BreadOfLife ~ UNPROVEN CLAIMS..

[Grailhunter]

I have no need to start a church. I am content being in membership in Christ's Church, He my teacher and He is the Truth that I trust.

Glory to God,
Taken

Why not! Come on! It would be so fun!!!! We could stand up and say they are all wrong. I offered to name it after you!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Really? Thee All KNOWING Christ had to experience the same things that what HE MADE experiences....that's your highlighted understanding? Okie Dokie...lol



So what's your point...
He married?
He reproduced children with sperm?
He purchased a home, had a job, bought his own clothes?
Grew his own food?
Committed Sin?

Dude there were many things Jesus was NOT in the LIKENESS of other Jews.

And scripture teaches MULTIPLE specific reasons of WHY He came to Earth...

Glory to God,
Taken

This is an asinine understanding of what it means to be FULLY human – but not surprising, coming from YOU . . .

Is everybody married
Does everybody have kids
Does everybody own a home?
Does any of this make them “less” human?? Scripture says that Jesus was FULLY HUMAN as well as being FULLY God (Heb. 2:17-19).

As for Jesus having to experience what WE experience – I didn’t say that – SCRIPTURE does.

Do you ever actually THINK before you post??

 

[Taken]

This is an asinine understanding of what it means to be FULLY human – but not surprising, coming from YOU . . .

LOL ~ Already said; Humans come from Dust of the Earth.

YOU want to teach and preach "YOUR" Christ the Lord Jesus, IS A HUMAN...and has HUMAN "DNA"...(lol) that's your perrogrative.

"MY" Christ the Lord Jesus, IS SPIRIT, that came forth out from God.

Scripture says that Jesus was FULLY HUMAN as well as being FULLY God (Heb. 2:17-19).

That's pretty handy, to REWRITE Scripture, and then claim what is REWRITTEN Scripture, is what Scripture says!

Mark 13
[34] ...the Son of man is as a man

Phil 2
[6] ... equal with God

[7] .. in the likeness of men

[8] ...in fashion as a man...

So cradle catholic...IF you ever become BORN AGAIN..of Gods SEED...In the "likeness" of God...

Are you ALSO going to go about teaching and preaching you "ARE Fully HUMAN & Fully God" ? ^-- LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CharismaticLady]

I corrected my comment. The point was sin not trespass.

I agree men trespass against men and men are taught in Scripture to forgive their brothers of trespasses.

Glory to God,
Taken

I agree with what you are trying to say, but needs one small correction.

Trespasses are sin, just unintentional, and sins NOT unto death. But sins unto death are sins of lawlessness and are willful.

 

[CharismaticLady]

What do you see as the difference between sins and trespasses? I have always looked at them as synonomous.

Peace!

God sees two types of sins. Here is my partial explanation below. Look up Leviticus 5:15, and read Numbers 15:22-36 - it shows both kinds.

Trespasses are sin, just unintentional, and sins NOT unto death. But sins unto death are sins of lawlessness and are willful.

 

[CharismaticLady]

"MY" Christ the Lord Jesus, IS SPIRIT, that came forth out from God.

Woa hoss! That is a Gnostic teaching.

1 John 4:2-3
By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

Spirits don't bleed.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I’m not “scrambling for cover” or for anything else.

If you want proof of my claim – simply open up the Catechism of the Catholic Church and you will find Scriptural support for virtually every doctrine.

Why is it that you all expect me to do YOUR homework for you??

Does the Catechism of the Catholic Church really misinterpret 1 John 1 and Romans 7 so blatantly? Wow!

1 John 1 is a contrast of light and darkness. You are believing the verses for darkness are saved. Not!

Verses:
5 - God is light
6 - walk in darkness
7 - walk in the light
8 - (unbelievers) saying they don't sin
9 - how an unbeliever can be saved
10 - (unbelievers) saying they've never sinned in their whole life.

Another contrast is by Paul comparing Romans 7 to Romans 8. Law vs. Spirit. Or, with the sin nature vs. being born again of the Spirit.

 

[Taken]

I agree with what you are trying to say, but needs one small correction.

Trespasses are sin, just unintentional, and sins NOT unto death. But sins unto death are sins of lawlessness and are willful.

Thank you for your comment.

Could you elaborate?

1) Trespass is a SIN according to what?
A Law?
What Law?
Something else?

2) What is the CONSEQUENCE for a Trespass?
What is the the Consequence according to?
A Law?
What Law?
Something else?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Woa hoss! That is a Gnostic teaching.

You woa... No need for you to attempt to LABEL me. That would be for me to decide.

I said; "MY" Christ the Lord Jesus is Spirit...

We can discuss that...^

Or we can discuss the Following verse you posted.

1 John 4:2-3
By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

Spirits don't bleed.

1 John 4:2-3
1) Begins by saying "EVERY SPIRIT"...that confesses....etc.

2) Are YOU "A SPIRIT" ? (That has confessed...etc.?}

3) DO YOU "BLEED" ?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CharismaticLady]

Thank you for your comment.

Could you elaborate?

1) Trespass is a SIN according to what?
A Law?
What Law?
Something else?

2) What is the CONSEQUENCE for a Trespass?
What is the the Consequence according to?
A Law?
What Law?
Something else?

Glory to God,
Taken

God sees two types of sins. Here is my partial explanation below. Look up Leviticus 5:15, and read Numbers 15:22-36 - it shows both kinds.

“If a person commits a trespass, and sins unintentionally in regard to the holy things of the Lord

 

[CharismaticLady]

You woa... No need for you to attempt to LABEL me. That would be for me to decide.

I said; "MY" Christ the Lord Jesus is Spirit...

We can discuss that...^

Or we can discuss the Following verse you posted.



1 John 4:2-3
1) Begins by saying "EVERY SPIRIT"...that confesses....etc.

2) Are YOU "A SPIRIT" ? (That has confessed...etc.?}

3) DO YOU "BLEED" ?

Glory to God,
Taken

You responded against the claim that Jesus was fully human and fully God. To say the Jesus was only Spirit is exactly what the old Gnostic teaching was.

 

[Taken]

God sees two types of sins. Here is my partial explanation below. Look up Leviticus 5:15, and read Numbers 15:22-36 - it shows both kinds.

I asked what Law, and you identify Mosaic Law.

Are you UNDER Mosaic Law?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

God sees two types of sins. Here is my partial explanation below. Look up Leviticus 5:15, and read Numbers 15:22-36 - it shows both kinds.

“If a person commits a trespass, and sins unintentionally in regard to the holy things of the Lord

Again...according to Mosaic Law...

Are you Under Mosaic Law...either you are or you are not.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CharismaticLady]

I asked what Law, and you identify Mosaic Law.

Are you UNDER Mosaic Law?

Glory to God,
Taken

If you commit a trespass under the New Covenant, it will automatically be forgiven as long as you are walking in the Spirit and forgive others their trespasses against you. The New Covenant is not lawless.

 

[Taken]

You responded against the claim that Jesus was fully human and fully God. To say the Jesus was only Spirit is exactly what the old Gnostic teaching was.

Correct.
I believe scripture is Clear:

Men, (that you, by a mans term call a Human)...is:

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground...


Where is your Scripture to verify, your claim, regarding Jesus, that Jesus was also was a man (that you call a human), formed of the dust of the ground" ?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CharismaticLady]

Correct.
I believe scripture is Clear:

Men, (that you, by a mans term call a Human)...is:

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground...


Where is your Scripture to verify, your claim, regarding Jesus, that Jesus was also was a man (that you call a human), formed of the dust of the ground" ?

Glory to God,
Taken

Only if Mary was God also.

 

[Taken]

If you commit a trespass

Against WHO specifically?

under the New Covenant, it will automatically be forgiven as long as you are walking in the Spirit and forgive others their trespasses against you.

What "OTHERS" specifically?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Only if Mary was God also.

Try to stay on point.

I asked you for Scripture that verifies your claim that Jesus was a HUMAN and formed from the Dust of the ground.

If you have none, just say so.

Then tell how your claim (Jesus is a human from the dust of the ground) is valid.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CharismaticLady]

Against WHO specifically?



What "OTHERS" specifically?

Glory to God,
Taken

human beings, or do you think just men and not women? LOL

“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Try to stay on point.

I asked you for Scripture that verifies your claim that Jesus was a HUMAN and formed from the Dust of the ground.

If you have none, just say so.

Then tell how your claim (Jesus is a human from the dust of the ground) is valid.

Glory to God,
Taken

Adam was the only human formed from the dust of the ground. Woman was formed from Adam's rib. All other human beings are formed from the union of man and women. Birds and bees 101.