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Featured 42. Are We Free to Ignore God's Law if We are "Under Grace"?

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by "ByGrace", Apr 14, 2019.

  1. BARNEY BRIGHT

    BARNEY BRIGHT Well-Known Member

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    So you like many others don't believe Jehovah God sent his Only begotten Son to mankind? Instead you believe Jehovah sent himself to mankind? That it was Jehovah God who died for us? That it wasn't Jehovah God Only begotten Son who died for us? Is this what you are saying?
     
  2. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Yea, heaven went silent for about a half an hour
     
  3. BARNEY BRIGHT

    BARNEY BRIGHT Well-Known Member

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    I believe that Jehovah God sent his Only begotten Son to die for mankind. I don't believe Jehovah God sent himself to die for mankind.
     
  4. "ByGrace"

    "ByGrace" Well-Known Member

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    @BARNEY BRIGHT

    Barney...
    Sorry but...

    That is a totally DIFFERENT DISCUSSION...which is OFF TOPIC
    ...there are enough rabbit trails...
    ....PLEASE go start a different new thread ....OR PICK IT UP IN THE MANY OLD THREADS WE HAVE on that subject.


    THANKS, and bless you. H
     
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  5. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    Hi Anthony,

    Thank you for pitching in! Episkopos had said "Grace fulfills the law". I was actually interested if there were a verse stating that, because I couldn't think of one.

    Much love!
    Mark
     
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  6. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Never said I could.

    But both natures are reality in those we cannot, no matter how much we want to, completely deny the old nature as the Bible says.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    There is no such verse.

    Episkopos means ruler and teacher. He believes he's both and that he can see Scriptures more clearly than others. That is why I call Gnostic, because he has actually said he sees hidden knowledge.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    What I said was when born-again we are free of the Mosaic law. But you say we are notBy your SDA legalism per false prophetess Ellen G White.
     
  9. Marymog

    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Proverbs 28:9
     
  10. FHII

    FHII Well-Known Member

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    You cannot harmonize grace and the law. If you try then you end up frustrating grace. This was a major point of Galatians.
     
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    We are going through Galatians at our church at the moment. Very important point to separate law-keeping from saving faith by grace.
     
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  12. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    The opposite is true. Without law you become lawless. Grace fulfills the law or else it isn't grace but permissiveness. God is not permissive. Those who gamble on this will have a huge surprise on judgment day.

    Grace is the power to fulfill the law.
     
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  13. "ByGrace"

    "ByGrace" Well-Known Member

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    @FHII to you both.

    You will see that I 'liked' both posts.
    I see no conflict.
    Is not grace the new 'law' of our life in Christ...[ God's ability in us, to do what we can't do]
    Grace sets us free from the law of Moses ( which was for Israel) ..yet it set us free to be bound, as the bondservant. The last commandment is what motivates our hearts and is the restraint on our flesh man.

    So I 'liked' both posts because both are correct in my eyes :)
    Without Grace we could not live the law of love...which in Christ fulfills the whole law of God. ✟
     
  14. Anthony D'Arienzo

    Anthony D'Arienzo Well-Known Member

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    His best post was the one where he points out the many ways the word law is used. That complicates this issue.
    It takes awhile to sort it out,then put it all together.
     
  15. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    Yes! But grace frees us to fly above the law...thus fulfilling it's righteous requirements. The problem is when grace is seen as an abdication of the responsibilities we have to be obedient to the will of God.
     
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    What does fly above the law mean? Jesus is the law. It’s kinda creepy, as if your elevating yourself above Christ. I hope this isn’t the case. I remember reading about another in the Bible that alleged this and it’s gotten him into a lot of trouble.
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    Flying above the law is related to grace and flying with wings as eagles as Isaiah said.

    I find that there is no experience of the things of the Spirit as mentioned in the bible among those who find what I write bizarre...so people only understand things by rote using bible verses...but without any understanding. THAT is spoken of a lot in the bible.
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Seriously?
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    What you write is frequently bizarre. It is Gnostic self elevation.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Coming from the guy who thinks Michael the Archangel became Jesus.
     
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