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Not other true Christians, no.

My ministry is not to the outside unsaved in the world, though I will speak to them.
My ministry is to the unsaved inside the Church.
Do you believe @marks is not saved?

Luke 18:10 KJV
[10] Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.


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Paul says here that with his flesh he serves sin?

Romans 7:25 KJV
[25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


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Romans 7 is Paul's description of those before Christ and the dilema and struggle they went through due to still having sin in their nature. It is all about sin. But keep reading. Romans 8:1-9 Note, Paul still uses the word "me."

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

"Condemned sin in the flesh" means he killed the desire to sin from our nature, making our natures born again of the Spirit. This is why Romans 6 says we are dead to sin. And 8:9 says we are NOT in the flesh (old nature) but in the Spirit.
 

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Do you believe @marks is not saved?

Luke 18:10 KJV
[10] Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.


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I know marks and believe he is saved. He teaches one thing, but I know he practices righteousness. It is those who walk in darkness and claim to be saved that are not saved. 1 John 1:6
 

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Let me ask you this; during the great tribulation, only those with the mark of the beast will be able to buy & sell, right?

Christians are not going to have that mark. If they did, the warning falls flat because they will go to the lake of fire no matter what.
Right: people who live under the One World Govt, ruled by the AC, will have to have the 'mark', in order to buy and sell.
Christians will not have that 'mark', because we won't be members of the OWG. Our nation will be called Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
This is proved by how the AC comes to us soon after the Gog/Magog horde is wiped out by the Lord for attacking us. The AC negotiates a 7 year peace treaty. But he breaks it at the mid point and conquers the holy people, Zechariah 14:1-2 and declares himself to be god. 2 Thess 2:4 Proved in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7.

We Christians will be divided into two groups, as Daniel 11:32-35 and Revelation 12:6-17 describe. The group who must remain will face persecution, as Revelation 12:17 says. Many will be beheaded and become the Tribulation martyrs. Revelation 6:11, 20:4
The other group will be taken to and nurtured in a place of safety on earth, for that 1260 days before Jesus Returns. Revelation 6:14
We will be gathered to Him at His Return, as Matthew 24:30-31 and 1 Thess 4:17 describe.

This scenario is what the Bible prophets tell us will happen. Any other theories or fables are false and can never happen. Sadly, as 2 Timothy 4:3-4 says; Many will follow their own ideas and will stop their ears to the truth and believe fables.
 
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When we walk in the Spirit I don't think we commit any sins. If we are living in love for others we don't sin, love is the fulfillment of the Law.

Some different perspectives . . .

Cleanses us from sin, that is, we don't sin.
Cleanses us from sin, that is, we are not guilty of sins we commit.
Cleanses us from sin, that is, we do not suffer the after-effects of sin.

The Spirit would not lead us to do anything - anything - that is against love for God and others. Nothing. Not a cross thought. Not an accidental failure to overstep our bounderies. The fruit of the Spirit is self control. If you are walking in the Spirit, you are self-controlled.

Aren't you?

Much love!

As long as one is in the flesh they will sin,no if's and's or buts.
 

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We have to remember that what was said here is for us and not necessarily to us.

It is to show that when a people turn away from God to idols, then judgment will follow, either in this life or the next. Also, we must remember that under the Mosaic Law, blessings came when people did what was right, and cursing came when people "blew it".

But this is not written for or to genuinely converted Christian believers. Whereas the unconverted Israelites under the Law were required to keep the Law and observe the animal sacrifices for sin, their hearts were not transformed, and they were still dead in their sins, and for those who were going to be saved and not lost, were those who maintained faith in the Messiah to come, and so kept the Law to the best of their ability, remained faithful to God, and observed the animal sacrifices on the God-approved altar.

But conversion to Christ involves a total transformation of the heart and the spirit being made alive. It is a transformation from the inside that works itself out through commensurate actions. This means that a converted Christian hates sin and loves God from his or her heart, so there needs to be no anxiety about losing ones standing with Christ, unless people make a conscious, knowing, and deliberate choice to reject Christ and declare themselves atheist.

I'm exceedingly tired of this whole saved/not saved nonsense. Its a sleeping pill.

Holy - abundantly saved.
Righteous - scarcely saved
Filthy - outer darkness forever
Wicked - second death, lake of fire

Do you see there is a fate worse than death? Do you see the fate worse than death involves men who will live forever? The second death is not the worst fate. So is assuring men that they will not surely die the thing you want to keep teaching?
 

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My point is a true Christian would never commit murder even once. But you say as long as you don't practice sin you're okay. What? Based on what scripture? The only time the word practice is used is in regards to righteousness, not sin. But the word commit means not even once.

really? I guess david, and abraham and moses where not true believers,

you need to learn some greek. John does not literally day a person no commited one sin sin has never met God, if he did, no one alive has met God,


So answer the question. Is 1 John 1:6 about a Christian? Do Christians walk in darkness or light, as 1 John 1:7 says. John walked in the light, so who is he talking about in verse 6.
Can a christian walk in darkness, of course he can, did the prodigal son walk in light? Of course not he left the light for what he thought was greener patches and found out how dark they are which led him back to christ.

What did John say, if we say we have FELLOWSHIP with him

fellowship is not salvation, it is speaking of our walk

you have not answered about John 1: 8-9. That is what I am discussing. John said if he said he has no sin we he decieved.
You can not get past that statement
 

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"Grace is receiving something you have not earned." Yes, Jesus died for us while we were yet sinners. Therefore, before Christ, grace was unmerited favor.

so grace was only offered in OT.
"people who receive grace are changed by it" Yes, but now grace is no longer unmerited favor because now God is inside of us making us worthy to be called children of God 1 John 3:1. Now grace is the power of God. (This is seen in advanced studies).
so you think yur actions make yu worthy? Oh boy

Romans 3:24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
and being sanctified are not processes. It happens when we first repent and Jesus gives us His Spirit that makes us dead to sin. Most people believe in the process theory that it takes a lifetime to overcome all sin. What a slap in the face to Jesus to was manifest to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin 1 John 3:5; and to whom the Son makes free (of sin) is free indeed John 8:34-36
That’s positional sanctification

Paul called the corinthian church babes in Christ, he also called them sinners, because they were entrenched in sexual sin.
They were positionally sanctified.they were in the process of being conditionally sanctified, where their lifetime walk resembles Christ,
Hebrews 10:26-31
6 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
So you ignore the same authors words where he said we are being sanctified?

I guess the au5or was confused?
 

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Then why is that mentioned in 1 John 1:7?

The apostle John in the Book of 1 John was addressing believers that believe sin was no longer sin to them where that they can commit sin and it was not sin that they had committed. That was why John said that verse about walking in the light.

Believers may commit sin for why 1 John 1:9 exists but John was pointing out that we are not to sin willfully, but if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father in 1 John 2:1-2.

So the danger here is that believers were living in sin, thinking sin cease to be sin for the believers, but that is not the case when they need Jesus to forgive them of their sins and to destroy the world of the devil in their lives ( 1 John 3:8 ) so they can lean on Him to walk in the light as Jesus has done when He was on the earth in fellowship with the Father & the Son.
 
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Right: people who live under the One World Govt, ruled by the AC, will have to have the 'mark', in order to buy and sell.
Christians will not have that 'mark', because we won't be members of the OWG. Our nation will be called Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
This is proved by how the AC comes to us soon after the Gog/Magog horde is wiped out by the Lord for attacking us. The AC negotiates a 7 year peace treaty. But he breaks it at the mid point and conquers the holy people, Zechariah 14:1-2 and declares himself to be god. 2 Thess 2:4 Proved in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7.

We Christians will be divided into two groups, as Daniel 11:32-35 and Revelation 12:6-17 describe. The group who must remain will face persecution, as Revelation 12:17 says. Many will be beheaded and become the Tribulation martyrs. Revelation 6:11, 20:4
The other group will be taken to and nurtured in a place of safety on earth, for that 1260 days before Jesus Returns. Revelation 6:14
We will be gathered to Him at His Return, as Matthew 24:30-31 and 1 Thess 4:17 describe.

This scenario is what the Bible prophets tell us will happen. Any other theories or fables are false and can never happen. Sadly, as 2 Timothy 4:3-4 says; Many will follow their own ideas and will stop their ears to the truth and believe fables.

That does not explain the warning Jesus gives to believers to pray to escape because of the snare of surfeiting, drunkenness, and from being overcharged to the cares of this life when they would have to have the mark of the beast to do that sort of thing to even be tempted during the great tribulation. That warning can only apply in the times we are living now, brother. That is what you are overlooking in Luke 21:33-36

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Pray about it. So far the warning here is describing a time that we are living in now where we can be overcharged with the cares of this life and to be even tempted to surfeit and to get drunk by. The warning falls flat when you apply that to believers gong through the great tribulation.
 

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Romans 7 is Paul's description of those before Christ and the dilema and struggle they went through due to still having sin in their nature. It is all about sin. But keep reading. Romans 8:1-9 Note, Paul still uses the word "me."

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

"Condemned sin in the flesh" means he killed the desire to sin from our nature, making our natures born again of the Spirit. This is why Romans 6 says we are dead to sin. And 8:9 says we are NOT in the flesh (old nature) but in the Spirit.
You do realize the law wasn’t given to the Gentiles?
 

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really? I guess david, and abraham and moses where not true believers,

you need to learn some greek. John does not literally day a person no commited one sin sin has never met God, if he did, no one alive has met God,



Can a christian walk in darkness, of course he can, did the prodigal son walk in light? Of course not he left the light for what he thought was greener patches and found out how dark they are which led him back to christ.

What did John say, if we say we have FELLOWSHIP with him

fellowship is not salvation, it is speaking of our walk

you have not answered about John 1: 8-9. That is what I am discussing. John said if he said he has no sin we he decieved.
You can not get past that statement

You may know Greek but do you know about Semitic writing styles? John is using "contrasts" in 1 John 1 and 1 John 3. 1 John 3 is obvious, but you have to know this advanced theology to know what this author, a Jew, is meaning. 1 John 1 is contrasting of the light and of the darkness.

Verse 5 - God is light
Verse 6 - walk in darkness
Verse 7 - walk in the light
Verse 8 - deceiving self (of need for Christ)
Verse 9 - repentance (how to become a Christian)
Verse 10- lying about God and that they have never sinned in their whole life since birth
 

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The apostle John in the Book of 1 John was addressing believers that believe sin was no longer sin to them where that they can commit sin and it was not sin that they had committed. That was why John said that verse about walking in the light.

Believers may commit sin for why 1 John 1:9 exists but John was pointing out that we are not to sin willfully, but if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father in 1 John 2:1-2.

So the danger here is that believers were living in sin, thinking sin cease to be sin for the believers, but that is not the case when they need Jesus to forgive them of their sins and to destroy the world of the devil in their lives ( 1 John 3:8 ) so they can lean on Him to walk in the light as Jesus has done when He was on the earth in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

I agree for the most part, but see the context of the book as the infiltration of Gnosticism trying to take root, thus the verses regarding the spirit of antichrist and testing the spirits to see if they are of God.

John also shows in the 5th chapter that there are two types of sin, but they are still sin. Sins unto death (willful sins of lawlessness), and sins not unto death (unintentional trespasses not even known to us, and therefore we cannot repent). 1 John 2 about Jesus being our advocate, seeing as no repentance is mentioned, I do not believe He is our Advocate for willful sins unto death because they have "trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Heb. 10:29-31). Therefore, Jesus is our Advocate for the sins we know nothing about, but are still sins. This is why 1 John 1:7 shows someone walking in the light, but still Jesus is cleansing them of sin. What kind? Trespasses. But He still has a condition. Matthew 6:14-15. We must forgive others their trespasses against us.
 

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You may know Greek but do you know about Semitic writing styles? John is using "contrasts" in 1 John 1 and 1 John 3. 1 John 3 is obvious, but you have to know this advanced theology to know what this author, a Jew, is meaning. 1 John 1 is contrasting of the light and of the darkness.

Verse 5 - God is light
Verse 6 - walk in darkness
Verse 7 - walk in the light
Verse 8 - deceiving self (of need for Christ)
Verse 9 - repentance (how to become a Christian)
Verse 10- lying about God and that they have never sinned in their whole life since birth
Sorry but you can agree this way if you desire

your mention of vs 8 is totally wrong. He is talking about being decieved that we are sinless
 

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so grace was only offered in OT.
so you think yur actions make yu worthy? Oh boy

Do you have power to not sin? Or are you still ruled by a carnal nature? I ask, because your scoffing tells me you cannot relate to the scriptures that tell us we are not in the old nature but in the Spirit, and become partakers of the divine nature. It is only our past sins that are taken away - why? Because we not have power.
 

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Sorry but you can agree this way if you desire

your mention of vs 8 is totally wrong. He is talking about being decieved that we are sinless

We are still sinners if we have never repented. But once we have we are cleansed of ALL SIN. If clean, are we still dirty? You cannot be a sinner and a child of God at the same time. Without holiness, no man shall see God.

You may have a long way to go to work out your own salvation. First step is being born again of the Spirit.
 

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You do realize the law wasn’t given to the Gentiles?

Gentiles can be grafted into the same root as Israel. Therefore the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has freed Gentiles also of the law of sin that plagued their old nature since Adam. Do you know a Gentile can be born again of the Spirit?
 

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Do you have power to not sin? Or are you still ruled by a carnal nature? I ask, because your scoffing tells me you cannot relate to the scriptures that tell us we are not in the old nature but in the Spirit, and become partakers of the divine nature. It is only our past sins that are taken away - why? Because we not have power.
It seems you want to think you know what I am saying and not determine reality of what I am saying

do not accuse me of things

yes I believe in gods power. I also believe Paul in romans 7. I will not think I am better than paul
 

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We are still sinners if we have never repented. But once we have we are cleansed of ALL SIN. If clean, are we still dirty? You cannot be a sinner and a child of God at the same time. Without holiness, no man shall see God.

You may have a long way to go to work out your own salvation. First step is being born again of the Spirit.
Your a sinner saved by grace

If I have to work out
My salvation to be saved I
Am doomed as are you