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Like I said, some who believe that they have the gift of interpretation in all reality do not. The real acid test of whether tongues are valid is if they are of the type spoken of in Acts of the Apostles 2:7-11 and if there is a repeat in modern circumstance of that kind of happening. And I have heard of cases like that. You can choose to disbelieve that all you want, and that is your prerogative. But I agree that we are getting nowhere; because it appears to me that you are not open to the truth of the matter.but have we tested to see if the one message and several interpretations are the same in several groups?
Understanding does edify; incomprehensible sound does not.Simply not true. Tongues by nature is speaking in a language foreign to the speaker's native language (Acts of the Apostles 2:7-11).
Their heart isn't right towards the Holy Spirit, although they may have mental assent to the tenets of the gospel. I believe that we were talking about this somewhere recently on these boards (whether in this thread or another), how mental assent to sound doctrine doesn't necessarily make you one of the elect.
If you say so...Understanding does edify; incomprehensible sound does not.
My experience is that tongues are not spontaneous today as thy were in Acts. But it is a learned and coached skill.Like I said, some who believe that they have the gift of interpretation in all reality do not. The real acid test of whether tongues are valid is if they are of the type spoken of in Acts of the Apostles 2:7-11 and if there is a repeat in modern circumstance of that kind of happening. And I have heard of cases like that. You can choose to disbelieve that all you want, and that is your prerogative. But I agree that we are getting nowhere; because it appears to me that you are not open to the truth of the matter.
I've never seen any proof while running in Charismatic circles.I believe there is solid proof. But then again, I am faithful to my wife.
Not at all. Two foreigners, probably communicating in Greek, which seems to have been universal in commerce, say to each other, "How is it that each of us hears what is being spoken in the native tongue of our own distant and separate lands?"It seems to be the case at Pentecost.
This is why there is division in the church.If anyone speaks in an unknown tongue, he edifies himself.
But I am getting tired of arguing.
There will always be division in the church, is my conclusion; because some people are simply stubborn and do not want to see it the way the word of the Lord declares it. And also, those who have the truth are commanded not to strive and so we are prone to let people believe just what they want to after a season if there is no visible change of opinion.
But Paul says;Not at all. Two foreigners, probably communicating in Greek, which seem so have been universal in commerce, say to each other, "How is it that each of us hears what is being spoken in the native tongue of our own distant and separate lands."
Of course, there were approximately 13 different languages counted that the people were speaking in on the day of Pentecost.Not at all. Two foreigners, probably communicating in Greek, which seems to have been universal in commerce, say to each other, "How is it that each of us hears what is being spoken in the native tongue of our own distant and separate lands?"
I am bowing out of this conversation.But Paul says;
“For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.” (1 Corinthians 14:2) (KJV 1900)
So what gives? The devout Jews also received the gift of interpretation.
It was probably one language all heard in their own native tongues through the gift of interpretation they also received.Of course, there were approximately 13 different languages counted that the people were speaking in on the day of Pentecost.
Thanks for time well spent. It's good to move on and maybe take a fresh run at it later.I am bowing out of this conversation.
Then maybe division in the church is ordained by God. (since this was a different subject I felt liberty to comment).This is why there is division in the church.
I can't resist this one...it was the people who were speaking in tongues on that day who had received the Holy Ghost for the first time dwelling in the upper room....those who heard them were not among them and therefore could not have had the gift of interpretation, since that was the first day that the Holy Spirit was ever poured out. I am surprised that you did not see that. It indicates to me that you are simply out to win an argument and are not looking at the information objectively.It was probably one language all heard in their own native tongues through the gift of interpretation they also received.
Devout Jews = born again Jews who received the gift of interpretation. They were believers (had the Holy Spirit) because they asked Peter what should we do in Acts 2:37? Had they not believed, they would have probably become violent.I can't resist this one...it was the people who were speaking in tongues on that day who had received the Holy Ghost for the first time dwelling in the upper room....those who heard them were not among them and therefore could not have had the gift of interpretation, since that was the first day that the Holy Spirit was ever poured out. I am surprised that you did not see that. It indicates to me that you are simply out to win an argument and are not looking at the information objectively.
Yes...I have covered it.You are covering in detail everything but the point of the conversation. Interpretation of scripture does not replace direct quotes.