This way works better.@GodsGrace
So here, which way works better?
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This way works better.@GodsGrace
So here, which way works better?
Obedience of Faith.I'm the resident guru...? Ha! Didn't know that.
I thought I was probably viewed as Sister Speaks A Lot.
I have this thing where I've learned a little bit (very LITTLE bit) about beginning to walk in the Spirit with a less wobbly gait, and I know every mistake and error I have made along the way. About walking in the Spirit, I can't even speak really, except to keep pounding on the one thing that will get us there. Trust, trust and more trust. Just a constant refrain of - I don't understand Lord, but I trust You. I don't like whatever this is You are doing, its making me sad and cranky, but I trust You Lord. I have no idea how you are going to bring me the money I need in 3 more days and You have cut it very close, but I trust You Lord. And on and on, just trust, see where you really aren't trusting but are doing an end around so sneaky that you even fooled YOURSELF that it wasnt a lack of trust. And then, begin practicing trust in that area. Its...learning the obedience of faith (trust).
I am a broken record that will keep playing one word over and over again - trust. It was struggle for me to get where I am in it and if I can help lessen anyone else's frustration, I will just keep repeating the word!
Oh boy.
I think that would be me.
But we're saved....
no need to be scared!
I DO understand your point.
Should I shut up?
(I could hear @"ByGrace" saying YES)
No need to struggle with verses SBG.No, you shouldn't shut up lol.
But here's the thing. The other harder verses do seem scary. You want to just refuse them for fear what you have will be taken from you if you struggle with those verses. But that's not what happens if you struggle with them. What happens instead is...its too wonderful to put into words, but I will think about if a way comes to me.
Obedience of Faith.
Perfect.
Romans 1:5 and 16:26.
In fact, if we read Romans 16:25 we learn how by having faith in Jesus, and according to the commandment of God, the obedience of FAITH has been made known to all nations.
I would say that we need only to trust our Lord and not worry about anything.
Great post.Yes, that's all we need to do. But it's harder than it first sounds. Learning the obedience of trust is a struggle. The whole world works against our having the obedience of trust. The devil works against it. Your own flesh works against it.
Satan doesn't care if we sit here another 500 years and argue doctrine. He doesn't care if we feed the poor. What terrifies him is that the weak church might begin to have that radical trust Jesus had and the apostles had and become a strong church again.
Oh boy.
I think that would be me.
But we're saved....
no need to be scared!
I DO understand your point.
Should I shut up?
(I could hear @"ByGrace" saying YES)
Great post.
But that the church would wake up and become strong again as you've said.
If only the young generation would discover what a treasure it is to know God !
I love
Proverbs 3:5-6
5Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And lean not on your own understanding.
6In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will direct your paths.
I heard something recently. I can't really prove it from scripture. I definitely can't prove it from experience (yet), but deep down I know it is right. In our fellowships, we need to love and not murder each other over doctrine. If we begin to do this, and we love each other rather than just keep blowing each other up, and if we keep our fellowships small, 5 or 6 people, and each of those people learn true fellowship and laying down their lives of pride for each other, we will have the right conditions for the fire to come down. The person I heard it from has some experience and I trust Him. He also says, we can't make the fire come down or decide when it will, but we will be ready for when it does.
Hi H. R., it seems to me that all those things on your list (except what I crossed out) comprise "a relationship with Jesus" - and a healthy one at that - do they not?When you ask most Christians why they think they are Christians and on their way to heaven they will tell you some, if not all, of the following things,
1.) they try to be good
2.) they say they belong to the ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH organization
3.) they go to church
4.) they pray
5.) they participate in church ceremonies and rituals
6.) They give money to Charities.
7.) they say they believe that Jesus died on the cross and they have tried to be like Him and
do good worksto become worthy.
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Good question.
I can only answer via my own experience.
The Lord called my hubby and I to do Bar and Pub work.
Every Friday night my dad would babysit our kids and we would go around the Pubs, Clubs and Bars in our area and towns outside our area.
( what made this easy... David was a 'professional' drinker... :) It almost ruined our marriage...so he knew every bar in a 150 mile radius. )
God gave us the passion and desire for this ministry. Our home church prayed for us while we were 'out there' on Fridays. We talked to hundreds.
We also got into many dangerous situations...so were thankful for prayer covering.
We did it for five years.
Two years in we were getting a bit down about it because we didn't SEE a whole lot of fruit for our labours.
We were talking to two of our prayer covering and they were retired Missionaries from Africa.
They encouraged us and said ..."Fruit or not , is not your business, you just do what God has told you to do, = sow seed.
God will take care of the 'watering' and the 'harvest'...which you probably wont even see. "
That encouraged us. And the next three years we did what we were called to do.
So "successful " cannot be measured here, ... but for each of us Obedience is the issue at hand...the outcome is in Fathers hands.
That's my two cents. :)
Grace does indeed enable us to live the Christian life and to do good works; but it should be clear that those works don't save us.The source of enabling grace.
No need to struggle with verses SBG.
We have the ONE that WROTE those verses!
I just hate to hear that it's not necessary to obey God...
Or that we don't have to do ANYTHING but believe.
This is not taught.
We love God.
We obey God.
We do our best.
That's about it.
We cling to HIM, and fear nothing.
We all slip.
1 John 1 addresses this.
He said to do what you do.
Looking forward to your posts.
Hi @JohnPaul,
welcome to the forums from me also.
3Jo 1:11, Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
If we are truly born again of the Holy Spirit, we will do good.
However, our behaviour/works is not the basis for our salvation (see Ephesians 2:9 and context; also Romans 11:5-6, Titus 3:4-7, and Romans 4:1-8).
The basis for our salvation is spoken of, I think, most clearly, in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
Thank you both.Hi @JohnPaul,
welcome to the forums from me also.
3Jo 1:11, Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.
If we are truly born again of the Holy Spirit, we will do good.
However, our behaviour/works is not the basis for our salvation (see Ephesians 2:9 and context; also Romans 11:5-6, Titus 3:4-7, and Romans 4:1-8).
The basis for our salvation is spoken of, I think, most clearly, in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.