Built On The Wrong Apostle

[Ac28]

I can't find the phrase "Mother of God" in the Bible. Mary was the mother of Jesus, the man, the Son of Man. She was not the mother of the glorified God. Our Lord Jesus Christ, God the Son, Jehovah of the OT, the Creator of all, wasn't born of Mary or any other woman. He is the "I Am", the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last. When the Bible is silent, we must also be silent. That's something the RCC never learned - they started creating their own "truths" from day one. Of course, the RCC is a political organization, a church in name only. And, of course, the brothers and sisters in Mk 6:3 are Mary's natural children, Jesus' brothers and sisters, just like it says.

Every doctrine of the RCC, that is founded on fake oral tradition, which Christ hated and spoke strongly against (mt 15:3, 6, Mk 7:9, 13), because it nullified the Word of God, is a lie, by definition. Christ's words in those passages nullify about 90-95% of all Catholic doctrine. The most laughable thing, though, is the joke about the Catholic Church replacing Israel. That's not only non-Biblical, that's anti-Biblical and extremely heretical. Even some Protestant churches have caught onto that garbage.

The only reason the RCC isn't still murdering non-Catholics today is because they can no longer get away with it.

Bread of Life. The only lies you've exposed online for 14 years are the innumerable collection of lies held, as doctrine, by the Catholic Church.

 

[FHII]

I can't find the phrase "Mother of God" in the Bible. Mary was the mother of Jesus, the man, the Son of Man. She was not the mother of the glorified God

Amen! Mary gave birth to the vessel God jumped into. He wanted so save men so he became one. Claims that Mary is the mother of God are rediculous.

Every doctrine of the RCC, that is founded on fake oral tradition, which Christ hated and spoke strongly against (mt 15:3, 6, Mk 7:9, 13), because it nullified the Word of God, is a lie, by definition.

I am 50/50 on this... Despite what some on this board may claimboard, I am not sola scripura. I am, however one qho believes if extra biblical accounts don't line up with the Bible, they are wrong. Especially (and really, exclusively) when they contradict the Bible.

I have no problem believing Peter was in Rome even though there is only one cryptic verse in the Bible that hints he was. The writings of early Christians is enough for me. That he and Paul were martyred is also my belief.

Then again... There are certain things I toss aside. The Gospel of James, for example.

The only reason the RCC isn't still murdering non-Catholics today is because they can no longer get away with it.

Seriously?

See, none of the Catholics are going to "like" this or amen me. Aspen might. But not many of the others. But I stand for truth and righteousness... Or at least fairness.

But I look at this as pretty unfair. Like I have said before... There was Protestant backlash. Are you going to assume the would also still be murdering Catholics if they could get away with it?

 

[Helen]

I am 50/50 on this... Despite what some on this board may claim board, I am not sola scripura. I am, however one who believes if extra biblical accounts don't line up with the Bible, they are wrong. Especially (and really, exclusively) when they contradict the Bible.

I so often scratch my head when I read some of the responses back and forth.
I say to myself "Why do the Caths and Prots fight so hard AGAINST each other...when he both are trying our best to love and serve the same God."

Quibbling siblings....I am sure Father God is fed up with hearing it.
What is either side trying to PROVE??? And WHY?

When the chips are down...does it really matter?
It is nothing more than a continual "eating from the three of the knowledge of good and evil."
The only thing God is interested in is the tree of LIFE!!!

 

[amadeus]

Then, either you're just not that bright - or you're extremely dishonest.

Well brightness would only count only if it meant that a person has the Light in them that Jesus brought to us. If it were speaking about someone who has a high IQ it would mean that God expects more of him in that respect that he would of a person with a low IQ. God knows what each of us has and He knows therefore exactly what He expects of each of us. No one else would know.

As to dishonesty, I never purposely am, but all of us at times have come up short on this. Putting our best foot forward or even a highly polished facsimile instead of the worst real one is a fault of everyone who is not already an overcomer as Jesus was. We should both pray that God will help to do better on that. Who can do it right all of the time without God?

The Catholic Church has taught that Jesus is the Head of the Church for 2000 years. For YOU to claim anything different is either a flat out lie - or a statement based on extreme ignorance . . .

They have apparently taught that but which denomination based on the Bible has not? It is possible for people to be double minded as James has written. Even if a church group had a perfect statement of faith, would that mean that all of the teachers and members were always in Jesus name? If they were not or are not, are they not missing something very essential, even those who believe that they belong to the very best of organized church groups?

All of us are likely to agree that God had and has a plan that was and is very good. Yet, when He wrote on tablets of stone the law for Moses, how well did the majority of the people follow His Plan through Moses? Then God sent Jesus to make a Way where there was no way. Still the majority of the people in spite of what label of membership in any church group they bear still do little better today from what I am able to see than those natural Israelites did.

But God's plan or plans remain very good. The Way is through Jesus and the Holy Ghost. A person can walk that Way in any church group including the CC, but all of them teach people [by example if not by a more definitive teaching] to quench the Holy Spirit. This means that the individual must do it right in spite of such errors. Some do, but that does not nullify the error, nor is it much help to those who simply presume that their leaders are always right.

 

[H. Richard]

In case some have forgotten here is Paul's statement as to what the gospel is.

1 Cor 15:1-8
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you — unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, (see Isaiah 53:6)
4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve.
6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep.
7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles.
8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.
NKJV

The gospel is that Jesus atoned (paid) for all of mankind's sins on the cross. In verse 2 above we see that a person must believe it.

The religions of this world do not want people to know the truth; that God has already paid for mans sins. Our salvation is the work of Jesus on the cross. But mankind will not believe it because they love their religions in which they think they can earn their salvation by what they do in religions.

 

[BreadOfLife]

7.)Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works (CCC 2036 CCC 2080 2068)

Tell me WHERE it says that forgiveness of sins requires works . . .
2036 The authority of the Magisterium extends also to the specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance, demanded by the Creator, is necessary for salvation. In recalling the prescriptions of the natural law, the Magisterium of the Church exercises an essential part of its prophetic office of proclaiming to men what they truly are and reminding them of what they should be before God.

2080 The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law. It is made known to us by divine revelation and by human reason.

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them; the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."

You see - LYING will only get you exposed . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

so you say, yes
so, the guy who believes in an Institutional Church agrees with all of the "credible" Bible scholars, what is that to me?
i mean which part of "i know the wolves will rush in as soon as i leave" are we disagreeing on here?

Apparently the truth means nothing to you.
EVERY Lone Ranger pseudo- Christian like yourself believes HIS ideas are correct.

Luther wrote the following about you guys . . .
"There are almost as many sects and beliefs as there are heads; this one will not admit baptism; that one rejects the Sacrament of the altar; another places another world between the present one and the day of judgment; some teach that Jesus Christ is not God. There is not an individual, however clownish he may be, who does not claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and who does not put forth as prophecies his ravings and dreams." - Martin Luther, Christians at Antwerp, 1525

 

[BreadOfLife]

Do you believe the Pope is Infalliable, "Yes" or "No"?

Your Chatechism States such in (2035) below, "Yes" or "No"?

2035 The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed.77

The Roman Catholic Church Teaches That The Pope Is The Vicar Of Christ On This Earth, God's Voice On This Earth, And That The Pope Is Infalliable?

This Teaching Is 100% False, As The Pope Is Nothing More Than A Imperfect Mortal Man, And Is Not The Vicar Of Christ On Earth.

Carm

A list of false teachings in the Roman Catholic Church

Following is a summarized paragraph with references found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) of many of the false teachings of Roman Catholicism. How do we know they are false? By comparing Scripture with what is taught.

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1.)The Catholic Church is the one true church (CCC 2105)
2.) Infallibility of the Catholic Church, (CCC 2035)
3.) Only the Roman Catholic Church has authority to interpret Scripture (CCC 100)
4.)The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ (CCC 2034)
5.)The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation (CCC 846)
6.)Sacred Tradition equal to scripture (CCC 82)
7.)Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works (CCC 2036 CCC 2080 2068)
8.)Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3)
9.)Grace can be merited (CCC 2010 CCC 2027)
10.)The merit of Mary and the Saints can be applied to Catholics and others (1477) 11.)Penance is necessary for salvation (CCC 980)
12.)Purgatory (CCC 1031 CCC 1475)
13.)Indulgences (CCC 1471 CCC 1478 CCC 1498 CCC 1472)
15.)Mary is Mediatrix (CCC 969)
16.) Mary brings us the gifts of eternal salvation (CCC 969)
17.)Mary delivers souls from death (CCC 966)
18.)Prayer to the saints (CCC 2677)
19.)The Communion elements become the actual body and blood of Christ (CCC 1374 CCC 1376).

As for the infallibility of the Pope - Yup - he is the infallible vicar of Christ on earth.

HOWEVER - infallible does NOT mean impeccable. He is on the teaching of faith and morals. H is NOT infallible in all of his his opinions or personal life. In other words - I'm not going to place my Superbowl bet based on who the Pope thinks is going to win.

Jesus doesn't give guarantees lightly - like the ones He gave Peter and the leaders of His Church (Matt. 16:18019, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

As for the rest of your flawed list - I would be MORE than happy to go toe-to-toe with you on EACH item because - unlike YOU - I've DONE my homework . . .

 

[Truth7t7]

As for the infallibility of the Pope - Yup - he is the infallible vicar of Christ on earth.

Fresh Of The Press Breaking News, 5 Hrs Ago.

Psalm 127:3KJV
Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

God does not make homosexuals, The Pope Is Wrong.

Romans 1:24-32 states homosexuality is sin.

TIME

Pope Francis Reportedly Told a Gay Man 'God Made You Like This'

SAINT PETER'S SQUARE, VATICAN CITY, VATICAN - 2018/03/28:

NICOLE WINFIELD / AP
May 21st, 2018
(VATICAN CITY) — Pope Francis’ reported comments to a gay man that “God made you like this” have been embraced by the LGBT community as another sign of Francis’ desire to make gay people feel welcomed and loved in the Catholic Church.

Juan Carlos Cruz, the main whistleblower in Chile’s clerical sex abuse and cover-up scandal, said Monday he spoke to Francis about his homosexuality during their recent meetings at the Vatican. The pope invited Cruz and other victims of a Chilean predator priest to discuss their cases last month.

Cruz said he told Francis how Chile’s bishops used his sexual orientation as a weapon to try to discredit him, and of the pain the personal attacks had caused him.

 

[BreadOfLife]

TIME

Pope Francis Reportedly Told a Gay Man 'God Made You Like This'

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SAINT PETER'S SQUARE, VATICAN CITY, VATICAN - 2018/03/28: Pope Francis leads his Weekly General Audience in St. Peter's Square in Vatican City, Vatican. (Photo by Giuseppe Ciccia/Pacific Press/LightRocket via Getty Images) Pacific Press—LightRocket via Getty Images
His comments were embraced by the LGBT community

NICOLE WINFIELD / AP
May 21st, 2018
(VATICAN CITY) — Pope Francis’ reported comments to a gay man that “God made you like this” have been embraced by the LGBT community as another sign of Francis’ desire to make gay people feel welcomed and loved in the Catholic Church.

Uh-huh.
And, if you were an honest person, instead of dishonest anti-Catholic - the FIRST red flag that should have gone up is the word "Reportedly".

Here's a little hint: NEVER get your theology from Time Magazine or anybody else in the liberal agenda-driven press . . .

 

[Heb 13:8]

Tell me WHERE it says that forgiveness of sins requires works . . .

It doesn't. God did the work for us. Do you not believe in the Gospel that saves. God bless.

 

[bbyrd009]

Apparently the truth means nothing to you.
EVERY Lone Ranger pseudo- Christian like yourself believes HIS ideas are correct.

Luther wrote the following about you guys . . .
"There are almost as many sects and beliefs as there are heads; this one will not admit baptism; that one rejects the Sacrament of the altar; another places another world between the present one and the day of judgment; some teach that Jesus Christ is not God. There is not an individual, however clownish he may be, who does not claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and who does not put forth as prophecies his ravings and dreams." - Martin Luther, Christians at Antwerp, 1525

meh, so i am condemned by you without evidence, i can live with that. You see me start 'prophesying' or telling you my 'visions' just lemme know k. As for my beliefs, well, at least i can say that i know they are not absolute truths.

 

[bbyrd009]

God does not make homosexuals, The Pope Is Wrong.

mmkay, but you sound awful sure wadr; i'd be reflecting for a day or two on the effects of atrazine in the water supply and unfermented soy jammed up every orifice. God makes us reap what we sow imo.

 

[BreadOfLife]

meh, so i am condemned by you without evidence, i can live with that. You see me start 'prophesying' or telling you my 'visions' just lemme know k. As for my beliefs, well, at least i can say that i know they are not absolute truths.

Yup - you can say THAT again . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

It doesn't. God did the work for us. Do you not believe in the Gospel that saves. God bless.

Yet YOU posted that the Catechism makes this claim.
Why would you LIE like that when you know I'm going to expose you for it?

 

[Heb 13:8]

Yet YOU posted that the Catechism makes this claim.
Why would you LIE like that when you know I'm going to expose you for it?

Catecha what??? Is this a religious term?

 

[epostle1]

Fresh Of The Press Breaking News, 5 Hrs Ago.

Psalm 127:3KJV
Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

God does not make homosexuals, The Pope Is Wrong.

Romans 1:24-32 states homosexuality is sin.

TIME

Yup, nothing like a catchy headline TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT to discredit the Pope, not to mention a total misrepresentation of the Church's teaching on homosexuality.

Being a homosexual is not a sin, doing homosexual things is a sin. Contrary to truth7t7 psychotic babbling, the Pope is not endorsing homosexual behavior, he is endorsing God's love. truth7t7 doesn't understand how God could love a homosexual. Maybe his man made Bible cult shoots their wounded.

The Church has always had acceptance of homosexuals, she does not accept homosexual behavior. This is unlike fundie Bible groups who just damns them to hell. There is nothing wrong with the Pope saying,"‘God made you like this and loves you like this’. This is not an endorsement of homosexual behavior, which is sinful. It is an endorsement of God's love. So you ignore that and read into the Pope's words that aren't there. Did you know that God loves sinners? Does your Bible group teach that God hates sinners?

If a heterosexual husband in truth7t7's church cheats on his wife, does God stop loving him?

Look at the context. The Pope is meeting with victims.

How many Protestant clerics have met face to face with victims to apologize? Yet the Pope gets condemned by the world because he takes responsibility for things he never did.

Do you realize how badly the media misrepresents the Pope? That's why no official content of the PRIVATE conversations were issued. "Who am I to judge" is a favorite phrase the media has been pounding because taken out of context, it misses the moral teaching that goes with it.

 

[epostle1]

The internet has been set ablaze following reports of highly controversial comments made by Pope Francis during a private conversation with an openly gay man. Juan Carlos Cruz, who suffered abuse at the hands of a Chilean priest, spent three days with Francis talking openly about his struggles with his sexuality and horrific experiences of abuse.

Here’s what Pope Francis allegedly said, according to Juan Carlos, who discussed his meeting with the pontiff in an interview with CNN:

“You know Juan Carlos, that does not matter. God made you like this. God loves you like this. The Pope loves you like this and you should love yourself and not worry about what people say.”

If reported accurately, the pope’s comments mark a distinct break from over 2,000 years of Catholic teaching, which considers homosexuality “objectively disordered” and in contradiction to God’s law.

As section 2357 of the Catholic Catechism notes:

“Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

When asked to confirm the Pope’s remarks with Cruz, the Vatican issued a simple statement: “We do not normally comment on the Pope’s private conversations.” (but the internet does)

In 2013, Francis famously remarked, “If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with goodwill, who am I to judge?” when pressed for his views on homosexuality.

“Tell me: When God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’” he said (translated). (Reject and condemn, according to truth7t7.)

Some are unconvinced that the Pope has said anything out of line.

“I welcome any statement from Pope Francis which reminds people that gay people (like anyone) should love themselves,” wrote Douglas Robertson at the Independent. “But what he has reportedly intimated to this victim is not radical, it is not new, and it belies a wider official teaching on homosexuality that is very clear.”

The Catechism, which represents the Church’s official teaching on a range of social and moral issues, says this about those struggling with homosexuality:

“2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

“I am glad that we are talking about ‘homosexual people’ because before all else comes the individual person, in his wholeness and dignity. And people should not be defined only by their sexual tendencies: let us not forget that God loves all his creatures and we are destined to receive his infinite love.”
– Pope Francis, The Name of God is Mercy

Courage members are men and women who experience same-sex attractions and who have made a commitment to strive for chastity. They are inspired by the Gospel call to holiness and the Catholic Church’s beautiful teachings about the goodness and inherent purpose of human sexuality.

Through our apostolate, people who experience same-sex attraction receive pastoral support in the form of spiritual guidance, community prayer support, and fellowship.
https://couragerc.org/

Chastity isn't just about "no sex". It means fidelity with God. I'm sure you have heard of it.

 

[epostle1]

Anti-Catholics, at war with the Church, are mentally ill.

 

[epostle1]

I can't find the phrase "Mother of God" in the Bible. Mary was the mother of Jesus, the man, the Son of Man. She was not the mother of the glorified God.

No one said Mary is the mother of the glorified God. That is a straw man fallacy. We believe Jesus is God, and Mary is His mother. In that sense, Mary is the mother of God.

Our Lord Jesus Christ, God the Son, Jehovah of the OT, the Creator of all, wasn't born of Mary or any other woman. He is the "I Am", the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last.

How do you think Jesus came to earth? In a space ship???

When the Bible is silent, we must also be silent. That's something the RCC never learned - they started creating their own "truths" from day one.

Infallible Catholic teaching begin with what has been divinely revealed.

Of course, the RCC is a political organization, a church in name only.

That is a lie.

And, of course, the brothers and sisters in Mk 6:3 are Mary's natural children, Jesus' brothers and sisters, just like it says.

No, that is not what it says. It is a 19th century invention. http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/a27.htm

Every doctrine of the RCC, that is founded on fake oral tradition, which Christ hated and spoke strongly against (mt 15:3, 6, Mk 7:9, 13), because it nullified the Word of God, is a lie, by definition. Christ's words in those passages nullify about 90-95% of all Catholic doctrine. The most laughable thing, though, is the joke about the Catholic Church replacing Israel. That's not only non-Biblical, that's anti-Biblical and extremely heretical. Even some Protestant churches have caught onto that garbage.

Please, document from an official Catholic source, that the Church replaces Israel. Jesus condemned only the traditions that the Jews made up. Jesus said "..your traditions..."

1 Corinthians 11:2 (RSV) . . . maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 . . . stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

2 Timothy 1:13-14 Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus; [14] guard the truth that has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us.

2 Timothy 2:2 and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.
Paul is a heretic, according to you.

The only reason the RCC isn't still murdering non-Catholics today is because they can no longer get away with it.

Nobody teaches that post enlightenment crap anymore, and I challenge you to provide a reference from a reputable historian, dated after 1970. It's typical, when I asked for scholarly documentation, the ignorant anti-Catholic bigot runs and hides or changes the subject. Worse, replies with a 30 point rant.

Bread of Life. The only lies you've exposed online for 14 years are the innumerable collection of lies held, as doctrine, by the Catholic Church.

Why don't you politely ask about one doctrine at a time, and I will give you a polite answer, but I don't think you are capable. Are you a Jehovah's Witness or a Seventh Day Adventist? You rattle off the same lies as they do.