Please tell us where the words Jesus quoted were written. In what documents?
Every word Jesus quoted from was from the Old Testament Scriptures. Now you tell me, where did Jesus or anyone else quote from a translation?
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Please tell us where the words Jesus quoted were written. In what documents?
the perspective that God could not look upon sin or ever forsaked Jesus on the cross is not borne out in many other passages, and the reason Jesus made the statement becomes clear only when Nehushtan has been broken up, and the meaning of the statement "The Son Of Man must be raised up like a snake on a pole in order to draw all men unto Himself" is understood.God's oneness defies human understanding, such as when the Father had hidden the date of the end from the Son. So arguements based on the nature of God are moot, as we can't assume to know how that relationship works, its limitations, or lack thereof.
iow if you can accept it, God was not in that
at least not in the way that is commonly portrayed to us
now evil is nonetheless used for good,
but it is you that needed the sacrifice, not God.
until you don't anymore, iow
that is 'breaking up Nehushtan'
the glory you gave to Me I give to themJesus still shows us the scars on his hands, so it seems we still need to be reminded. He has earned all honor, praise and glory for what he has accomplished.
They were never called "Old Testament Scriptures" in those days. Each of the various documents had specific names. What were they?Every word Jesus quoted from was from the Old Testament Scriptures. Now you tell me, where did Jesus or anyone else quote from a translation?
Stranger
They were never called "Old Testament Scriptures" in those days. Each of the various documents had specific names. What were they?
Have you ever looked down and wondered if you really held the same Bible Jesus had, the one God breathed out supernaturally by inspiration? And further, have you ever wondered if this one is okay, because it is a translation, and not the actual Hebrew or Greek words that God gave to those 40 plus men, who He used to write the Bible?Quit playing games. If you have something to say, say it. Again, I ask, where did Jesus quote from a translation?
I distinguish 'Old Testament' from 'New Testament' for your and others benefit to know the Scripture being referred to. I could just say 'Scripture', which would be legitimate. See, (Dan. 10:21), (Mark 12:10), etc, etc. Look it up in a concordance.
Stranger
not true, Christ Quoted extra-Biblical sources also, and from translated texts, the only ones available to them i guess. Ancient Hebrew would have been as impenetrable to them as Olde Englyshe is to us. Of course Jesus would have been able to read anything i guess, but that isn't the pointEvery word Jesus quoted from was from the Old Testament Scriptures.
except for the parts that aren't.That which Christ quoted from was the copies of the Old Testament Scriptures
ah then just Quote that for us real quick and we'll see thento which He gave His approval that they were the Word of God.
Proverbs 26:4 tells me not to get too involved with your fantasies.Willie T likes it....but willie T keeps his mouth shut.
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I agree that no human sacrifice could have been sufficient to meet our need. But it wasn't just a human sacrifice...If it were, the divine part still lived in God as part of the trinity, hence the confusion. It was the Son of God who died. Not just a human body, but a divine personality Who had taken humanity as His own...become one with us in our humanity while retaining His divine nature. God gave His Son. His Son became man. But a divine person died on Calvary. Not just a human person.that is what tassel-toes will tell you, so by def it is warped imo. Christ is one with God, ergo there was no separation; "God, why have you forsaken Me" is because God does not require sacrifices for sins--ppl do. Hence why "No Son of Man may die for another's sins" is still valid, or, since that is OT, it is expressed NT also right, "no sinner may inherit the kingdom" etc
obv if Jesus covered your sins you would be able to keep sinning and inherit the kingdom, Catholic-style, sin now and ask forgiveness later, right
Proverbs 26:4 tells me not to get too involved with your fantasies.
yes, i am fam with the common (logical) interpretation, and all i can say there is there's more steps on that ladder; Jesus was not addressing Father as "God" for no reason there for instance, that can be followed out to its conclusion i guess, although i didn't come to the truth that way, that was just more supporting evidence for me. "I have given them the glory You have given Me. May they be one as We are one" is another pointer. Two Greeks came to worship Jesus and He "hid from them." Nehushtan must be broken up. You say "Son of God," He says "Son of Man."I agree that no human sacrifice could have been sufficient to meet our need. But it wasn't just a human sacrifice...If it were, the divine part still lived in God as part of the trinity, hence the confusion. It was the Son of God who died. Not just a human body, but a divine personality Who had taken humanity as His own...become one with us in our humanity while retaining His divine nature. God gave His Son. His Son became man. But a divine person died on Calvary. Not just a human person.