Where did Christian Universalism come from? - New or old?

[BreadOfLife]

No where does it say that Jesus told them to use leavened OR unleavened. And you never addressed when the apostles who were eating the bread they were eating though Judas was going out to buy what was needed for the Passover Day 3 days later.
Do you believe the apostles wrote the NT gospels? Then why did they say ARTOS and not AZUMOS?

Because “Artos” can mean EITHER leavened OR unleavened bread.,

I don't know what Strong's concordance you're using, but it doesn't agree with any Strong's I've checked. Nor does it agree with the #2 selling Young's Concordance. Which also agrees with Strong's.

Young's Exhaustive Concordance (and the associated Strong’s Greek Lexicon, #740) defines the Greek word
artos (ἄρτος) as "bread (as raised) or a loaf". Derived from the Greek verb airo (meaning to take or raise), it represents bread made from flour mixed with water and baked, often appearing in contexts such as loaves, bread, or showbread. From

E-Sword X online bible. G740 (Strong)
ἄρτος
artos
ar'-tos
From G142; bread (as raised) or a loaf: - (shew-) bread, loaf.
Total KJV occurrences: 99

The fact that YOU deny that Jesus and the Apostles used unleavened bread for the Passover speaks VOLUMES about your ignorance. Leavened bread is FORBIDDEN at the Passover and the following 7 days of the Feast of UNleavevd Bread.

They were ALL faithful Jews who observed the Law.

Again you misread; I never said Rome was apostate because of how they did communion with raised bread from 800-1,200 years. It was then that they finally abolished it from the whole Latin church.

YOUR problem is that you continue to argue points about which you are ignorant. You have NO idea what you are talking about.

For starters – the use of unleavened bread for the Eucharist in the Catholic Church is a matter of discipline – NOT dogma. It was the Council of Florence (1431 to 1445) that affirmed that the Body of Christ can be effected from either leavened OR unleavened wheat bread. In other words – leavened bread is NOT forbidden. Unleavened bread is simply the norm.

In any case – this would NOT constitute “apostasy”.

It does in that it is OFF TOPIC, and yes when I went back, that's when I discovered it was off topic because of me. And that's why I said we should end it then. And I still say it should end now with this post for the same reason. Keep your opinion and I'll keep mine.

Again - if you don’t want to go “off-topic” – then DON’T open up a can of worms that is off-topic . . .

 

[Hillsage]

I hope you are done.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I hope you are done.

Translation:
"I have NO way of arguing against the solid points you made."

 

[The Learner]

read

 

[Hillsage]

Translation:
"I have NO way of arguing against the solid points you made."

WRONG. I really hope you are done.

 

[BreadOfLife]

WRONG. I really hope you are done.

Not until you address my solid Biblical poits about the UNLEAVENED bread Jesus used at the Last Supper . . .

 

[Hillsage]

You have nothing, all has been addressed.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You have nothing, all has been addressed.

I destroyed your case and post #361.
Your only response was, "I hope you are done."

Game.
Set.
MATCH

 

[Hillsage]

I destroyed your case and post #361.
Your only response was, "I hope you are done."

Game.
Set.
MATCH

Still HOPING.

 

[soberxp]

What are you arguing about? Why can't I read it?

 

[soberxp]

I don't think that's right?

By my reckoning, the Book of Enoch postulates 4 intermediate resting places. One for the martyrs. One for the righteous dead. One for the evil dead. And one for the lukewarm.

I don't find universalism in Enoch

Source: 1Enoch Chapter 22

Because I read the Chinese version of Enoch, which was a long time ago.And I also read the English version you gave me.I found that the version I read is very different from yours.for example，In the version I read, Enoch was guided by an angel.He came to the place where the stars moved, and Enoch saw the stars moved in the law of God,There are stars that are out of god's rules.These stars are tied up and locked up And accept punishment.I didn't see these words and paragraphs in this edition.
So there are only two possibilities.One possibility is that one of our versions is fake.Another possibility is that my personal reasons come from God.Maybe God wants to tell me that you have such a good memory, why do you always disobey?

 

[soberxp]

But that was a long time ago, and I can't find the original Chinese version of book of Enoch Link address.

 

[The Learner]

read ouch

 

[BreadOfLife]

Still HOPING.

Of course you are.
NOBODY likes to be proven wrong on a public forum . . .

 

[Hillsage]

Of course you are.
NOBODY likes to be proven wrong on a public forum . . .

Spoken like a true believer...of everything you said.

 

[The Learner]

read

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Christ Jesus is universal ! he came for the whole world ! not just one spot on earth or one race of people. it's clearly a gift for all ! or it would not be of God ! One only need pick it up !

Under Christianity their is no Jew nor Greek, as all are as one !

 

[BreadOfLife]

Spoken like a true believer...of everything you said.

I'm just a lover of Truth who has great disdain for falsehoods and those who spread them . . .

 

[Hillsage]

I'm just a lover of Truth who has great disdain for falsehoods and those who spread them . . .

Smarten up, dipstick. Tell me anyone here, that doesn't believe the same thing you just said.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Smarten up, dipstick.

Ao, you're down to name-calling now??
That's a tell-tale sign that you've LOST this debate . . .

Tell me anyone here, that doesn't believe the same thing you just said.

Well - YOU, for one . . .

If YOU believe and preach that Jesus and the Apostles used leavened (raised) bread at the Last supper - then you beleve and teach a LIE.
A lover of truth would NEVER believe this . . .