God's Anointed Bible Prophecy Teachers All say the Rapture is very Near!!

[CoreIssue]

Interesting perspective. Paul uses the phrase 'spirit, soul and body' in 1 Thess. 5.23.

Body, Soul and Spirit

 

[n2thelight]

"And" simply means that the spiritual body follows the natural body. Not two bodies.

Simple question for you,Did the angels ever have a flesh body?2 answer my own question,no thy didn't

Genesis 19:1 "And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground."

What kind of bodies did they have?We know or should know ,it wasn't flesh.They had their own body,ie,their spiritual bodies. They didn't need flesh,as they were not born of flesh,yet they still had mass .We need the flesh to house our spirit ,spirit don't need the flesh,unless being born of flesh.

Flesh is dirt,why would you want it?

 

[Davy]

This verse does not say that we have two bodies, but it does say that the resurrected body is a TRANSFORMED body. Same person, but free of all earthly and mortal limitations and deficiencies. "A spiritual body" means one that is similar to that of spirit beings (angels). For example, they can travel from Heaven to earth without hindrance, and they can radiate light.

Actually, Paul is... saying there 'are' (present tense) two different bodies.

Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 revealed this early on in God's Word. There it is taught that with flesh death our flesh goes back to the earth where it came from, and our spirit goes back to God Who gave it. And shown there is a "silver cord" being severed. Thus that silver cord is tying two parts together while alive in the flesh.

In Matt.10:28, Jesus said to not fear those who can kill the body, but not the soul, but fear Him Who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire (hell there means geena, from Hebrew valley of Hinnom, a perpetual burning garbage dump outside the walls of Jerusalem, a symbol for the future lake of fire).

Does the 'soul' then need a type body to manifest in the Heavenly dimension? Yes, and it's what Paul called the spiritual body. It is the form or "image of the heavenly" which Paul also described it as.

It comes down to this - wherever we (our soul, our person) is, it needs a body to manifest in. On earth in this dimension it is a flesh body. In the Heavenly, where the angels are, it is a spiritual body. The New Testament shows that our spirit-soul can be separated from our flesh, but our soul and spirit cannot be separated. Eccl.12 does not specifically declare the soul, but the soul is actually attached to that "spirit" that goes back to God at flesh death. We know that from what our Lord Jesus said in Matt.10:28.

 

[Enoch111]

On earth in this dimension it is a flesh body. In the Heavenly, where the angels are, it is a spiritual body.

Which would render the resurrection of the body as totally meaningless. But Paul is referring to the resurrected body, which is "spiritual", in that it is similar to the angels, yet recognizable as an immortal, transformed, and glorified body. And frankly, no one really knows what this will be like.

 

[CoreIssue]

Actually, Paul is... saying there 'are' (present tense) two different bodies.

Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 revealed this early on in God's Word. There it is taught that with flesh death our flesh goes back to the earth where it came from, and our spirit goes back to God Who gave it. And shown there is a "silver cord" being severed. Thus that silver cord is tying two parts together while alive in the flesh.

In Matt.10:28, Jesus said to not fear those who can kill the body, but not the soul, but fear Him Who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire (hell there means geena, from Hebrew valley of Hinnom, a perpetual burning garbage dump outside the walls of Jerusalem, a symbol for the future lake of fire).

Does the 'soul' then need a type body to manifest in the Heavenly dimension? Yes, and it's what Paul called the spiritual body. It is the form or "image of the heavenly" which Paul also described it as.

It comes down to this - wherever we (our soul, our person) is, it needs a body to manifest in. On earth in this dimension it is a flesh body. In the Heavenly, where the angels are, it is a spiritual body. The New Testament shows that our spirit-soul can be separated from our flesh, but our soul and spirit cannot be separated. Eccl.12 does not specifically declare the soul, but the soul is actually attached to that "spirit" that goes back to God at flesh death. We know that from what our Lord Jesus said in Matt.10:28.

Body, Soul and Spirit

 

[Davy]

Which would render the resurrection of the body as totally meaningless. But Paul is referring to the resurrected body, which is "spiritual", in that it is similar to the angels, yet recognizable as an immortal, transformed, and glorified body. And frankly, no one really knows what this will be like.

1 Cor 15:50
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV

1 Cor 15:49
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
KJV


The resurrection body is a "spiritual body" like Paul taught. That does not mean flesh.

 

[Enoch111]

The resurrection body is a "spiritual body" like Paul taught. That does not mean flesh.

It certainly does mean flesh. Flesh and bones, not flesh and blood. Big difference. At the same time it was a "spiritual body" in that it had no earthly limitations. Christ could enter and leave rooms without the need of walking through doors. He ascended to Heaven without needing any chariot of fire. He appeared and disappeared at will. He even asked for some food to show that He was not a spirit being.

Christ insisted that His body was flesh and bones, and Paul said that the Church (Christians) are bone of His bone, and flesh of His flesh. So kindly note these words of Christ carefully, and walk away from any Gnostic nonsense.

LUKE 24
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them,Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Then saith he [Christ] to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (John 20:27,28)

Will the resurrected bodies of Christians resemble that of Christ?Absolutely.

1 CORINTHIANS 15
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body...
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Davy]

It certainly does mean flesh. Flesh and bones, not flesh and blood. Big difference. At the same time it was a "spiritual body" in that it had no earthly limitations. Christ could enter and leave rooms without the need of walking through doors. He ascended to Heaven without needing any chariot of fire. He appeared and disappeared at will. He even asked for some food to show that He was not a spirit being.

Christ insisted that His body was flesh and bones, and Paul said that the Church (Christians) are bone of His bone, and flesh of His flesh. So kindly note these words of Christ carefully, and walk away from any Gnostic nonsense.
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You're mistaken about the "spiritual body" Paul taught in 1 Cor.15. Our Lord Jesus' flesh body was transfigured, and kept the marks of His crucifixion. Our flesh body today doesn't do that. But on the "last trump", those still alive on earth will be changed to the resurrection body, which is the "spiritual body" that Apostle Paul taught.

And like Paul said, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. And as Paul also said, as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. The heavenly angels do not have flesh type bodies, even when they have appeared here on earth to flesh men (like the two angels in Gen.19). Jesus said those of the resurrection are as the angels of God in Heaven, pointing to the resurrection type body. These are not things from Gnosticism, you are making that up. This is Scriptural.

What you don't understand is the idea of two different dimensions taught in God's Word, this earthly one we live in, and the heavenly one where God and the angels live.

The "spiritual body" is not one of flesh and blood like we have. It is of the other dimension. It can walk, eat, and live upon this earth like our flesh body does, and even feels like flesh, but it is not flesh and blood like Paul taught. This we are shown in Scripture like Genesis 19 when the two angels went to save Lot's family. They appeared as men to the sodomites, and they ate what Lot prepared for them, and even what Abraham prepared for them in Gen.18. So that kind of body has substance, but it's still not a flesh body like we have.

 

[Enoch111]

And like Paul said, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

And I already showed you the words of Christ. Not flesh and blood but flesh and bones. But the words of Christ are not good enough for you. His resurrection body was flesh and bones, and so will be the resurrection bodies of Christians, reconstituted out of dust. And as already pointed out they are "spiritual" in the sense that they do not have earthly limitations.

 

[Davy]

And I already showed you the words of Christ. Not flesh and blood but flesh and bones. But the words of Christ are not good enough for you. His resurrection body was flesh and bones, and so will be the resurrection bodies of Christians, reconstituted out of dust. And as already pointed out they are "spiritual" in the sense that they do not have earthly limitations.

I don't care if you think it's plastic and cellophane, Christ's flesh body was transfigured to the Heavenly dimension, and kept the marks of His crucifixion.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Just because "Anointed prophesy teachers " SAY it, yet that does make it true, neither can what they say, 'make it happen'!

Keep on looking UP!!

My question would be, 'Who says they're anointed? Who anointed them teachers? Orthodoxy?'

 

[Davy]

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Your 2 scriptures refer to the Great white Throne Judgment, after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15

I think I missed what you said there, referring to my post of Acts 24:15 and John 5:28-29.

Those two Scriptures are not... for after Christ's future Millennial reign.

The John 5:28-29 example is about the day of Christ's 2nd coming. On that day, the "resurrection of damnation" also happens, and they will be under His rod of iron throughout the "thousand years" of Rev.20. Everyone... is going to bow to Christ Jesus then, all His enemies being made His footstool.

The Acts 24:15 was Paul's hope for both a resurrection of the just, and the unjust. Do you really think Paul hoped the unjust would be resurrected to immediately go into the "lake of fire"? No, his hope was in that at least some of them might be saved. Paul was not a mad executioner.

 

[Wafer]

God's Anointed Bible Prophecy Teachers All saying the Rapture (catching up) is very Near!!
Jack Van Impe, Hal Lindsey, Perry Stone, John Hagee, David Reagan, Gary Stearman, David Jeremiah, Billy Crone, Bill Salus, and many many more!! And you??? Sleeping!!
https://christinprophecy.org/article...ack-very-soon/

They must be right! All the intelligent people agree with them!

 

[Willie T]

They must be right! All the intelligent people agree with them!

LOL!!!

 

[Keraz]

I think I missed what you said there, referring to my post of Acts 24:15 and John 5:28-29.

Those two Scriptures are not... for after Christ's future Millennial reign.

The John 5:28-29 example is about the day of Christ's 2nd coming. On that day, the "resurrection of damnation" also happens, and they will be under His rod of iron throughout the "thousand years" of Rev.20. Everyone... is going to bow to Christ Jesus then, all His enemies being made His footstool.

The Acts 24:15 was Paul's hope for both a resurrection of the just, and the unjust. Do you really think Paul hoped the unjust would be resurrected to immediately go into the "lake of fire"? No, his hope was in that at least some of them might be saved. Paul was not a mad executioner.

Your belief contradicts the plain Words of Revelation 20:11-15.
ONLY at the GWT Judgment is every person who has ever lived, brought back to consciousness and when the Book of Life is opened; those whose names are Written in it will receive immortality and those whose names are not found, will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
Paul is merely referring to that event in Acts 24:15, and John 5:27-29 also refers to the GWT Judgment. They just do not fit with what we are told happens in Revelation 19:11-21 and other scriptures about the glorious Return.
There is no resurrection before then, excepting for only the GT martyrs, who include the two Witnesses. Revelation 20:4

They must be right! All the intelligent people agree with them!

Good sarcasm!
Jesus said; the truths of prophecy is hidden from the wise and learned people and given to the simple and uneducated. Matthew 11:25
The Day will come when Gismys and all who promote false theories about God's plans for His people, will regret bitterly their teachings that have led so many people astray. And that Day is very close now!

 

[Davy]

Your belief contradicts the plain Words of Revelation 20:11-15.
ONLY at the GWT Judgment is every person who has ever lived, brought back to consciousness and when the Book of Life is opened; those whose names are Written in it will receive immortality and those whose names are not found, will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
Paul is merely referring to that event in Acts 24:15, and John 5:27-29 also refers to the GWT Judgment. They just do not fit with what we are told happens in Revelation 19:11-21 and other scriptures about the glorious Return.
There is no resurrection before then, excepting for only the GT martyrs, who include the two Witnesses. Revelation 20:4

Not really, because to understand about the idea of resurrection and which kind of death remains during Christ's future thousand years reign, one must first understand what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 about the resurrection.

The fact that there are nations that come up against the "camp of the saints" on earth shows that unsaved nations will still exist during Christ's future thousand years reign there. Psalms 2 is emphatic about that. The latter part of Zechariah 14 also shows the existence of those nations during Christ's future reign on earth. Revelation 11 even reveals that all the kingdoms of this world become those of The Father and His Son at the 7th trump.

When Jesus returns, this flesh time will be over. The problem with your misinterpretation of Rev.20 is not understanding about that future time with the "second death". The second death will be the ONLY type of death remaining after Christ's return. Reason is because all flesh will be changed at His coming. Paul in 1 Cor.15 was pulling from Isaiah 25 about death being swallowed up in victory, and there that idea was applied to all peoples and nations, not just for Christ's Church at Jesus' coming.

So the "dead" of Rev.20:5 does not mean those not resurrected yet. It's means they still will have dead souls that are liable to perish in the lake of fire, which is what the second death is. 1st death = flesh death; 2nd death = the spirit body with soul perishing in the future lake of fire. After Jesus returns, the 1st death is no more.

 

[Keraz]

one must first understand what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 about the resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is entirely about what happens at the Great White Throne Judgment. AFTER the Millennium.
Revelation 21:1-7 makes it plain that only then is Death no more.

The fact that there are nations that come up against the "camp of the saints" on earth shows that unsaved nations will still exist during Christ's future thousand years reign there.

Of course there are nations during the Millennium. Near the end of it, they will be again deceived by Satan and God will destroy them by fire from heaven.
But they too, will stand before God at the GWT Judgment, with all who have ever lived; including those who are still living. It is that fact that Paul addresses in 1 Cor 15; some who are alive then and do have their name Written in the Book of Life, will never taste death and will be instantly made immortal.
Revelation 20:14 plainly states that the Second Death, is the Lake of Fire.

The false teaching of immortality being given at the Return of Jesus, is just another of the 'rapture to heaven' lies.
No one becomes immortal or has a 'glorified body', before the Book of Life is opened. Period.

 

[Davy]

1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is entirely about what happens at the Great White Throne Judgment. AFTER the Millennium.
Revelation 21:1-7 makes it plain that only then is Death no more.

You simply have your timeline wrong. The resurrection Paul taught in 1 Cor.15 happens on the day of Christ's second coming on that "last trump", which is the 7th Trumpet of Rev.11. That is when Christ's "thousand years" reign of Rev.20 will begin.

And the 'concept' of death still exists until the GWT, that is true. But it's the "second death" that will still exist through Rev.20, and that is where the "second death" is written.

Of course there are nations during the Millennium. Near the end of it, they will be again deceived by Satan and God will destroy them by fire from heaven.
But they too, will stand before God at the GWT Judgment, with all who have ever lived; including those who are still living. It is that fact that Paul addresses in 1 Cor 15; some who are alive then and do have their name Written in the Book of Life, will never taste death and will be instantly made immortal.
Revelation 20:14 plainly states that the Second Death, is the Lake of Fire.

The false teaching of immortality being given at the Return of Jesus, is just another of the 'rapture to heaven' lies.
No one becomes immortal or has a 'glorified body', before the Book of Life is opened. Period.

Those of the 1st resurrection of life, are... raised or changed to immortality and are never subject to the "second death". Evidently you forgot to read that:

Rev 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
KJV

 

[Keraz]

The Last trumpet is not the Seventh Trumpet.
Revelation 11:15 states that the 7th Trumpet confers the authority for Jesus to reign for the Millennium. There are still the Seven Bowls and the Battle of Armageddon to happen before Jesus Returns.
Then another 1000 years; there will be many trumpet blasts during that time.

You can object all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that only at the GWT is immortality given. So Pauls prophecy in 1 Cor 15:50-56 must be the actual Last trumpet sound of Gods 7000 year plan for mankind.

The 'second death' will be experienced by at least some of those martyrs raised when Jesus Returns. Rev 20:4 Just as happened to Lazarus.
It has no power over them, as their names are Written in the Book of Life and they will automatically receive immortality at the GWT.

 

[Pre-Trib Rapper]

The latest I've heard on this is: We true Christians will all be raptured on Pentecost June 9! However, no one is certain of the actual Pentecost date in 2019; it could be June 7, 9 or even 25 (the day the Kushner's Peace Deal will be publicly announced). Some Christian YouTubers say Jesus fulfilled the first three Jewish Feasts (i.e. appointments) and after His second coming, Jesus will fulfill the Feasts of Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacle. The middle Feast of Pentecost will be fulfilled at the Pre-Tribulation Rapture! We shall see shortly...