I looked up 1 Thess 4 and I don't see 1000 years mentioned.
Do you know of a passage in the old testament minor prophets that can be interpreted as 1000 years living in His sight? The Millennium?
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I looked up 1 Thess 4 and I don't see 1000 years mentioned.
Never seen it.Do you know of a passage in the old testament minor prophets that can be interpreted as 1000 years living in His sight? The Millennium?
It's a Messianic prophecy - the reference being raised up on the third day.Hosea 6:1-3
It's a Messianic prophecy - the reference being raised up on the third day.
But there is no mention of repentance in the reference you have provided. The reference is consistent with the Isaiah prophecy about the Messiah being smitten of God and bruised for our iniquities. To be honest, I would say that the reference refers more consistently with Messianic prophecy, and to make it refer to the general restoration of Israel and a 1000 year Millennium might be reading something into the reference that is not there.Sort of. But it is not Jesus that needs to repent. The Jews have been partially blinded and scattered to all the nations for 2000 years. Then all Israel will be saved, and the Millennium with the Messiah is 1000 years.
... prophecies about the restoration of Israel in the last days, and the 1948 institution of the nation of Israel ...
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But there are other prophecies about the restoration of Israel in the last days, and the 1948 institution of the nation of Israel is a partial fulfilment of them.
This is true. It is a fact that the large proportion of Jews living in present day Israel are secular, "nominal" Jews, along with Christians and Arabs; and the orthodox Jews are a relative minority. So, the merger of state and religion is not as pronounced as it was in First Century Judea. That's why I said that the institution of the nation of Israel is just a partial fulfilment of the prophecy. There is a lot more to come that we haven't seen yet.Gen 15:16 is the only prophecy that I know of that is directly linked to the 1948 return of some of Abraham's descendants to the Land of Canaan. The restoration of the Nation of Israel to God does not happen until after the start of the Armageddon event, where God will gather them to himself, plant them in a fertile field/soil and teach them about the Gospel of Christ, i.e. the Mountain of Israel which is to become the highest mountain in the whole earth.
The redeeming process of the Nation of Israel as set out in scripture requires Israel to repent of the sins of their fathers as well as their own idolatrous sins first. IMHO, God is still waiting for Israel to repent. Yes Israel is seeking to find the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but on their terms and not on God's terms. God is waiting for them to accept His terms of peace, before He will enter into a covenant of Peace with them.
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Daniel 12:4-13: - 4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
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But there is no mention of repentance in the reference you have provided.
The reference is consistent with the Isaiah prophecy about the Messiah being smitten of God and bruised for our iniquities.
All you are doing is taking one phrase out of the total context and making it mean something other than what the context indicates. Your contention indicates that you have a limited understanding of the extent of the consequences between Jesus and the Father when Jesus became sin for us as He hung upon the cross. For three hours, his relationship with the Father was torn apart, and He, alone from His Father for the first time in eternity took the full eternal wrath of the Father upon Himself. In the midst of that He cried out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" So this definitely does speak of a tearing - of his relationship with the Father. After the three hours, Jesus was able to say, "It is finished", in other words, "The debt is paid". Then as He died He said, "Father, into Your hands I commit my spirit". Notice that in the midst of His torment, He did not address the Father as His Father. He cried out, "My God!" which meant at that point the Father was no longer a Father to Him, but His God who was pouring out His wrath upon Him. But as Jesus died, He knew that because the debt of sin had been paid, He was able to again relate to His Father as His Father, and He was able to say, "Father, I commit my spirit to you." At that point, He gave up His life because there was no more purpose for Him to be alive in the flesh. The cross didn't kill him, because the prophecy said that no one would take His life. He gave it up voluntarily once the purpose for Him being hung on the cross was fulfilled.Come, and let us return to the Lord;
That IS repentance.
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
It is clear as day to me. It doesn't say He was torn; it say He has torn. Who? The Jews who rejected Him. That is why they need to return to the Lord. It is not Jesus that needs to return to the Lord.
All you are doing is taking one phrase out of the total context and making it mean something other than what the context indicates. Your contention indicates that you have a limited understanding of the extent of the consequences between Jesus and the Father when Jesus became sin for us as He hung upon the cross. For three hours, his relationship with the Father was torn apart, and He, alone from His Father for the first time in eternity took the full eternal wrath of the Father upon Himself. In the midst of that He cried out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" So this definitely does speak of a tearing - of his relationship with the Father. After the three hours, Jesus was able to say, "It is finished", in other words, "The debt is paid". Then as He died He said, "Father, into Your hands I commit my spirit". Notice that in the midst of His torment, He did not address the Father as His Father. He cried out, "My God!" which meant at that point the Father was no longer a Father to Him, but His God who was pouring out His wrath upon Him. But as Jesus died, He knew that because the debt of sin had been paid, He was able to again relate to His Father as His Father, and He was able to say, "Father, I commit my spirit to you." At that point, He gave up His life because there was no more purpose for Him to be alive in the flesh. The cross didn't kill him, because the prophecy said that no one would take His life. He gave it up voluntarily once the purpose for Him being hung on the cross was fulfilled.
To be frank, anyone who uses comprehension 101 would see that the reference is to the Messiah.
So the Jewish nation will be revived in two days, and be raised up on the third day? How is that going to happen? There was only one Person who was raised up on the third day, and that was Jesus. How can one half of a reference be talking about one thing and the second half of the same reference be talking about something else?It seems you are being condescending.
Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
When did Jesus need to return to the Lord? When did He reject God? Comprehension 101 is definitely speaking of the Jews.
That's why I said that the institution of the nation of Israel is just a partial fulfilment of the prophecy. There is a lot more to come that we haven't seen yet.
So the Jewish nation will be revived in two days, and be raised up on the third day? How is that going to happen? There was only one Person who was raised up on the third day, and that was Jesus. How can one half of a reference be talking about one thing and the second half of the same reference be talking about something else?
That, I can agree with. There will be a remnant of Israel who have fled into the wilderness and been protected by the Holy Spirit and when Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives, they will return, see Him in person and believe on Him, be saved, and become part of the company of the saved along with the Gentiles. Then the distinction between Jew and Gentile will disappear and the saved will become one people under Christ.Yes, 2000 years from sometime in the first century when God struck them with partial blindness. They will be unblinded shortly before the second coming when Christ will reign on earth for 1000 years.
... the New Jerusalem will come down and we will be with the Lord for ever.
That, I can agree with. There will be a remnant of Israel who have fled into the wilderness and been protected by the Holy Spirit and when Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives, they will return, see Him in person and believe on Him, be saved, and become part of the company of the saved along with the Gentiles. Then the distinction between Jew and Gentile will disappear and the saved will become one people under Christ.
After the 1000 year reign, the unsaved dead will be resurrected to judgment and the final curtain will come down on Satan, his demons, and the unsaved, who will all go into the lake of fire, the present world and universe will be rolled up and put out of existence, and a new earth and universe will be created, the New Jerusalem will come down and we will be with the Lord for ever.