1 Corinthians 2 is so abused

[Nancy]

Nancy you are right.
T...I don’t believe we are born in sin.
U...I don’t believe in unconditional election
L...I don’t believe only the few elected will be saved
I....I don’t believe that the “elect” cannot resist
P....I do not believe in OSAS.

I do believe the HS lives in believers but only representatively through his word. When you allow his word to be the guide for your life.

"I do believe the HS lives in believers but only representatively through his word. "
Well, some don't call it "The Living Word" for nothing! So, you do not believe all are born in original sin? If not, then why did Jesus die?

 

[CNKW3]

"I do believe the HS lives in believers but only representatively through his word. "
Well, some don't call it "The Living Word" for nothing! So, you do not believe all are born in original sin? If not, then why did Jesus die?

Because sin, any sin, separates us from God. From before the creation God knew man would sin and had Jesus death as a plan to reconcile man back to him. God is just which means punishment for sin could not be overlooked. And God is love which means he would provide a means of redemption.
We inherit the consequence of Adams sin not the guilt. Read Ez 18:20 We die because we no longer have access to tree of life. We die spiritually when we sin and all men sin. This is why we need a savior.

 

[aspen]

Within the context of our discussion yes you do. I asked Nancy how she knows if someone has the Spirit and she said...you’ll know them by their fruits. Then I made a list of good deeds to see if that was considered fruit and you responded with loving God as if that was fruit so yes if you are going to insert yourself in this discussion you need to tell me how you know someone loves God. If I just say it is that enough for you because I can show in Gods word it is NOT enough for him.

I usually just ask them

 

[Helen]

Within the context of our discussion yes you do. I asked Nancy how she knows if someone has the Spirit and she said...you’ll know them by their fruits. Then I made a list of good deeds to see if that was considered fruit and you responded with loving God as if that was fruit so yes if you are going to insert yourself in this discussion you need to tell me how you know someone loves God. If I just say it is that enough for you because I can show in Gods word it is NOT enough for him.

I personally believe that we know the Spirit because there is something in us which leaps to the Spirit in them.

I can tell when talking one to one...the typed page is different.
But there is an inkling a person gets.

I would just say that there is a recognition.
Very hard to nail down the 'how' of it.

 

[CNKW3]

I usually just ask them

Just because someone says they love God does not mean that they do. Nancy was right...you’ll know them by their fruit. This is why I have been trying to explore what “fruit” is. It’s not just being a good person.

 

[Davy]

in 1 Cor 12 tongues and prophecy were listed as separate gifts. These were all given miraculously through direct operation. Tongues, prophecy, were mentioned right along with healing and miracles. You can’t do any of that today.

yes it all comes from the HS but how? The only way you know anything about Christ or the HS is through the book. Nobody can do anything according to the teachings of Christ without the book. NOBODY. People in the first century had the direct operation of the Spirit because the message was new and it was needed. This is how they received revelation. We have all the revelation in a book.

Of course you're wrong, also those you've been listening to.

One of the main events for the last days is the Witness by The Holy Spirit through Christ's elect when delivered up during the tribulation:

Mark 13:11
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
KJV

 

[CNKW3]

Of course you're wrong, also those you've been listening to.

One of the main events for the last days is the Witness by The Holy Spirit through Christ's elect when delivered up during the tribulation:

Mark 13:11
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
KJV

davy
Mark 13 was not directed to you. Read the first 11 verses and you will see this a private conversation with Peter, Andrew, James, and John. You, in whatever hour you speak, will not be given what to say. We are told today by Peter that if any man speaks let him speak as the oracles of God, and today that only comes through the book. This is the ONLY place we receive the oracles of God today.

 

[Davy]

davy
Mark 13 was not directed to you. Read the first 11 verses and you will see this a private conversation with Peter, Andrew, James, and John. You, in whatever hour you speak, will not be given what to say. We are told today by Peter that if any man speaks let him speak as the oracles of God, and today that only comes through the book. This is the ONLY place we receive the oracles of God today.

Sure it was, as Jesus was giving the seven signs of the end of this world there in His Olivet discourse upon the Mount of Olives when His disciples asked Him about the end of this world and the sign of His 2nd coming. Those signs in Matt.24 and Mark 13 are the Seals of Revelation 6.

So did Jesus give His Revelation to His Church? You bet He did!

Hey! All that is IN The Book!


Could be you're on the false pre-trib rapture theory, because those schools wrongly teach that Jesus' Olivet discourse was not meant for the Church, but only for the Jews, like you're trying to say. If that's who you've been listening to, then you've got a LOT of Bible study catching up to do:

Mark 13:34-37
34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
KJV

 

[Taken]

Nancy ~

Not all who follow the principles of TULIP Label themselves "Calvinists".

TULIP are principles that Calvin established and taught.

However some people elect to Adopt Calvin's principles, but Label themselves with a number of other Terms.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CNKW3]

Sure it was, as Jesus was giving the seven signs of the end of this world there in His Olivet discourse upon the Mount of Olives when His disciples asked Him about the end of this world and the sign of His 2nd coming. Those signs in Matt.24 and Mark 13 are the Seals of Revelation 6.

So did Jesus give His Revelation to His Church? You bet He did!

Hey! All that is IN The Book!


Could be you're on the false pre-trib rapture theory, because those schools wrongly teach that Jesus' Olivet discourse was not meant for the Church, but only for the Jews, like you're trying to say. If that's who you've been listening to, then you've got a LOT of Bible study catching up to do:

Mark 13:34-37
34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
KJV

No I’m 180 degrees opposite to what you think I am. Mk 13, in the first 30 or so verses is about the destruction of Jerusalem. It is not about the second coming of the lord. I want you to take your religious glasses off for just one minute and study the first 4 verses with me.

Mark 13:1-4 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
Jesus and his disciples (the 12) are coming out of the temple. You cannot deny this. And his disciples are focused on the temple and surrounding buildings. You still with me?

And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Jesus tells them that this whole temple complex will be completely destroyed. You cannot deny this. He is only focusing on the temple in Jerusalem.

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
These four ask a direct question. They are responding to what Jesus just said and they want to know when this temple and surrounding buildings are going to come down. You cannot deny that this is the context of this chapter. Mt 24 and Lk 21 are the same. Vs 5 begins with...and Jesus answering them
So we see Jesus through the next 25 or so verses explaining and prophesying how the temple would be destroyed. In vs 10 he states that the gospel must first be published among all nations.
He is prophesying of the coming destruction of Jerusalem that came to fulfillment in AD 70. And yes the gospel had been spread throughout the then known world by AD 70. Paul stated that it had been in Col 1:23. So if you will take off your religious glasses and just use basic reading comprehension 101 you will see that this is what is under consideration in Mk 13 and it is not the second coming of Christ.

 

[Davy]

davy
Mark 13 was not directed to you. Read the first 11 verses and you will see this a private conversation with Peter, Andrew, James, and John. You, in whatever hour you speak, will not be given what to say. We are told today by Peter that if any man speaks let him speak as the oracles of God, and today that only comes through the book. This is the ONLY place we receive the oracles of God today.

Since the conversation was written down for us to read, it wasn't very private, now was it?

It was a private conversation for Christ's Church, as Christ's Apostles are part of that foundation of Christ's Church (Eph.2).

And again, Jesus was giving 7 main signs of the end of this world, which are the signs He gave through John in Revelation 6 with the Seals. The final sign He gave in His Olivet discourse was that of His 2nd coming and gathering of His Church!

In Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Jesus gave the same gathering events of His Church that Apostle Paul gave in 1 Thess.4. In the Matt.24 version, it's about the gathering of the 'asleep' saints which Paul said Jesus will bring with Him when He comes. In the Mark 13 version, it's the gathering to the Church still alive on earth. 1 Thessalonians 14 is the direct parallel to that. And that... makes those Olivet discourse Scriptures emphatically... for Christ's Church!

You simply are behind in your Bible study because you are busier listening to men, and not God's Word.

 

[CNKW3]

Since the conversation was written down for us to read, it wasn't very private, now was it?

It was a private conversation for Christ's Church, as Christ's Apostles are part of that foundation of Christ's Church (Eph.2).

And again, Jesus was giving 7 main signs of the end of this world, which are the signs He gave through John in Revelation 6 with the Seals. The final sign He gave in His Olivet discourse was that of His 2nd coming and gathering of His Church!

In Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Jesus gave the same gathering events of His Church that Apostle Paul gave in 1 Thess.4. In the Matt.24 version, it's about the gathering of the 'asleep' saints which Paul said Jesus will bring with Him when He comes. In the Mark 13 version, it's the gathering to the Church still alive on earth. 1 Thessalonians 14 is the direct parallel to that. And that... makes those Olivet discourse Scriptures emphatically... for Christ's Church!

You simply are behind in your Bible study because you are busier listening to men, and not God's Word.

So when God came to Noah and told him to build an ark.....is that for us today too. It was all written down so we could read it?

 

[CNKW3]

You simply are behind in your Bible study because you are busier listening to men, and not God's Word.

I will eagerly be waiting a reply to post 150. We will learn more about your bible study skills.

 

[Davy]

No I’m 180 degrees opposite to what you think I am. Mk 13, in the first 30 or so verses is about the destruction of Jerusalem. It is not about the second coming of the lord. I want you to take your religious glasses off for just one minute and study the first 4 verses with me.

Oh, so you're one of those cats that think Jesus' 2nd coming was fulfilled back in the Apostle's day?

When you make such idiotic statements that Christ's Olivet discourse was not about the prophecy of His 2nd coming that is still future, that's who you align with.

Matt 24:3
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?
KJV

Matt 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

 

[Davy]

So when God came to Noah and told him to build an ark.....is that for us today too. It was all written down so we could read it?

I'm sorry to sound like I'm insulting your intelligence, but you have the wrong approach to study of God's Word. If you think every conversation that others had which are written down in God's Word have no application for us today, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE WERE NOT THERE AT THE TIME, that means you really do not believe God's Holy Writ has any value of instruction for those of us who believe on Christ Jesus. Sorry, but I strongly... question your faith.

 

[CNKW3]

Oh, so you're one of those cats that think Jesus' 2nd coming was fulfilled back in the Apostle's day?

When you make such idiotic statements that Christ's Olivet discourse was not about the prophecy of His 2nd coming that is still future, that's who you align with.

No I never said that. All I did was present what Mk 13 teaches. I am not a realized eschatologist I do not believe Jesus second coming was in AD 70. So far many have been labeling me as something and so far everyone has been wrong.

Matt 24:3
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?

KJV

Matt 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

I present you a detailed study of those first verses in Mk and this is all I get? You ignore it. You are questioning my bible study abilities and this is all you provide.
Why dont you stick with Mk 13. That is the passage you first presented. Are you afraid to deal with the details I provided? We can then go to Mt 24 and Lk 21. They teach the same thing. This is bible study. You look at all jesus had to say on a subject.

 

[Davy]

No I never said that. All I did was present what Mk 13 teaches.
....

Well, yes you did... say this:

You said:
"Mk 13, in the first 30 or so verses is about the destruction of Jerusalem. It is not about the second coming of the lord."


Mark 13:26
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
KJV


Egg on your face.

 

[CNKW3]

I'm sorry to sound like I'm insulting your intelligence, but you have the wrong approach to study of God's Word. If you think every conversation that others had which are written down in God's Word have no application for us today, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE WERE NOT THERE AT THE TIME, that means you really do not believe God's Holy Writ has any value of instruction for those of us who believe on Christ Jesus. Sorry, but I strongly... question your faith.

I never said that... “every conversation of others have no application for us today”. My Noah example proves that yes there are conversations that are not meant for us. It does not mean they can’t have application for us today. In Mt 10 Jesus....
Matthew 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Is this private conversation that was written down for us today?
Let’s look at Jn 16
John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Jesus told them...I have many things to say to you. Was that for you and me? No. Are we guided into all truth directly from the Spirit? No. Is there application for us today? Yes. When we read what they wrote we too will be guided into all truth. This is bible study. I’m sorry you don’t like it.

 

[Davy]

I never said that... “every conversation of others have no application for us today”. My Noah example proves that yes there are conversations that are not meant for us. It does not mean they can’t have application for us today. In Mt 10 Jesus....
Matthew 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Is this private conversation that was written down for us today?
Let’s look at Jn 16
John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Jesus told them...I have many things to say to you. Was that for you and me? No. Are we guided into all truth directly from the Spirit? No. Is there application for us today? Yes. When we read what they wrote we too will be guided into all truth. This is bible study. I’m sorry you don’t like it.

Go away. You are in confusion.

 

[CNKW3]

Well, yes you did... say this:

You said:
"Mk 13, in the first 30 or so verses is about the destruction of Jerusalem. It is not about the second coming of the lord."


Mark 13:26
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
KJV


Egg on your face.

You are getting a little ridiculous. This is what you said...
Oh, so you're one of those cats that think Jesus' 2nd coming was fulfilled back in the Apostle's day?

I NEVER SAID THAT!! I said, if you would read, that Mk 13 is Jesus answering the question asked of him about the destruction of The temple. Period. I specifically said that it IS NOT about Christ second coming because it isn’t. But I do believe Christ will come again. That is not what was being discussed in Mk 13 through about vs 30 something.