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(((Conditional perseverance:)))
ex 20 mt 19:17 1 tim 6:14 keep the commandments
deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God within all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
ez 36:25-27 ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Mk 13:13 mt 10:22 endure to the end
Matt 7:14 narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life
Matt 16:24 If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matt 24:13 endure to the end
Jn 3:16 continues in believing
Jn 15:4 abide in christ
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing
Jn 15:10 keep my commandments
Rom 1:5 obedience
Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:13 (3) three things are eternal; faith, hope and charity and the greatest is charity.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth
1 John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.
rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Perseverance is conditional and requires our participation and faithfulness!
thks
born again in baptism Jn 3;5
baptismal regeneration titus 3:5
the laver of redemption
thks
after we received the initial grace of justification we must participate in perseverance and remain faithful to enter into eternal salvation
mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
thks
justification is a free gift of God the initial grace in which we stand, and provides union with God and His communion of saints but we have grace not eternal salvation!
Eternal salvation: In the next life. mk 10:30 The blessed in heaven.
perseverance requires our participation!
mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
mt 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Lk 3:9
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Jn 15:1-6 abide in Christ
mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 he who endures to the end shall be saved
rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
we must grow in grace by good works:
2 peter 3:18
can lose grace by sin: mt 25:30
Eph 5:6 gal 5:1 1 tim 5:12
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20 gal 5:19-21
eph 5:2-6
thks
((works definitions))
(kinds of works)
Unfruitful works:
a) works of the law
Refers to the unfruitful works of the mosaic covenant
b) works of the flesh
Listed in Gal 5:19-21 & Eph 5:3-5
these cause the loss of grace and the bar us from salvation in the kingdom of God. the unfruitful works of darkness
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. eph 5:6
c) dead or natural works
Works that are good in and of themselves but are not in union with Christ and grace and have power to accomplish perseverance unto eternal salvation!
Apart from Christ: NOTHING! Jn 15:5
Living works or deeds of rightousness!
(living works) (faith & works)
Supernatural good works (gifts of God) accomplished in union with Christ and empowered by His grace with perseverance to the end of our life unto eternal salvation!
FAITH, HOPE, & CHARITY! 1 cor 13:13
fruitful works! Lk 3:9 Jn 15:5 bear fruit
2 cor 9: And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
With Christ & empowered by grace:
I CAN DO ALL THINGS! Phil 4:13
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Living works:
1 pet 2:15-16 good works
1 pet 2:20 acceptable to God
1 pet 2:21-22 suffer as Christ suffered
righteousness implies & requires acts (volition) of righteousness
just deeds unto faithfulness in the new covenant!
mt 3:15
mt 10:22
mt 25
mt 6:33
mt 7:7
mt 26:41
mt 7:14
Lk 1:75
acts 10:35
rom 3:21
rom 5:21
rom 6:18
1 tim 6:11
1 tim 2:22
2 tim 3:16
heb 11:33
2 pet 2:21
1 Jn 2:29
1 Jn 3:7
1 pet 2:24
mt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (Practices)
Luke 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
(acts / deeds)
Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: (works of the flesh) but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (living works of righteousness)
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, (works of the flesh) or of obedience unto righteousness? (living works of righteousness)
Romans 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; (works of the flesh) even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (living works of righteousness)
1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (living works of righteousness)
1 tim 6: 11-14
11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(Living works of righteousness)
thks
will never inherit the kingdom of God or attain to eternal salvation!
mt 25:30
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Gal 6:7-8
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
eternal security is offensive to the virtue of Hope!
thks
faith and works after justification are meritorious!
Cos in justification we have union with God in Christ by grace, empowered by His life, grace, merits, and Holy Spirit!
Jn 15:5
apart from Christ?
NOTHING!
phil 4:13
Union with Christ?
ALL THINGS!
thks
new testament as well!
rom 2:6:7
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
rev 2:10
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
thks
we still have a fallen human nature and are oriented towards sin, but
God provides a remedy for sin in this life, suffering!
1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life...
Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer with Him, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
2 tim 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing
Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Galatians 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
Rev 2: 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
With faith, hope, & charity and all the virtues, prayer, fasting, alms etc.
in all things abiding in Christ
(Jn 15:1-6) endure unto the end!
(mt 10:22 rev 2:10)
thks
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they can't explain the virtue of hope either!
or ps 23:3 He restores my soul!
revival or eternal security not both!
revival implies life then death then a return to life
thks
I guess your not going to defend your assertions?
do we have total substitution or partial with union?
grace or eternal salvation?
thks
As I pointed out to someone else, salvation is spoken of in Scripture using three terms: justification (a one-time, past event); sanctification (both a one-time, past event and ongoing process); glorification (at death or after the final judgement). Justification leads to sanctification, which leads to glorification:
Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. (ESV)
Believers are already saved unto eternal salvation:
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (ESV)
Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. (ESV)
Joh 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. (ESV)
Joh 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. (ESV)
And Paul repeatedly uses past tense for the salvation of believers:
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— (ESV)
...
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. (ESV)
2Ti 1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, (ESV)
Tit 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, (ESV)
All of it--justification, sanctification, glorification--is by the grace of God.
eternal life is not eternal salvation
eternal life is the life of God, Christ shares His life with us by grace. Jn 10:10
some of scripture excludes works
some scripture includes works
contradiction? no!
implies that salvation is a multiple part process, some parts we have no participation, some we must participate!
The initial grace of justification:
Justification is a gratuitous gift of God!
No man can merit, or earn grace either by works or by faith
Initial grace by works? no!
by faith? no!
faith alone? no!
it is a gratuitous gift! thanks God!
more parts
Redemption: (in the large sense)
Christ accomplished the redemption / atonement apart from us.
Justification: Our acceptance of Christ's redemption. grace not works
Sanctification: Life of sanctifying grace, perseverance in Christ and His grace, (Jn 15:1-6) and in the deeds of righteousness, living works, the practice of the virtues, the gifts and fruits of the spirit, prayer, suffering, alms, fasting etc.
grace and works bearing fruit.
Death: in the grace of God. (Mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 rev 2:10)
Purification: pugation from sin and the effects of sin committed after justification.
Glorification: crowned by God.
(rom 8:17 2 tim 2:12)
Full eternal Salvation with God forever in heavenly glory!
(the beatific vision)
thks
If believers are given eternal life, then they have eternal salvation; they are one and the same.
Mat 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (ESV)
Do you disagree with Jesus? Was he wrong to use "eternal life" when he clearly means "eternal salvation"?
That is far too general and vague. What Scriptures exclude or include works, and in regards to what?
I know; I stated that in my post.
No one can merit justification, but it is received by faith, or else Paul is lying:
Rom 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 5:2 Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Of course.
The definitions of justification:
G1344
δικαιόω
dikaioō
Thayer Definition:
1) to render righteous or such he ought to be
2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be
Justification as it relates to the one-time event, the first step of salvation, is found in definitions 1 and 3. Once a person is justified, they are saved--they have eternal life and eternal salvation.
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if we have justification it is union with God by grace not eternal salvation.
grace can be lost by deadly sin.
and increased by good works
thks
eternal life is not the same as eternal salvation
you cannot lose salvation!
you can lose life!
grace is the life of God that we receive from Christ, (Jn 10:10) and must abide in Christ and bear fruit, (Lk 3:9 & Jn 15:1-6) if we are faithful till death we will enter into eternal salvation. mk 13:13
mt 10:22 mt 24:13 rev 2:10
mk 10:30 and in the world to come eternal life.
thks
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