Lord Jesus Christ.

You need humility. Without even having read Maria Valtorta's writings, you presented the baseless assertion that she was "delusional" during the time she wrote. So, I laid at your feet professional studies done on The Poem of the Man-God and their conclusions, where they ruled out that Maria Valtorta had mental illness, and lend credence to her claims of the writings having a supernatural origin. And, all you could reply with is another baseless assertion, this time about me, saying that I "worship" Maria Valtorta, but that's just a knee-jerk reaction out of frustration and pride.
 

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You need humility. Without even having read Maria Valtorta's writings, you presented the baseless assertion that she was "delusional" during the time she wrote. So, I laid at your feet professional studies done on The Poem of the Man-God and their conclusions, where they ruled out that Maria Valtorta had mental illness, and lend credence to her claims of the writings having a supernatural origin. And, all you could reply with is another baseless assertion, this time about me, saying that I "worship" Maria Valtorta, but that's just a knee-jerk reaction out of frustration and pride.
She was delusional. I didn't say you worshipped her. I said you need to shift your focus onto Jesus.
 
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Origen

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She was delusional.

According to you, a baseless assertion by someone who hasn't even read The Poem of the Man-God. But she wasn't delusional, nor had any mental illness, according to the people who actually knew her, as well as the professionals who read and performed studies on The Poem of the Man-God. And, their conclusions actually lend credence to her claims. Are you just going to continue ignoring all of that?

I didn't say you worshipped her. I said you need to shift your focus onto Jesus.

You said, "Dude...you need to get off this misplaced hero worship and focus on the one who died for you...that wasn't Maria, it was The Lord Jesus Christ." And, Maria Valtorta received visions and took dictations from Jesus, and thus the focus is Jesus! Maria Valtorta was His instrument, His "pen". Nothing more.
 

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She was delusional. I didn't say you worshipped her. I said you need to shift your focus onto Jesus.
None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

From the earlier article I posted.
I don't think Maria's apostle actually read anything I shared and that proves she was not considered credible by the church.

" on April 17, 1993, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith directed the Italian Bishops’ Conference to order this disclaimer placed in future re-issues of the Poem: “…the ‘visions’ and ‘dictations’ referred to in it are simply literary forms used by the author to narrate in her own way the life of Jesus. They cannot be considered supernatural in origin.” "

This is important for anyone reading his Maria copy/paste and think to give the mystic's work respect.
Btw,what did God say about mystic's?

" The Poem’s (The Poem of the Man-God) fundamental flaw is its claim to compensate for the inadequacies of the Gospels. As Jesus himself explains to Valtorta, the New Testament needs to be supplemented (I: p. 432) because of the evangelists’ “unbreakable Jewish frame of mind.” Their “flowery and pompous” Hebrew style kept them from writing everything that God wished. (V: p. 947) So nineteen centuries later, he finds a worthy secretary in Valtorta, his “Little John,” to expand what the Apostle St. John and the others wrote. “There is nothing of my own in this work,” she insists. (I: p. 57) She presents herself as a mere transmitter of Divine content."
 

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I don't think Maria's apostle actually read anything I shared and that proves she was not considered credible by the church.

" on April 17, 1993, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith directed the Italian Bishops’ Conference to order this disclaimer placed in future re-issues of the Poem: “…the ‘visions’ and ‘dictations’ referred to in it are simply literary forms used by the author to narrate in her own way the life of Jesus. They cannot be considered supernatural in origin.” "

That is their opinion and they didn't even explain why. You should read the following article: Response to the Vatican's 2025 Press Release on Maria Valtorta, as well as A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on proofs in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.

As Jesus himself explains to Valtorta, the New Testament needs to be supplemented (I: p. 432) because of the evangelists’ “unbreakable Jewish frame of mind.”

Jesus actually said, "Some people, when reading this Work, will object: "It does not appear from the Gospel that Jesus was in touch with Romans and Greeks, and consequently we reject these pages." How many things do not appear from the Gospel, or can just be detected behind thick curtains of silence, drawn by the Evangelists on episodes, of which they did not approve, because of their unbreakable Jewish frame of mind! Do you think that you know everything I did? I solemnly tell you that not even after reading and accepting this illustration of My public life will you know everything about Me. I would have killed My little John, in the fatigue of reporting all the days of My ministry and all the actions performed on each day, if I had made him acquainted with everything so that he might transmit everything to you! "Then there were other things done by Jesus, which if written one by one, I think that the world would not be able to contain the books that should be written" says John. Apart from the hyperbole, I solemnly tell you that if all My single actions had to be written, all My particular lessons, My penances and prayers to save a soul, it would have taken the halls of one of your libraries, and one of the largest, to contain the books speaking of Me. And I also solemnly tell you that it would be much more advantageous for you to burn so much useless dusty poisonous science, to make room for My books, than to know so little of Me and worship so much that press that is almost always soiled with lust and heresy.

Also, according to your source, the excerpt above is found in The Poem of the Man-God: vol. I, p. 432, but it's not, rather vol. V, p. 479.

Their “flowery and pompous” Hebrew style kept them from writing everything that God wished. (V: p. 947)

By "their" your source is referring to the apostles and is claiming that Jesus said the apostle's flowery and pompous Hebrew style kept them from writing everything that God wished for, which is a bold face lie. Jesus was actually referring to what Maria Valtorta heard Mary say to Jesus in the visions she received and described when He said, "To those who consider Mary's love for Jesus too affectionate, I say that they should consider who Mary was: the Woman without sin and therefore without fault in Her love towards God, towards Her relatives, towards Her spouse, towards Her Son, towards Her neighbor; they should consider what the Mother saw in Me beside seeing the Son of Her womb, and finally that they should consider the nationality of Mary. Hebrew race, eastern race, and times very remote from the present ones. So the explanation of certain verbal amplifications, that may seem exaggerated to you, ensues from these elements. The eastern and Hebrew styles are flowery and pompous also when commonly spoken. All the writings of that time and of that race prove it, and in the course of ages the eastern style has not changed very much."

Also, according to your source, the excerpt above is found in vol. V, p. 947, but it's not, rather vol. V, p. 479.

So nineteen centuries later, he finds a worthy secretary in Valtorta, his “Little John,” to expand what the Apostle St. John and the others wrote.

Jesus gave Maria Valtorta the nickname "little John" for the following reason: "John, to place her close to the Evangelist who was the favorite disciple. Little, because of the dependence of her Work, although quite extensive, on those of the Evangelists who, in short manuscripts, enclosed what is essential." And, Jesus's seven reasons for The Poem of the Man-God can be read here.

“There is nothing of my own in this work,” she insists. (I: p. 57) She presents herself as a mere transmitter of Divine content."

After a vision Maria Valtorta received and described on September 2nd, 1944, Maria Valtorta added the following: "A note of mine. All day yesterday I thought I was going to see the news of the death of Her parents being given to Mary by Zacharias, I do not know why. I also thought, in my way, that Jesus would have dealt with the point « remembrance of God by the saints ». This morning, when the vision started, I said to myself: « Here we are, they will now tell Her that She is an orphan » and my heart was already trembling because I would have experienced my own sadness of these past days. Instead there has been absolutely nothing of what I thought I was going to see or hear. Not even one word by mistake. I am very happy about this because it confirms that there is nothing of my own in this work, not even an honest suggestion with regard to one situation. It all comes from a different source. My continuous fear ceases... until the next time because I shall always be afraid of being deceived and deceiving."

Also, according to your source, the excerpt above is found in vol. I, p. 432, but it's not, rather vol. I, p. 34.

Way to not read The Poem of the Man-God, nor verify your source's claims against it, @Sister-n-Christ. Bravo.

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