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[Truther]

Translation:
"Duhhhh, I can't answer you until I take my foot out of my mouth."

You teach that Mary has her feet on Joseph and Rachel, and has the 12 sons of Jacob on her head.

What is she doin' with them folks, Catholic?

 

[Enow]

Which “perversion” of which Pope contradicts the Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility?

How does the “perversion” of that Pope contradict the Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility?

The 7 Popes that were living in sin. How can they as spiritual leaders be considered infallible by what they teach if they were living in sin?

Much cause for doubt there because of what scripture says.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

I know you guys mean that only what he teaches is where he is infallible, BUT I am talking about the spiritual state of that Pope while living in sin. How can he teach without error when he is living in unrepentant error at that time when he is teaching?

 

[Enow]

Ummmm, talk about Scriptural acrobatics . . .

You keep dancing around the fact that Paul is calling HIMSELF "Father" to the Corinthians. You are also avoiding the fact that BOTH Jesus AND Stephen refer to Abraham as "Father". Same goes for Paul regarding Isaac.
This is nothing but a pathetic semantic dodge because you fail to understand why Jesus made His comments in Matt. 23:8-9 in the first place.

Secondly - "Pope" is not even an official title of the Bishop of Rome - but merely a term of endearment that simply means "Papa", so your argument is dead on arrival . . .

Do you still ask the Lord for wisdom for your personal time in studying in the Word or not? It does seem I should leave you to Him on the matter. You seem to be trying to convince me but I'd rather just rely on Him to minister to you at a time when you are open to the truth from Him.

 

[RogerDC]

Either you adhere to sola scriptura or Popa unscriptura.

Pick one.

… an excellent example of the fallacy of the false alternative.

 

[RogerDC]

Do you still ask the Lord for wisdom for your personal time in studying in the Word or not?

What is the Word of God?

 

[Truther]

… an excellent example of the fallacy of the false alternative.

I see. You choose Popa Unscriptura.

 

[Enow]

What is the Word of God?

Scripture for how Jesus Christ is your Head as the Word of God.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Scripture is used by Him for this purpose.

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

So beware of men and churches emphasizing you to do otherwise.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Next time you pray to Mary, ask her how Jacob and Rachel and their 12 kids are doing for me, okay?

I would never do that bevause that would be necromancy, Einstein.
Do your homework . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The 7 Popes that were living in sin. How can they as spiritual leaders be considered infallible by what they teach if they were living in sin?

Much cause for doubt there because of what scripture says.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

I know you guys mean that only what he teaches is where he is infallible, BUT I am talking about the spiritual state of that Pope while living in sin. How can he teach without error when he is living in unrepentant error at that time when he is teaching?

It is the Holy Spirit - not the Pope, who protects the Church from teaching error.
And God uses WHOMEVER He desires to do His will.

Remember Pharoah??
Caiaphas??
Pontius Pilate??

 

[BreadOfLife]

I see. You choose Popa Unscriptura.

That is as stupid as saying that YOU practice "Dopa Moronica" - but I would never say such a thing . . .

 

[Enow]

I would never do that bevause that would be necromancy, Einstein.
Do your homework . . .

So are you against praying to Mary? Do you tell other Catholics to stop doing that or am I misunderstanding you here?

You can't say that Mary cannot answer in that way when some Catholics testify to Mary speaking to people. And if Mary can speak to people, then by their reasoning, she can answer prayers. How can the evil appearance of "necromancy" be avoided?

This video below is about seeing what they believe was the virgin Mary, but would you remind them of this?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The term antichrist as applied in scripture means " instead of Christ " or to be more precise "instead of the Son" rather than how the world applies "anti" to mean as against something. Anything taking the place of Christ where the focus should be on the Son in coming to God the Father by, is the antichrist.

So is this necromancy here to invoke a spirit to come believing that to be the "virgin Mary". I am sure they are not just standing around waiting for that light to come but praying for that to happen.

 

[Truther]

That is as stupid as saying that YOU practice "Dopa Moronica" - but I would never say such a thing . . .

No, I practice sola scriptura, not Mary worshipa and commentaria as the RCC does

 

[Truther]

I would never do that bevause that would be necromancy, Einstein.
Do your homework . . .

Just curious.

Why do you have rosary prayers for Mary and not Jesus?

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, I practice sola scriptura, not Mary worshipa and commentaria as the RCC does

The only thing that is evident by your posts is your total ignorance of all things Biblical or Catholic.

 

[Truther]

The only thing that is evident by your posts is your total ignorance of all things Biblical or Catholic.

Scripture I knowa, but Catholic I know nota. I quote the Bible, while Catholics quote Mary and saint Beelzebub, etc.

 

[Enow]

It is the Holy Spirit - not the Pope, who protects the Church from teaching error.
And God uses WHOMEVER He desires to do His will.

God can do that without the Holy Spirit being involved. God can use Satan. Surely you can't say he has the Holy Spirit for God to use him.

Remember Pharoah??
Caiaphas??
Pontius Pilate??

You are citing examples of people that did not have the Holy Spirit to make your case?

I ask you, how come God did not pick a better Pope since there were many "good" Popes?

And why weren't the bad Popes removed by a "better & more qualified" Pope?

 

[BreadOfLife]

So are you against praying to Mary? Do you tell other Catholics to stop doing that or am I misunderstanding you here?

You can't say that Mary cannot answer in that way when some Catholics testify to Mary speaking to people. And if Mary can speak to people, then by their reasoning, she can answer prayers. How can the evil appearance of "necromancy" be avoided?

This video below is about seeing what they believe was the virgin Mary, but would you remind them of this?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The term antichrist as applied in scripture means " instead of Christ " or to be more precise "instead of the Son" rather than how the world applies "anti" to mean as against something. Anything taking the place of Christ where the focus should be on the Son in coming to God the Father by, is the antichrist.

So is this necromancy here to invoke a spirit to come believing that to be the "virgin Mary". I am sure they are not just standing around waiting for that light to come but praying for that to happen.

Where did I ever make this claim??

Are you capable of posting anything without lying??

 

[BreadOfLife]

God can do that without the Holy Spirit being involved. God can use Satan. Surely you can't say he has the Holy Spirit for God to use him.



You are citing examples of people that did not have the Holy Spirit to make your case?

I ask you, how come God did not pick a better Pope since there were many "good" Popes?

And why weren't the bad Popes removed by a "better & more qualified" Pope?

Wrong.
The Scriptures tell us that GOD hardened Pharoah's heart (Exod 9:12).
GOD is in charge - not Satan.

STUDY your Bible . . .

 

[Enow]

Where did I ever make this claim??

Are you capable of posting anything without lying??

Apparently, you do not seem to know the difference between asking you a question and lying.

Because of what you had posted, clarity was needed, but if you go flying off the handle like that, ….. I shall be expecting no answer from you because obviously, by your answer that you are not against praying for Mary, I cannot see how you can abstain from the evil appearance of necromancy.

Can you explain the difference between the two? Because I cannot see how you can.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Scripture I knowa, but Catholic I know nota. I quote the Bible, while Catholics quote Mary and saint Beelzebub, etc.

You've gotten everything wrong so far.
Sounds like "Scriptura Ignorama" . . .