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Good to see you quoting 2 Tim :)
2 Tim 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Rightly divide -- correctly apply what applies to who.
That might be a part of what "rightly divide" means, but it certainly means more than that.

eg, do we do animal sacrifices today for the remission of sin ?
If not why not if all Scripture applies to us ?
Is there a reason why you don't want to address what I stated? Why are you jumping to animal sacrifices when we're discussing what Paul, Jesus, and the NT writers taught? Do you disagree with what Paul taught in 2 Tim. 2:15-16?
 
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Again, what about them? I fully agree with those. Why do you want me to respond to those verses when you're not willing to respond to the ones I've posted?
ok start over

ask your question please

one thing at a time these are large and complicated subjects

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Yes, I know, and that has been my point. It is you who has argued that eternal life does not mean eternal salvation. Now you’re just contradicting yourself.
in that verse it does mean eternal salvation cos its after death after judgement

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That might be a part of what "rightly divide" means, but it certainly means more than that.


Is there a reason why you don't want to address what I stated? Why are you jumping to animal sacrifices when we're discussing what Paul, Jesus, and the NT writers taught? Do you disagree with what Paul taught in 2 Tim. 2:15-16?
Unless, I misunderstood, you appear to believe that ALL scripture applies to us
I then used animal sacrifices as an example as to why ALL scripture is not applicable today.
What question are you now asking ?
 

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Unless, I misunderstood, you appear to believe that ALL scripture applies to us
I then used animal sacrifices as an example as to why ALL scripture is not applicable today.
What question are you now asking ?
All I did was quote Paul, whom you say is the only one whose teachings we are to follow. But it is Paul who says:

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

I am asking the same questions:

Is there a reason why you don't want to address what Paul wrote in 2 Tim. 2:16-17? Do you disagree with those verses?

If verses about animal sacrifices aren’t relevant in any way for us today, then Paul is wrong.
 

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All I did was quote Paul, whom you say is the only one whose teachings we are to follow. But it is Paul who says:

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

I am asking the same questions:

Is there a reason why you don't want to address what Paul wrote in 2 Tim. 2:16-17? Do you disagree with those verses?

If verses about animal sacrifices aren’t relevant in any way for us today, then Paul is wrong.
I >>> AGREE<<<< with ALL of 2 Tim 3:16-17
I >>> AGREE<<<< with ALL of Scripture
The command is to RIGHTLY DIVIDE = correctly applying relevant Scripture to the relevant age/audience.
All Scripture is for us to know & learn from
Yet where in those verses does Paul teach adherence to all Scripture is a requirement today to be saved,sealed,justified,made righteous ?
eg :- Does any of the following Scripture apply to us today and if not why not ?
Animal sacrifices
Dietary restrictions
Kill all the Canaanites
Kill adulterers
Not eat from the tree of knowledge
Don't touch the Ark
Lay hands & pray to receive the HS
Jews not to mix with the Gentiles
Circumcision
 

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I >>> AGREE<<<< with ALL of 2 Tim 3:16-17
I >>> AGREE<<<< with ALL of Scripture
The command is to RIGHTLY DIVIDE = correctly applying relevant Scripture to the relevant age/audience.
All Scripture is for us to know & learn from
Yet where in those verses does Paul teach adherence to all Scripture is a requirement today to be saved,sealed,justified,made righteous ?
eg :- Does any of the following Scripture apply to us today and if not why not ?
Animal sacrifices
Dietary restrictions
Kill all the Canaanites
Kill adulterers
Not eat from the tree of knowledge
Don't touch the Ark
Lay hands & pray to receive the HS
Jews not to mix with the Gentiles
Circumcision
Of course, but none of that has to do with this discussion.
 

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What are you trying to discuss/prove ?
Really? It’s obvious—that your position is self-contradictory and unbiblical. If believers are to believe and follow Paul’s teachings alone, as you claim, then we must believe that:

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

It can’t both be true that believers are to only believe and follow Paul’s teachings while he says all Scripture is to be believed and followed. “All Scripture” means all, including the OT, the Gospels, all the epistles, etc.

There is something wrong with your understanding of apostleship, which leads to a wrong understanding of which Scriptures are to be believed and followed by believers.
 

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Really? It’s obvious—that your position is self-contradictory and unbiblical. If believers are to believe and follow Paul’s teachings alone, as you claim, then we must believe that:

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

It can’t both be true that believers are to only believe and follow Paul’s teachings while he says all Scripture is to be believed and followed. “All Scripture” means all, including the OT, the Gospels, all the epistles, etc.

There is something wrong with your understanding of apostleship, which leads to a wrong understanding of which Scriptures are to be believed and followed by believers.
Really ? Don't you know how to RIGHTLY DIVIDE ?
Try again
Does any of the following Scripture apply to us today and if not why not ?
Animal sacrifices
Dietary restrictions
Kill all the Canaanites
Kill adulterers
Not eat from the tree of knowledge
Don't touch the Ark
Lay hands & pray to receive the HS
Jews not to mix with the Gentiles
Circumcision
 

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Really ? Don't you know how to RIGHTLY DIVIDE ?
Try again
Does any of the following Scripture apply to us today and if not why not ?
Animal sacrifices
Dietary restrictions
Kill all the Canaanites
Kill adulterers
Not eat from the tree of knowledge
Don't touch the Ark
Lay hands & pray to receive the HS
Jews not to mix with the Gentiles
Circumcision
Not relevant. You’re avoiding trying to address what Paul said and how it contradicts your position.
 

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Spell it out again JF, what Paul verses contradicts my position ?
I’m not going to state again what I’ve stated several times already. But, as I’ve added in our other discussion:

1Co 1:12 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.”
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
 

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I’m not going to state again what I’ve stated several times already. But, as I’ve added in our other discussion:

1Co 1:12 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.”
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
No claim was made that Paul was crucified for us.
Christ sent Paul to teach the Gospel to ?
Christ sent Peter to teach the Gospel to ?
Hint, Gal 2:7-9, so who is your Apostle and what are the saving Gospel verses that he teaches you ?
Ps, need a hand ? >> 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 :)
 

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No claim was made that Paul was crucified for us.
Christ sent Paul to teach the Gospel to ?
Christ sent Peter to teach the Gospel to ?
Hint, Gal 2:7-9, so who is your Apostle and what are the saving Gospel verses that he teaches you ?
Ps, need a hand ? >> 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 :)
The whole point seems lost on you. You are saying that we are to follow Paul only, one of the very things Paul himself argues against.

1Co 1:11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers.
1Co 1:12 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.”
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

But the crux of Paul's point here is: "Is Christ divided?" You're dividing Christ by saying believers are to follow Paul only.
 
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The whole point seems lost on you. You are saying that we are to follow Paul only, one of the very things Paul himself argues against.

1Co 1:11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers.
1Co 1:12 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.”
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

But the crux of Paul's point here is: "Is Christ divided?" You're dividing Christ by saying believers are to follow Paul only.
This an easy question :)
Gal 2:7-9.
According to those verses who is your Apostle ?
What are the saving verses that he/they teach that applies to you ?
 

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This an easy question :)
Gal 2:7-9.
According to those verses who is your Apostle ?
What are the saving verses that he/they teach that applies to you ?
That’s not only avoiding the question, you’re doing the very thing Paul is speaking against in 1 Cor. 1:12-13, putting it in contradiction with what you think Gal. 2:7-9 is saying. Again, it shows that your idea of apostleship is incorrect, which is supported by 2 Tim. 3:16-17.
 

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That’s not only avoiding the question, you’re doing the very thing Paul is speaking against in 1 Cor. 1:12-13, putting it in contradiction with what you think Gal. 2:7-9 is saying. Again, it shows that your idea of apostleship is incorrect, which is supported by 2 Tim. 3:16-17.
According to Gal 2:7-9 who is the Apostle to you ?
No hurry, take your time :)