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Dcopymope

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Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, wisdom and understanding.

If you had any fear of the Lord you would know the answer to that question.

You do know that the life of the flesh is in the blood right? Yet here you people are claiming that Jesus, who rose bodily from the tomb has no blood in him, which effectively denies the ressurection since you cannot have flesh without the blood. Scripture doesn't contradict itself..........and if you had any fear of the Lord, you would know this..........:rolleyes:
 

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You do know that the life of the flesh is in the blood right? Yet here you people are claiming that Jesus, who rose bodily from the tomb has no blood in him, which effectively denies the ressurection since you cannot have flesh without the blood. Scripture doesn't contradict itself..........and if you had any fear of the Lord, you would know this..........:rolleyes:

John 20
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.




So it is your belief that as Jesus stood there He was still bleeding from His wounds. Why was that not mentioned in the scriptures?
 
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Well I guess Jesus should have cut himself with a knife to prove he still had blood in him, since there isn't a shred of evidence in scripture specifically stating that he has no blood.

Why would Jesus need to prove he had no blood?

(Luke 24:39) "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
 
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John 20
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.




So it is your belief that as Jesus stood there He was still bleeding from His wounds. Why was that not mentioned in the scriptures?

And that scripture is somehow imlying in your mind that the blood was sucked out of him in his resurrection..........m'kay. Its amazing how people can inject an idea into something that is completely out of the blue hey.

Why would Jesus need to prove he had no blood?

(Luke 24:39) "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

And exactly where does it say that he has no blood flowing through him? If I'm going to inject an idea into something purely by the fact that the text doesn't mention it, then I could do that to a ton of scriptures. Here, I'll show you one example.

(Genesis 2:22-23) "And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. {23} And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

If am to believe you and your assumptions about the body of Jesus, then I have to believe it was the same case for Adam and Eve as well. Going by your interpretation, Adam and Eve didn't have blood since it wasn't mentioned, they were only flesh and bone. But of course that can't be because scripture makes it very clear that the blood is the life of the flesh.

(Leviticus 17:10-11) "¶ And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people. {11} For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."
 
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And that scripture is somehow imlying in your mind that the blood was sucked out of him in his Resurrection..........m'kay. Its amazing how people can inject an idea into something that is completely out of the blue hey.

So was He still bleeding? If there was blood pumping through His veins, that side wound had to be bleeding profusely.

Do you have an answer for that or are you one of those people who inject ideas completely out of the blue?
 

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And exactly where does it say that he has no blood flowing through him?

1 Corinthians 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
 

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Well, my point was that he doesn't have to actually fill the earth with his presence in order fill it. The point Jeremiah made was that there isn't a hole you can crawl in that can hide you from God. Scripture cannot contradict each other, otherwise your faith is no good. Either heaven is his throne, his dwelling place, and earth is his footstool, or its not.
Does God have to fit so well into your box or mine? Remember also these words:

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

When the apostle Paul wrote those words, he included himself among those with limited vision. Any one who has not already seen the "face to face" may be wrong in some part which he does not yet understand, so I always try to be cautious about assuring everyone else that I am always wrong while they of course are wrong whenever they disagree with me. To my definite knowledge Jesus is the only man who was never wrong about the things of God.
 
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Is that all you got? What about his bones? Since it doesn't mention his bones, then I guess my skeletal system can inherit the kingdom of god.
All of the other bones were either broken or in some other way shown to be not up to the task. The bones of Jesus on the other hand were never broken. Notice that even the one designated by many as the "good thief" on the cross next to Jesus had his legs broken.

"Our bones are scattered at the grave's mouth, as when one cutteth and cleaveth wood upon the earth." Psalm 141:7
"By long forbearing is a prince persuaded, and a soft tongue breaketh the bone." Prov 25.15
"Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice." Psalm 51:8

So where then are the bones of the Body of Christ? Where is the Blood?
 
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You do know that the life of the flesh is in the blood right? ................................

Perhaps the Holy Spirit which giveth Life is the spiritual Blood of the Body of Christ:
"[God] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" II Cor 3:6
 

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So was He still bleeding? If there was blood pumping through His veins, that side wound had to be bleeding profusely.

Do you have an answer for that or are you one of those people who inject ideas completely out of the blue?

So quoting the scripture about the blood being the life of the flesh is me "injecting ideas completely out of the blue", even though the blood is the damn subject? hmmm, m'kay pal. :rolleyes:

1 Corinthians 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

The rest of the scripture:
(1 Corinthians 15:51-55) "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, {52} In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. {53} For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. {54} So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. {55} O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"

In context, MORTAL flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom, but when the mortal is changed into the incorruptible like the body of Jesus, then it can. You can make the text say whatever the hell you want when robbed of its context.
 

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Perhaps the Holy Spirit which giveth Life is the spiritual Blood of the Body of Christ:
"[God] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" II Cor 3:6

The spirit gives life to the blood, and the blood gives life to the flesh. You cannot have one without the other, anymore than you can have the Father and the Son without the holy ghost.

(1 John 5:7-8) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. {8} And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
 

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So quoting the scripture about the blood being the life of the flesh is me "injecting ideas completely out of the blue", even though the blood is the damn subject? hmmm, m'kay pal. :rolleyes:

If you don't know just say so. If you can't discuss this without getting mad, just walk away.



In context, MORTAL flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom, but when the mortal is changed into the incorruptible like the body of Jesus, then it can. You can make the text say whatever the hell you want when robbed of its context.


With a mouth like that it's no wonder you have little understanding.

Perhaps you could ask a family member to explain it to you.
 

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And that scripture is somehow imlying in your mind that the blood was sucked out of him in his resurrection..........m'kay. Its amazing how people can inject an idea into something that is completely out of the blue hey.



And exactly where does it say that he has no blood flowing through him? If I'm going to inject an idea into something purely by the fact that the text doesn't mention it, then I could do that to a ton of scriptures. Here, I'll show you one example.



If am to believe you and your assumptions about the body of Jesus, then I have to believe it was the same case for Adam and Eve as well. Going by your interpretation, Adam and Eve didn't have blood since it wasn't mentioned, they were only flesh and bone. But of course that can't be because scripture makes it very clear that the blood is the life of the flesh.

The normal expression for Christ to have used would have been 'flesh and blood'. So, it is significant that He used flesh and bone. Why? Because there was no blood in the resurrected Christ.

(Heb. 17:11) does say the life of the flesh is in the blood. But that is the earthly body, not the resurrected body. (1 Cor. 15:44) "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." Thus the life of the spiritual body, though composed of flesh and bone, is in the Spirit.

Plus, Jesus Christ entered the true tabernacle by His blood just like the Old Testament priests entered the tabernacle by the blood of bulls and goats. That true heavenly tabernacle is real. And Jesus entering it is real. And Jesus presenting His blood should be just as real. (Heb. 9:11-12)

You seem to be making the assumption that Christ's resurrected body had blood. Which means you are injecting an idea because the text doesn't mention it. Where exactly does it say that? It doesn't. And more Scriptures are shown proving that His resurrected body was flesh and bone and without blood.

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The spirit gives life to the blood, and the blood gives life to the flesh. You cannot have one without the other, anymore than you can have the Father and the Son without the holy ghost.
I see that your needle is stuck on that point... How likely is it that the song will ever be finished without assistance?
 
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Alright, time for a stupid question:

What is done with the blood of a sacrifice?


Exodus 29
10 “You shall also have the bull brought before the tabernacle of meeting, and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands on the head of the bull.
11 Then you shall kill the bull before the Lord, by the door of the tabernacle of meeting.
12 You shall take some of the blood of the bull and put it on the horns of the altar with your finger, and pour all the blood beside the base of the altar.
 

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The blood was poured out before God, the perfect sacrifice. ✟

Now His blood is all powerful and ever alive...the Devil hates it!


1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth ( present tense) us from all sin.

Revelation 12:11 - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Hebrews 13:20 - Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Hebrews 9:14 - How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?