If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

[Marymog]

Just as I thought
Hearsay from Mary
It's been going around the forum, not my idea

Dear friend: Please QUOTE the hearsay I have put forth.

Curious Mary

PS....I suspect we are playing dodge ball again but I wait with baited breath for your response.

 

[epostle1]

foolish talk
you take secret oaths, unless you haven't advanced that far
You think I don't know about the Knights of columbus because I'm not a member
They threatened me with personal harm once because I was preaching the Gospel to one of their members
They don't allow that

My mother use to take me there to bingo on a weeknight now and then
They called themselves Jesuits and the army of the catholic church
Maybe they've toned things down these days, just like the KKK.

You have been seriously brain washed by your SDA buddies. You're mainlining lies and falsehoods like a heroine addict shoots heroine. Then you say the most stupid things; I've seen it all before. What you said about the pope, for example, is standard anti-Catholic stupidity. What offends me is you actually believe Catholics are that stupid as to believe your straw man fallacies.
The pope doesn't speak from God, that is a major straw man fallacy.
Knights don't take secret oaths. The reason you are lashing out against a church you know nothing about, is because you can't answer one simple question, so you act like a spoiled brat and throw poop at me.



Anti-Catholicism is a sin. Please, keep your lies, falsehoods, and prejudice to yourself. Your blatant anti-Catholic bigotry is offensive and unbecoming of anyone claiming to be a Christian. Grow up. It's obvious to me you can't learn or understand anything beyond your preconceptions, since you repeated the same lie twice.
Good bye.

 

[Enoch111]

383 AD.

That's what the Catholic Church teaches. But the canon was complete by 100 AD and was established by 200 AD. The Muratori Canon (c 200 AD) does not include all the books which we have, but that does not mean that they were not being used by Christians.

 

[BreadOfLife]

That's what the Catholic Church teaches. But the canon was complete by 100 AD and was established by 200 AD. The Muratori Canon (c 200 AD) does not include all the books which we have, but that does not mean that they were not being used by Christians.

First of all - it's called the "Muratorian Fragment".

Secondly, whereas it lists many of the Books in the official canon - it doesn't list them ALL. It also lists other Books such as the Apocalypse of Peter, the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle to the Laodiceans, etc. These Books were NOT approved by the Church as being inspired and therefore, never made it to the official Canon which YOU adhere to - minus the 7 OT Books you guys threw out.

During a period of 37 years at the end of the 4th and the turn of the 5th century, the Canon of Scripture was formally declared and confirmed FIVE times.

- The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified.
- It was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo eleven years later (393).
- At the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Wow.....calling someone dumb on a public discussion board is pretty sad. It gives the appearance you have lost the argument so you are resorting to name calling.....

Dear Rollo: It is clear you really don't know your Christian History or where you got that bible full of dust sitting under your couch you occasionally (miss) quote from??? Do some research and learn about YOUR Christian history.

I would never stoop the childish level of calling you dumb like you did @BreadOfLife .....I would say you just lack the desire to learn therefor that makes you un-educated. A dumb person can't learn.....I think YOU can. I don't think you are dumb. I have faith in you.

Mary

Thanks Mary
You're so sweet sometimes

 

[bbyrd009]

Funny how you keep perpetuating

funny how you keep calling Christians "splinter groups" yet here you are on a Christian forum, huh?

you don't even recognize that every time you say that you are admitting that you are not a Christian, and all you can possibly do here is troll, do you

 

[bbyrd009]

"When you dance with the devil, the devil don't change. The devil changes you."

 

[BreadOfLife]

funny how you keep calling Christians "splinter groups" yet here you are on a Christian forum, huh?
you don't even recognize that every time you say that you are admitting that you are not a Christian, and all you can possibly do here is troll, do you

Wow, another lie - but I'm not surprised because it's coming from YOU.

I never said that all Christians were "splinter" groups.
Only Protestant Christians.

goodbye hypocrite

Ahhhhh, resorting to name-calling.
The last refuge of the TRULY desperate . . .

At least now we know you couldn't provide any historical documentation for your asinine charges.

 

[BreadOfLife]

"When you dance with the devil, the devil don't change. The devil changes you."

Does that include making FALSE accusations like YOU did in post #410 and #412??

Ummmmm, don't blame ME for those stupid posts.
All I did was expose you . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

Wow

"
The Virgin cult which managed to attach itself to Mary was not originally Marian because it stems from deep antiquity. In Biblical times it had its most recent installment in Pallas Athena. The noun παλλας (pallas) means youth or the childlike conditions just prior to the adolescent journey to adulthood, and the verb παλλω (pallo) means to exist in the stationary conditions just prior to a setting off (of a missile being launched, of lots to be tossed).

It's not wholly clear where the name Athena technically comes from but various stories suggest that it represents a plural (Athenai) which in turn refers to a cluster of divine daughters of Zeus, which were personifications of city states, or more precise: the societies that could crystallize by merit of specific social theories and their enforcement..." http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Mary.html#.W1eO3NJKiUl

emphasis on the "enforcement" part, of course "Pax" was a cruel joke to those ruled by Rome from afar, as well as to poor Romans; and only became one to the rich at the Fall of Empire.

Roman "Pax" is always at the point of a gun

 

[BreadOfLife]

"
The Virgin cult which managed to attach itself to Mary was not originally Marian because it stems from deep antiquity. In Biblical times it had its most recent installment in Pallas Athena. The noun παλλας (pallas) means youth or the childlike conditions just prior to the adolescent journey to adulthood, and the verb παλλω (pallo) means to exist in the stationary conditions just prior to a setting off (of a missile being launched, of lots to be tossed).

It's not wholly clear where the name Athena technically comes from but various stories suggest that it represents a plural (Athenai) which in turn refers to a cluster of divine daughters of Zeus, which were personifications of city states, or more precise: the societies that could crystallize by merit of specific social theories and their enforcement..." http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Mary.html#.W1eO3NJKiUl

Ay, ay, ay . . . SO desperate.
You got publicly shamed for being caught in several lies - and now you're pouting . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

"
As Athens' social theory developed, Athena's divine character grew increasingly pronounced. While her brother Ares (or Mars) came to represent the brute force of war, Athena assumed the craft and art of it, along with various other skills and wisdoms. She particularly came to patron the art of weaving and see the Hebrew commentary on this in the obvious parallel of Samson and Delilah (Judges 16:14). The ancient art of weaving is expressed by the proto-Indo-European root teks-, from which we get our word "textile". In the Greek language this same ancient root gave rise to the verb τικτω(tikto), from which comes our word "technology"...ibid

 

[Heb 13:8]

Sheep are the obedient (faithful) ones who will be rewarded with eternal life with God.
Goats are the disobedient who will be condemned to Hell.

YOUR problem is that you actually believe that you can be a Goat and STILL be saved.
Good luck with that . . .

No, the sheep are believers in Christ and the goats/wolves are nonbelievers, those who haven't come to faith yet. Take your time reading below...

Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matt 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 10:16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

Matt 25:32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Jhn 10:1-10 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them. 7Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.a They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

Acts 8:32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading: "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

Acts 20:25-29 “Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. 26Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you. 27For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

Rom 8:36 As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

Heb 13:20-22 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 22Brothers and sisters, I urge you to bear with my word of exhortation, for in fact I have written to you quite briefly.

 

[Phoneman777]

OK dodge ball queen....One more try to answer a question based on a HISTORICAL FACT:

When Luther wanted to remove 7 books from the bible was that a legitimate "protest" against the RCC or against God???

Last chance to redeem yourself and give the appearance of being a rational person

Patient Mary

Wait, a Papist who thinks that Protestantism has no excuse for hitting a post-Dark Ages hermeneutical speed bump - when the Papacy is the system which decreed, sanctioned, and orchestrated a 1,000 year long Dark Age hermeneutic drought - is setting himself up as a judge of what is rational?

(BTW, I'm a male, so for you that would "Dodge Ball King", sir)

 

[Marymog]

Wait, a Papist who thinks that Protestantism has no excuse for hitting a post-Dark Ages hermeneutical speed bump - when the Papacy is the system which decreed, sanctioned, and orchestrated a 1,000 year long Dark Age hermeneutic drought - is setting himself up as a judge of what is rational?

(BTW, I'm a male, so for you that would "Dodge Ball King", sir)

When did that 1,000 year drought start?

Soooo I am guessing your answer is you thought it was OK for Luther to begin the new tradition of removing 7 books from scripture. I suspect that is a 500 year tradition you like. Do you like Catholic traditions??? You know the one I am talking of. The 2,000 year tradition of having those 7 books as scripture.

Luther also wanted remove books from the NT. Are you OK with that????

Mary

BTW....You play dodge ball like a girl so that is why I called you dodge ball QUEEN. But I will start calling you by the name that YOU have chosen.

Dodge ball king phoneman

 

[Phoneman777]

When did that 1,000 year drought start?

Soooo I am guessing your answer is you thought it was OK for Luther to begin the new tradition of removing 7 books from scripture. I suspect that is a 500 year tradition you like. Do you like Catholic traditions??? You know the one I am talking of. The 2,000 year tradition of having those 7 books as scripture.

Luther also wanted remove books from the NT. Are you OK with that????

Mary

BTW....You play dodge ball like a girl so that is why I called you dodge ball QUEEN. But I will start calling you by the name that YOU have chosen.

Dodge ball king phoneman

When Papal reign began is when the drought began. The Word of God was quickly replaced with "the word of the pope".

Why do you continue to condemn Luther for a mistake which he later corrected? It must have been tough living in your house.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, the sheep are believers in Christ and the goats/wolves are nonbelievers, those who haven't come to faith yet. Take your time reading below...

WRONG.
The Goats and the Wolves are NOT the same group.

The Wolves are false teachers and prophets.
The Goats are those who professed faith in the Lord and didn't PRACTICE it. They are exactly like the lazy servant in the Parable of the Talents. Whereas, the first 2 servants invested their master's money and doubled it - the third servant buried his share and did NOTHING with it.

This is what the Goats are guilty of in Lesson of the Seep and Goats (Matt. 25:31-46).
The Goats acknowledge God as "Lord" - but deny that they ever saw HIM suffering because they didn't recognize Him in their fellow man.

The Goats didn't DO the will of God like we are ALL supposed to - and were condemned to Hell for it. Belief is NOT enough (James 2:19).

 

[BreadOfLife]

"
As Athens' social theory developed, Athena's divine character grew increasingly pronounced. While her brother Ares (or Mars) came to represent the brute force of war, Athena assumed the craft and art of it, along with various other skills and wisdoms. She particularly came to patron the art of weaving and see the Hebrew commentary on this in the obvious parallel of Samson and Delilah (Judges 16:14). The ancient art of weaving is expressed by the proto-Indo-European root teks-, from which we get our word "textile". In the Greek language this same ancient root gave rise to the verb τικτω(tikto), from which comes our word "technology"...ibid

Yup - desperate and pathetic . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

When did that 1,000 year drought start?

they don't call it the Dark Ages for nothing, Mary.

 

[Heb 13:8]

WRONG.
The Goats and the Wolves are NOT the same group.

The Wolves are false teachers and prophets.
The Goats are those who professed faith in the Lord and didn't PRACTICE it. They are exactly like the lazy servant in the Parable of the Talents. Whereas, the first 2 servants invested their master's money and doubled it - the third servant buried his share and did NOTHING with it.

This is what the Goats are guilty of in Lesson of the Seep and Goats (Matt. 25:31-46).
The Goats acknowledge God as "Lord" - but deny that they ever saw HIM suffering because they didn't recognize Him in their fellow man.

The Goats didn't DO the will of God like we are ALL supposed to - and were condemned to Hell for it. Belief is NOT enough (James 2:19).

No, in Jhn 10, Jesus explains to the Pharisees that He himself is the gate (death, burial, resurrection) and to become a sheep one would have to enter through that gate.

In Acts 20, "shepherds of the church of God" are referring to those who have the Holy Spirit and the blood of Christ.

In Rom 8:36, "we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered" is mashed in between Rom 8:35, 38-39, the most convincing OSAS passages in the NT.

In Heb 13, "the blood of the eternal covenant" is referring to "that great Shepherd of the sheep", the covenant of the shed blood of Jesus Christ to put it simply.

God bless.