David Wilkerson's "The Vision"

[Bobby Jo]

I understand, but I’m gonna look pretty ridiculous carrying around a sword and a purse, and a mantle... I hope that’s not like a scarf?

"mantle"? Really? How about a BAG! A sword to protect youself; a "purse" (men carry billfolds, -- and that's not to say you're a MAN); and the BAG which contains what you need to survive.


But don't be silly, when everything "hits the fan", Jesus will come down and save you from your -- what's that word that starts with an "s"?!?


But then again, there are those among the Christians which are foolish.
Bobby Jo

 

[Waiting on him]

Do you guys know what similitudes are?

 

[Waiting on him]

"mantle"? Really? How about a BAG! A sword to protect youself; a "purse" (men carry billfolds, -- and that's not to say you're a MAN); and the BAG which contains what you need to survive.


But don't be silly, when everything "hits the fan", Jesus will come down and save you from your -- what's that word that starts with an "s"?!?

Bobby Jo

Similitudes?

 

[Bobby Jo]

Similitudes?

No. Just your foolishness!


Bobby Jo

 

[Helen]

It ain't "satisfied". We're still waiting for the judgement of FIRE, and it will consume part of the church, and refine part of the church. My personal GUESS is maybe 60/40, but probably 80/20 given the slop we're fed from the HIRELING pulpits.

Not a very rosy picture, but better than the number on the ark ...
Bobby Jo

Some call it the judgement of fire ...some call it the cleansing of fire..
"Our God is a consuming fire" ...He loves via the fire ..."God is love."

Depends if you are viewing it from the bottom up , or the top down.

 

[Waiting on him]

"mantle"? Really? How about a BAG! A sword to protect youself; a "purse" (men carry billfolds, -- and that's not to say you're a MAN); and the BAG which contains what you need to survive.


But don't be silly, when everything "hits the fan", Jesus will come down and save you from your -- what's that word that starts with an "s"?!?


But then again, there are those among the Christians which are foolish.
Bobby Jo

Come down? He’s here.

 

[Waiting on him]

No. Just your foolishness!


Bobby Jo

That starts with an f?

 

[Waiting on him]

Over 70 prophesies tell us it will be. Plainly stated as: Amos 1, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +
Isaiah 30:26a informs it will come from God's storehouse, the sun. NOT a thermonuclear war, which would pollute the earth for thousands of years.

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Upon all flesh.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Some call it the judgement of fire ...some call it the cleansing of fire. ...

... and it's BOTH, depending upon whether it consumes you or refines you. -- There's wood, hay, and stubble, and there's precious metals. It just depends on what we've spent our lives pursuing.


Bobby Jo

 

[Waiting on him]

and the BAG which contains what you need to survive.

What size do you believe Christ is, so I’ll know what size bag to purchase?

 

[Helen]

... and it's BOTH, depending upon whether it consumes you or refines you. -- There's wood, hay, and stubble, and there's precious metals. It just depends on what we've spent our lives pursuing.


Bobby Jo

Agree ...

I read a vision way, way back ....someone saw the whole earth burning.....
In the vision some people held hands and walk toward it...others tried to run from it...the hand holders walk through it and out the other side!

 

[Bobby Jo]

Agree ...

I read a vision way, way back ....someone saw the whole earth burning.....
In the vision some people held hands and walk toward it...others tried to run from it...the hand holders walk through it and out the other side!

Yeah, but it ain't "hold'in hands" that will get us through, -- and MANY will get through who AREN'T Christians. There will be some who are simply anti-authority who will refuse to become part of the one-world-economic-system and won't accept the "mark of the beast". But ALL who accept the "mark of the beast" will drop dead when Jesus returns (Rev. 14:9-11). And the sad thing is, -- I expect the duration when we won't be able to buy or sell will only be some 5 to 6 months. So if a person had simply planned for a refuge with 6 months of provisions, they'd have a better than average chance of survival, -- provided they weren't situated in a high priority nuclear target zone.

Of course with all the weapons detonating, and all the cities on fire, and no one to stop the fires, -- man will eventually realize that with only two hours of "daylight", that we're no longer killing our enemies, but we're killing our planet and thereby ourselves. Thus mankind will survive, -- with pervasive radiation sickness --, but our natural healing ability is so well designed that most will survive.

The only question is whether our preparations will be for us, or more importantly for our children and grand children, because many young families don't have the resources necessary to get them through today, much less having a stocked refuge. So it's mostly on us to prepare for them.


We only have some ~18 months~ until we can't buy or sell, and some ~24 months~ when we'll see the bright lights. And ~24 months~ isn't very long. So we'd better bet busy and do as much as we can while we can ...
Bobby Jo

 

[Hidden In Him]

It seems to me there are TWO solutions to any Prophetic topic.

The FIRST is: What do we see in the world. -- And it's EASILY confused when we compare our "standards" with the decline of society; or we expect Jesus to return some 40 years after the international recognition of Israel

Greetings, Bobby Jo.

I do think many tend to jump the gun on the timing of end-time fulfillments. In their zeal to see the Lord's return, they start assuming things are going to be happening far faster than they actually do.

The SECOND is: What does Scripture provide. -- Now this is almost as tricky as the first, because of FALSE teachings by the church; and our own inadequate grasp of Scripture. Take for example the "mortal wound that was healed". Was it already in existence PRIOR to the U.N. having started it's 42 months of influence, or was the wound inflicted DURING the 42 months?

Sometimes only hindsight gives us the context for our understanding.

Yes. There's also the problem of misinterpreting scriptures. Both of these things are very common. I think it takes the ability to discern the Shepherd's Voice, both regarding scripture and regarding end-time prophecy.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I also really appreciated what DW had to say and the only point I remember which I don't see as happening ...yet, was already mentioned on someone else's post about dancing in the nude in churches. However, before deciding that DW was not in the end time, would we not need to know [that is know, rather than guess or believe] what the end time is to God and how long in human terms the end time will last? One year, fifty years one hundred, twenty centuries?

Yes. As I was telling Bobby Jo, the incessant tendency on the part of most Christians today is to assume prophecies are coming to pass quickly, when they rarely of ever do. That whole vision posted in the OP is still set in the future, though we are starting to see the early phases of it coming to pass now, and that was spoken 50 years ago. Put two and two together, and we have a LONG time before the end comes still.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I had a dream last night,

I dreamt I walked out on my back porch and found my dog lying there next to a dead white rabbit, the rabbit was covered in dirt.

I picked up the rabbit hoping for it to still be alive, as I know my neighbors raise blue ribbon white bunnies.... it was already stiff, so I did the best I could with warm water and soap to clean it’s fur.

Upon being certain my neighbors weren’t home I took the rabbit too their back yard and placed it in an empty cage.... about two hrs later I hear horrific screams coming from my neighbors.

I ran next door and asked them what’s wrong, the neighbors barely able to speak inform me the rabbit died a week ago and they had buried it

I conclude that God wants me to get rid of the dog?

I wouldn't conclude anything about your dog, Waiting on Him. For one thing the dream may just be your soulish imagination at work during sleep and not God, in which case it would be an awful thing for your dog to lose his home over it. For another, from my experiences with interpreting, when a dream is from God it usually deals with something far more weighty in your life; nearly always your spiritual life or the lives of those close to you. He isn't generally in the habit of sending His people dreams about preventing their animals from digging dead rabbits up out of the neighbor's back yard, LoL.

(Not dismissing you here, just saying that if it is from God there will be more to it than just surface interpretations and surface subject matter).

 

[Hidden In Him]

Or don't dig up the past...it could harm someone.

@Waiting on him. The above would be more in line with what I was talking about. Something that has serious bearing on your or someone else's life.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Hahaha! That is an old story, I heard it a long time ago!
I've even seen comedy 'take off's' of it on TV.

I was wondering if he wasn't pulling our leg, LoL.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Well, I logged on this morning to comment on the part of the vision concerning there eventually being completely gay churches in every city in America. We may not be there yet, but I checked, and there are now 8,562 "LGBQ affirming" churches in Northern America alone, and the number is growing rapidly.
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There were a few gay-affirming churches in the early 70s, but nothing like this we see today. Thus it doesn't seem all that far fetched, given the current trends, to think that one day there will indeed be completely gay churches in every city in the US, just as the vision predicted; something way beyond the Christian imagination back in 1973.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Greetings, Bobby Jo.
I do think many tend to jump the gun on the timing of end-time fulfillments. In their zeal to see the Lord's return, they start assuming things are going to be happening far faster than they actually do.

Yes. There's also the problem of misinterpreting scriptures. Both of these things are very common. I think it takes the ability to discern the Shepherd's Voice, both regarding scripture and regarding end-time prophecy.

Hey HIH,

It's not to say that we can't know MORE that we do, but there are some obvious hurdles to overcome. And having sufficient "pursuit", we can know the signs, the events, the participants, and the timing of end-time eventualities.

Matt. 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force. -- If better rendered should read: The kingdom of heaven is obtain by pursuit, and pursuers take it by ardent action.​

But most people are content in their ignorance.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ...​

... and we ARE in the 42 month (not seven-year) Tribulation!

With Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[amadeus]

We are actually told the approximate length of the end times.
They will commence with the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, Revelation 6:12-17, that will set the scene for all the prophesied things before Jesus Returns.
Immediately after the Sixth Seal, the Lord will open the Seventh Seal, which refers to a time gap. A gap of about a half hour in heaven.
We know that time is not and cannot be the same for God in heaven as for humans on earth. Two scriptures inform us of the difference; One Day to God [in heaven] is the same as 1000 years of earth time. Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8

So the simple calculation of 1/48th of 1000 years on earth, being the same as 1/48th of day to the Lord in heaven, means that the prophesied time period is about 15 to 20 years from the Seventh Seal until Jesus Returns.
Which is about right for all that is prophesied to happen then.

Thank for providing your calculation. While I see your point, I wonder what DW saw, or thought he saw, and how it would have affected the accuracy of his prophecy? I do not believe he purposely misstated things. However, if you are correct, then his own conception of the duration of the end time was in error. Is it possible for a person be partially in error in a prophecy from God due to his lack of understanding or misunderstanding of some things? Consider the reasons why there are so many denominations.

Prophecy in the scriptures speaks not only of predictions of future events but of also simply speaking God's Word. We likely know [without doubt?] that ministers in churches sometimes present mixed messages to their audiences, part from God, part from their own carnal input. This is certainly a major reason that so many denominations exist today.

Like the preacher/teacher, sometimes as hearers our result may also be a mixed message that differs from that of the preacher/teacher.

I know that a prophecy completely from God will have no errors. How many prophecies like that do we hear? On the other hand, how many mixed messages do we hear?

Could not what we heard from DW then be partly right? The listeners here did not all reject all that he said, nor did they all accept all that he said. The parts rejected and accepted are not all the same from person to person.