Personal Revelation

[ScottA]

So be careful in calling what you're telling yourself or a demon is whispering as being from God.

That's not really the problem of this discussion.

The problem is, the blanked denial by some saying that God has not and does not in fact pour out His spirit during these times according to scriptures, while claiming there is no scriptural evidence of it...and treating those who read and have received it, as if they were delusional.

 

[jaybird]

God can do anything he wants but will not do anything he has not put a self limit on. The key phrase is wants to do.

So many things Christ could have done but didn't because he set aside his Godly powers and knowledge while in the flesh.

So those who expect God to do something more than written need to know what the bible says about where he set the limits.

So yes, the bible points out where he did things humans didn't expect. But it also points out many do not understand what he has already made known he will not do.

So be careful in calling what you're telling yourself or a demon is whispering as being from God.

if all bibles were thrown into the ocean would the Most High still be here?
if your seeking the Father He will not place you with a demon.

 

[jaybird]

That's not really the problem of this discussion.

The problem is, the blanked denial by some saying that God has not and does not in fact pour out His spirit during these times according to scriptures, while claiming there is no scriptural evidence of it...and treating those who read and have received it, as if they were delusional.

the way some people think, you dont need the spirit when you have scripture.

 

[CoreIssue]

That's not really the problem of this discussion.

The problem is, the blanked denial by some saying that God has not and does not in fact pour out His spirit during these times according to scriptures, while claiming there is no scriptural evidence of it...and treating those who read and have received it, as if they were delusional.

That but

the way some people think, you dont need the spirit when you have scripture.

Joel is future, prophecy, not now.

Gifts of the spirit are real, but not as many defined.

You can only be born again be the Holy Spirit.

But you also need the scriptures. It is not one or the other, it is both.

 

[CoreIssue]

if all bibles were thrown into the ocean would the Most High still be here?
if your seeking the Father He will not place you with a demon.

Invalid question since we're told not one iota, smalles letter of the Greek alphabet, will pass away into all is fulfilled.

It is not one or the other. We are told we need both the bible and the holy spirit. The bible is the holy spirit talking to us in written form.

Why are you trying to devalue it?

 

[jaybird]

Invalid question since we're told not one iota, smalles letter of the Greek alphabet, will pass away into all is fulfilled.

It is not one word the other. We are told we need both the bible and the holy spirit. The bible is the holy spirit talking to us in written form.

Why are you trying to devalue it?

its a perfectly logical question, what of the guy that gets shipwrecked with no bible, the poor that couldnt read in the old days, your gonna tell me the Lord will not find them when they are looking.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Invalid question since we're told not one iota, smalles letter of the Greek alphabet, will pass away into all is fulfilled.

It is not one word the other. We are told we need both the bible and the holy spirit. The bible is the holy spirit talking to us in written form.

Why are you trying to devalue it?

I'm not @jaybird , but I'm seeing his point to be highlighting the importance of the Holy Spirit-- that we always need it, and having scripture (which is fantastic) doesn't mean we don't still need the Spirit. It's not de-valuing scripture, just highlighting the "and" part of your statement.

 

[CoreIssue]

its a perfectly logical question, what of the guy that gets shipwrecked with no bible, the poor that couldnt read in the old days, your gonna tell me the Lord will not find them when they are looking.

That actually changes your question.

The bible makes it clear that creation itself testifies to god and the law of conscience inside all of us guides us.

Yes, the holy spirit guides to the reality of that law. But, nowhere does it say the holy spirit speaks in an audible voice to everyone.

 

[CoreIssue]

I'm not @jaybird , but I'm seeing his point to be highlighting the importance of the Holy Spirit-- that we always need it, and having scripture (which is fantastic) doesn't mean we don't still need the Spirit. It's not de-valuing scripture, just highlighting the "and" part of your statement.

Read my post immediately above.

 

[jaybird]

That actually changes your question.

The bible makes it clear that creation itself testifies to god and the law of conscience inside all of us guides us.

Yes, the holy spirit guides to the reality of that law. But, nowhere does it say the holy spirit speaks in an audible voice to everyone.

no one will ever see this if they never go outside the scripture. if your limited to scripture you are at the mercy of translators. nations in north america or the british isles knew of the Most High and His Son, they didnt have scriptures.
scriptures and a teacher are a good starting point, but eventually one must go to the spirit if they want to reach the next level.

 

[jaybird]

I'm not @jaybird , but I'm seeing his point to be highlighting the importance of the Holy Spirit-- that we always need it, and having scripture (which is fantastic) doesn't mean we don't still need the Spirit. It's not de-valuing scripture, just highlighting the "and" part of your statement.

i like the scriptures but one ting i noticed in the teachings of Jesus, He never calls over a scribe and tells them to write something down so everyone can read it, He didnt write things down for the 12, they learned from Jesus Himself, Paul learned from Jesus and that was after the ascension. if all our faith is in scripture, and we think there is nothing else, why expect Jesus to show up?

 

[CoreIssue]

no one will ever see this if they never go outside the scripture. if your limited to scripture you are at the mercy of translators. nations in north america or the british isles knew of the Most High and His Son, they didnt have scriptures.
scriptures and a teacher are a good starting point, but eventually one must go to the spirit if they want to reach the next level.

I repeat, the holy spirit and scripture are both essential. Nothing in the bible says otherwise or supports what you're saying.

You remind me of this Catholics, Mormons, ect claiming the bible is secondary and importance.

At the mercy of the translators? Well, who were you at the mercy of for interpreting what the holy spirit means?

Christ and the apostles made it clear using scriptures is paramount.

You cannot separate the holy spirit and bible in importance.

 

[jaybird]

I repeat, the holy spirit and scripture are both essential. Nothing in the bible says otherwise or supports what you're saying.

You remind me of this Catholics, Mormons, ect claiming the bible is secondary and importance.

At the mercy of the translators? Well, who were you at the mercy of for interpreting what the holy spirit means?

Christ and the apostles made it clear using scriptures is paramount.

You cannot separate the holy spirit and bible in importance.

this kind of thinking is why we see so few miracles today.

 

[Helen]

if all bibles were thrown into the ocean would the Most High still be here?
if your seeking the Father He will not place you with a demon.

Good point. Some seem to be saying here in this thread, that if we lost our bibles ...God couldn't possibly speak to us!!

Or as you say...God just vanishes.. LOL

 

[CoreIssue]

this kind of thinking is why we see so few miracles today.

No, what reduces the number of miracles is apostasy and as every poll shows fewer and fewer people even claimed to be Christian. And of those that do most are not.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

You remind me of this Catholics, Mormons, ect claiming the bible is secondary and importance.
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FYI: none of the people you listed actually make such a claim. Rather everyone points to the essentialness of scripture AND God who speaks to us through the Spirit.

 

[CoreIssue]

FYI: none of the people you listed actually make such a claim. Rather everyone points to the essentialness of scripture AND God who speaks to us through the Spirit.

Catholics consider tradition, creeds and Papel decrees of greater authority. Mormons put more value in the Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price and[URL='https://www.mormonwiki.com/Doctrine_and_Covenants'] Doctrine and Covenants as equal to the bible.[/URL]

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Catholics consider tradition, creeds and Papel decrees of greater authority.

Incorrect. Rather, they are considered of equal importance.

Mormons put more value in the Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants as equal to the bible.

Again, equal importance is not the same thing as "secondary".

 

[CoreIssue]

Incorrect. Rather, they are considered of equal importance.

Again, equal importance is not the same thing as "secondary".

Apparently you have not studied Mormonism. The father is the son of another god and his wife in another creation. Jesus and Satan are his sons, born of sex with his wife.

Humans can work their way up to godhood, just as the father did.

This all came out of the other books that are equal to the bible. So will bible does not stand alone. It is part of a library.

Trying to explain it away all you want, but they are a cult. As is Catholicism.

Both of which believe salvation by works.

 

[FHII]

Have you experienced it?
Have you tested it?
Has it changed your life?

I read this early and didn't respond. Now its 8 pages long and I don't have the patience to weed ot all out.

Aspen, I am not going to ask you if tou believe you've received such. I can't even answer if I have received a personal revelation, but I suspect I have. I have never seen a 9 foot tall angel with wings who calked me by name. But I can't discount that certain thoughts, situations and people weren't put in my presence for a reason. Does that count? Does it count that I turned diwn or lost jobs that eventually landed me with my wife and us both in the Church we currenty attend? God nor an angel never told me, "hey... You are going to lose this job because I got something better for you over here!"

I understamd that now and if I lose another job... I know whats up!"

But yes, I know God has visited me and has moved my life. I know he has ordered my footsteps. It has veen revealed to me. And I never saw an angel or God's butt. (Don't get offended folks... I got scripture on that... Moses saw the hinder parts of God).

But if you did, praise God! Yes, tey the spirit. Read the Bible! If this spirit doesn't contradict it.... Good. There is ine key thing you should look for. Did he come in the name of Jesus?

I would look for that specifically. They won't come in the name of the Father or the Holy Ghost. They will say they come under the authority of Jesus Christ.

Aspen... You are a good man. As it pertains to people, and there are no good but one... Who is God. But don't let any flesh man bring you down.