42. Are We Free to Ignore God's Law if We are "Under Grace"?

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BARNEY BRIGHT

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He Jehovah God became flesh like me. And then nailed that flesh to a stick, there by showing me what emphasis I should place on my flesh

So you like many others don't believe Jehovah God sent his Only begotten Son to mankind? Instead you believe Jehovah sent himself to mankind? That it was Jehovah God who died for us? That it wasn't Jehovah God Only begotten Son who died for us? Is this what you are saying?
 

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So you like many others don't believe Jehovah God sent his Only begotten Son to mankind? Instead you believe Jehovah sent himself to mankind? That it was Jehovah God who died for us? That it wasn't Jehovah God Only begotten Son who died for us? Is this what you are saying?
Yea, heaven went silent for about a half an hour
 

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I believe that Jehovah God sent his Only begotten Son to die for mankind. I don't believe Jehovah God sent himself to die for mankind.

@BARNEY BRIGHT

Barney...
Sorry but...

That is a totally DIFFERENT DISCUSSION...which is OFF TOPIC
...there are enough rabbit trails...
....PLEASE go start a different new thread ....OR PICK IT UP IN THE MANY OLD THREADS WE HAVE on that subject.


THANKS, and bless you. H
 
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8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Hi Anthony,

Thank you for pitching in! Episkopos had said "Grace fulfills the law". I was actually interested if there were a verse stating that, because I couldn't think of one.

Much love!
Mark
 
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Hi Anthony,

Thank you for pitching in! Episkopos had said "Grace fulfills the law". I was actually interested if there were a verse stating that, because I couldn't think of one.

Much love!
Mark

There is no such verse.

Episkopos means ruler and teacher. He believes he's both and that he can see Scriptures more clearly than others. That is why I call Gnostic, because he has actually said he sees hidden knowledge.
 

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Oh, you mean here?

So, okay. You think that my claim that God's law is more authoritative than man's laws and traditions is Adventist legalism. That, despite my explanation here...

which I believe is not legalism, but can rightly be termed righteousness by faith, an entirely Biblical concept that must surely result in obedience to God's commandments, yes?

Which nature is dead to the law? The old flesh nature, or the new man born again by His Spirit? In other words, which nature died in Christ on the cross? Which nature now has Christ's life living within? Which nature was buried with Christ in baptism? Which nature was Paul referring to when he said "it is no longer I that liveth"? So which nature is no longer subject to the condemnation of the law, because it is dead in Christ, and which nature now has Christ living within empowering that new nature to holiness?

What I said was when born-again we are free of the Mosaic law. But you say we are notBy your SDA legalism per false prophetess Ellen G White.
 

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Another of @Willie T questions from his thread...

Maybe it is "just me' but I'd like to see the Q and many Answer's all in one place, not hidden between other questions and answers! lol

42. Are We Free to Ignore God's Law if We are "Under Grace"?
Proverbs 28:9
 

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18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
. All things should harmonise. Mercy, grace, law, love, practical living. not one or any of these can or should be set aside as each one is a reflection of God's character and nature, that very same character that we are being conformed to by His Spirit dwelling within.

You cannot harmonize grace and the law. If you try then you end up frustrating grace. This was a major point of Galatians.
 

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You cannot harmonize grace and the law. If you try then you end up frustrating grace. This was a major point of Galatians.
We are going through Galatians at our church at the moment. Very important point to separate law-keeping from saving faith by grace.
 
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You cannot harmonize grace and the law. If you try then you end up frustrating grace. This was a major point of Galatians.


The opposite is true. Without law you become lawless. Grace fulfills the law or else it isn't grace but permissiveness. God is not permissive. Those who gamble on this will have a huge surprise on judgment day.

Grace is the power to fulfill the law.
 

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@FHII to you both.

The opposite is true. Without law you become lawless. Grace fulfills the law or else it isn't grace but permissiveness. God is not permissive. Those who gamble on this will have a huge surprise on judgment day.

Grace is the power to fulfill the law.

You will see that I 'liked' both posts.
I see no conflict.
Is not grace the new 'law' of our life in Christ...[ God's ability in us, to do what we can't do]
Grace sets us free from the law of Moses ( which was for Israel) ..yet it set us free to be bound, as the bondservant. The last commandment is what motivates our hearts and is the restraint on our flesh man.

So I 'liked' both posts because both are correct in my eyes :)
Without Grace we could not live the law of love...which in Christ fulfills the whole law of God. ✟
 

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Hi Anthony,

Thank you for pitching in! Episkopos had said "Grace fulfills the law". I was actually interested if there were a verse stating that, because I couldn't think of one.

Much love!
Mark
His best post was the one where he points out the many ways the word law is used. That complicates this issue.
It takes awhile to sort it out,then put it all together.
 

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@FHII to you both.



You will see that I 'liked' both posts.
I see no conflict.
Is not grace the new 'law' of our life in Christ...[ God's ability in us, to do what we can't do]
Grace sets us free from the law of Moses ( which was for Israel) ..yet it set us free to be bound, as the bondservant. The last commandment is what motivates our hearts and is the restraint on our flesh man.

So I 'liked' both posts because both are correct in my eyes :)
Without Grace we could not live the law of love...which in Christ fulfills the whole law of God. ✟


Yes! But grace frees us to fly above the law...thus fulfilling it's righteous requirements. The problem is when grace is seen as an abdication of the responsibilities we have to be obedient to the will of God.
 
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Yes! But grace frees us to fly above the law...thus fulfilling it's righteous requirements. The problem is when grace is seen as an abdication of the responsibilities we have to be obedient to the will of God.
What does fly above the law mean? Jesus is the law. It’s kinda creepy, as if your elevating yourself above Christ. I hope this isn’t the case. I remember reading about another in the Bible that alleged this and it’s gotten him into a lot of trouble.
 

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What does fly above the law mean? Jesus is the law. It’s kinda creepy, as if your elevating yourself above Christ. I hope this isn’t the case. I remember reading about another in the Bible that alleged this and it’s gotten him into a lot of trouble.


Flying above the law is related to grace and flying with wings as eagles as Isaiah said.

I find that there is no experience of the things of the Spirit as mentioned in the bible among those who find what I write bizarre...so people only understand things by rote using bible verses...but without any understanding. THAT is spoken of a lot in the bible.
 

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Flying above the law is related to grace and flying with wings as eagles as Isaiah said.

I find that there is no experience of the things of the Spirit as mentioned in the bible among those who find what I write bizarre...so people only understand things by rote using bible verses...but without any understanding. THAT is spoken of a lot in the bible.
Seriously?
 

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Flying above the law is related to grace and flying with wings as eagles as Isaiah said.

I find that there is no experience of the things of the Spirit as mentioned in the bible among those who find what I write bizarre...so people only understand things by rote using bible verses...but without any understanding. THAT is spoken of a lot in the bible.

What you write is frequently bizarre. It is Gnostic self elevation.
 

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So you like many others don't believe Jehovah God sent his Only begotten Son to mankind? Instead you believe Jehovah sent himself to mankind? That it was Jehovah God who died for us? That it wasn't Jehovah God Only begotten Son who died for us? Is this what you are saying?
Coming from the guy who thinks Michael the Archangel became Jesus.
 
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