Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

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CharismaticLady

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To be righteous. It is necessary to stop stealing, it is necessary to stop committing adultery, it is necessary to begin giving to the poor. These are all commands that define the "righteousness" of God. Unless you obey the commands of God that define righteousness you cannot inherit the kingdom of God, because the kingdom of God is a kingdom of righteousness, not torahlessness as you people surmise, which is why you have no clue why you need to obey.

You do realize though that what you are describing is the Ten Commandments ("stealing," "adultery"). That is the ministry of death. We are not under the ministry of death, but the ministry of the Spirit. It is the Spirit of Christ that frees us from committing sins of lawlessness. Those desires are no longer in our nature, IF we have been born again of the Spirit. I don't see Prayer Warrior advocating lawlessness, but I haven't seen what he IS advocating. Like me, he could be advocating walking in the Spirit. Or, like you surmise, he could be advocating a license to sin. We don't know, so I wouldn't get angry and assume. You might like to edit out your last bit and end with the word, "righteousness" which is correct.
 
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The purpose of the Torah was to reveal what sin is through its commands, not to free us from sin, and because we were still slaves to sin when the Torah was given, then the Torah merely brought death, because the Torah says for example, "if a man commits adultery, he shall be put to death". Which is why the death of the Messiah was necessary, not to permit us to disobey the Torah, but to free us from sin, through his blood, by the set-apart airflow, which the blood of animals was never able to do, and so cause us to obey the Torah perfectly. You have completely misunderstood the writings of Paul, and have gone into torahlessness.
Again, read Romans and Galatians. The gospel has nothing to do with going back to the law. Do you know what the gospel is? I'd like to hear what you think that is. And Jesus' death didn't simply free us from sin, our certificate of debt was nailed to the cross....if youre born again. His substitutional atonement means He took my sin and expiated it on the cross. He didn't die so we could obey the o.t. law. Thats about as backwards as it gets.
 
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Again, read Romans and Galatians. The gospel has nothing to do with going back to the law. Do you know what the gospel is? I'd like to hear what you think that is. And Jesus' death didn't simply free us from sin, our certificate of debt was nailed to the cross....if youre born again. His substitutional atonement means He took my sin and expiated it on the cross. He didn't die so we could obey the o.t. law. Thats about as backwards as it gets.

Do you believe that because Jesus paid our penalty, that the sins we commit are no longer held against us?
 

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To be righteous. It is necessary to stop stealing, it is necessary to stop committing adultery, it is necessary to begin giving to the poor. These are all commands that define the "righteousness" of God. Unless you obey the commands of God that define righteousness you cannot inherit the kingdom of God, because the kingdom of God is a kingdom of righteousness, not torahlessness as you people surmise, which is why you have no clue why you need to obey.
Our righteousness comes from Christ, not obeying what the bible clearly says we can't obey in the first place.

2 Cor 5:21
21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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What does Paul say about righteousness and the law?

Gal 2:21
21 "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." NASB

You place entirely too much emphasis on the law. Look to Jesus.
 

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Do you believe that because Jesus paid our penalty, that the sins we commit are no longer held against us?
You need to be more specific. This is where confusion begins. If i steal will i be caught and prosecuted? Sure. Is that same sin held against me in eternity? No. When Jesus atones for sin its 100% of the guilt/penalty as far as eternity is concerned. In this life there are consequences for sin. My eternal destination was settled at the cross. And no, before someone assumes it, i am not advocating a license to sin. As believers in Jesus we are changed, a new creation and zealous for good deeds;
Romans 12:1-2
2 Cor 5:17
Titus 2:14
 
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You do realize though that what you are describing is the Ten Commandments ("stealing," "adultery"). That is the ministry of death. We are not under the ministry of death, but the ministry of the Spirit. It is the Spirit of Christ that frees us from committing sins of lawlessness. Those desires are no longer in our nature, IF we have been born again of the Spirit. I don't see Prayer Warrior advocating lawlessness, but I haven't seen what he IS advocating. Like me, he could be advocating walking in the Spirit. Or, like you surmise, he could be advocating a license to sin. We don't know, so I wouldn't get angry and assume. You might like to edit out your last bit and end with the word, "righteousness" which is correct.

The Torah is the ministry of death not because the commandment is evil, for the command is good and righteous and set-apart, but because it brings the punishment of death to those who disobey the commandment.
 

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Again, read Romans and Galatians. The gospel has nothing to do with going back to the law. Do you know what the gospel is? I'd like to hear what you think that is. And Jesus' death didn't simply free us from sin, our certificate of debt was nailed to the cross....if youre born again. His substitutional atonement means He took my sin and expiated it on the cross. He didn't die so we could obey the o.t. law. Thats about as backwards as it gets.

You cannot discard a Torah that define all that is sin. It is stupid to surmise so. That is why the Messiah said, "I did not come to abolish the Torah". It is you who has no understanding of the gospel.
 

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Our righteousness comes from Christ, not obeying what the bible clearly says we can't obey in the first place.

2 Cor 5:21
21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
NASB

What does Paul say about righteousness and the law?

Gal 2:21
21 "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly." NASB

You place entirely too much emphasis on the law. Look to Jesus.

The purpose that the Messiah died is so that we may obey the Torah,

in order that the righteous requirement of the Torah might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the airflow.
Romans 8:4

And I will put my airflow within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
Ezekiel 36:27

You have absolutely no understanding of the truth.
 

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The Torah is the ministry of death not because the commandment is evil, for the command is good and righteous and set-apart, but because it brings the punishment of death to those who disobey the commandment.

For a non-Christian true. The problem was not the law, but because of our sin nature. We will do what comes naturally. Those with a sin nature will sin; those without the sin nature will not sin.
 

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You cannot discard a Torah that define all that is sin. It is stupid to surmise so. That is why the Messiah said, "I did not come to abolish the Torah". It is you who has no understanding of the gospel.
And yet death reigned from Adam to Moses didn't it? There wasn't a torah was there. The wages of sin is death; Rom 6:23. Jesus lived His life perfectly and kept the law perfectly. Something you and i can't do, never could never will. The gospel has nothing to do with keeping the law. What we are told to obey is the gospel; 2 Thess 1:8
 

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For a non-Christian true. The problem was not the law, but because of our sin nature. We will do what comes naturally. Those with a sin nature will sin; those without the sin nature will not sin.
I think you left two words out... in two different places.
It might better and more accurately read: "For a non-Christian true. The problem was not the law, but because of our sin nature. We will do what comes naturally. Those with a sin nature will DESIRE TO sin; those without the sin nature will not DESIRE TO sin."
And as righteous as we might want to sound, we all still do fall short, and sin.
 

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The purpose that the Messiah died is so that we may obey the Torah,

in order that the righteous requirement of the Torah might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the airflow.
Romans 8:4

And I will put my airflow within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
Ezekiel 36:27

You have absolutely no understanding of the truth.
Airflow? What translation is this? That might be your first issue.....well
 

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I think you left two words out... in two different places.
It might better and more accurately read: "For a non-Christian true. The problem was not the law, but because of our sin nature. We will do what comes naturally. Those with a sin nature will DESIRE TO sin; those without the sin nature will not DESIRE TO sin."
And as righteous as we might want to sound, we all still do fall short, and sin.

And what type of sin does a Christian commit that is truly born again? 1 John 5:16-17
 

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