The Law of Love, compared to the Law of Conscience, compared to the Law of Moses and the Prophets.
Romans 7:6 tells us of yet another perspective, the law of the letter versus the spirit of the law.
The spirit of the law is the only thing that we can be perfectly obedient to. The letter is impossible to keep, Galatians 3:22, Galatians 6:13.
But imo eating the hidden manna like that is really the most important part!
It seems that there is poison hidden in your manna.
One prophet said by just praying give me a new spirit to God, you became an eternal being, and were eternally saved, which they did on a TV show. It was for me very odd,
Ezekiel 36:25-27 does speak of receiving a new heart and a new spirit and this being salvation resulting in walking according to God's statutes and judgements.
it is all just a gift.
Now it is fine that if this is your position, then I can continue to describe what I am saying God says, when He clearly says, obey and be blessed, disobey and be condemned.
The bible speaks of the gift of righteousness (Romans 5:17) which John tells us is always practical (1 John 3:7; see also Romans 5:19 and Matthew 5:6).
To me it comes down to this.
Are we working towards salvation? Or are we working out salvation?
Is our eternal salvation something we work towards, hoping to attain? Or is our eternal salvation given to us now, and from that we go on to do works?
IF we are working towards salvation, and salvation may be won or lost from our works, then our works are what determines our salvation, and justfication is meaningless.
If we are working out our salvation, then God is working in us, having justified us, and salvation is from faith and not works.
Much love!
Salvation is by faith alone unto the changing of the heart so that one is inclined toward doing good works.
jesus did not come to call the righteous to climb the mountain
he came to raise the dead (sick) so they can have life
Yes; and this life is the righteousness of the Lord within them; which is normally practical in nature (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).
you say you do not preach works, but every time you post it is about works, and deeds and climbing mountains?
There is a race to be run in the Christian life (see Hebrews 12:1-4). We enter the race through the grace of the Lord; and we win it by the grace of God; which is not to say that there is no effort involved on our part. In 1 John 5:18 it is written that we keep ourselves.
Paul never considered himself to have "arrived" at some supreme state of achievement:
"Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." (Philippians 3.14-15)
Of course, it is written that as many as are
perfect ought to have this attitude, that we have room to grow (Philippians 3:15).
Question
You say here the elect will always stand
So if this is true
How can the elect ever lose salvation?
The elect are those who abide in Christ for ever (1 John 2:17). And to abide means that the committing of sin is pretty much absent on a regular basis (1 John 3:6).
But we do not know who the elect are,
But the Lord does:
2Ti 2:19, Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
And we can pretty much determine who they are by judging their behaviour, whether it is sanctified or not.
There is the nominal, shallow or lukewarm believer (Luke 8:13) who we cannot say has eternal security; and then there is the believer whose faith is unto righteousness and enduring to the end (Romans 10:10, Hebrews 3:14) who we can say has eternal security (John 6:47). Two different kinds of faith, two different kinds of outcomes.
Again, are you saying that God is impotent to do what He claims, demands, and says that He will do?
God is most certainly able to accomplish entire sanctification in a believer's life (Jude 1:24 is just one example of scriptural affirmation for this).
The wages of sin is death...
But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (not our works). This is not to say that a living faith does not produce works. It is to say that I cannot obtain salvation by, for example, giving $1,000,000 to the poor. That will not regenerate me, only faith in Jesus will do that. If I am regenerated I might give that kind of money to the poor if I have that kind of excess. But works do not regenerate a man; no, it is an invisible work of the Holy Ghost that is brought about through faith.
Is someone tying up heavy burdens for others and not carrying such a load themself?
The law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ. When they realize they cannot keep it, they will come to the end of themselves and trust Jesus alone for their salvation. He is also able, once you are saved, to produce the virtue in your life that might be identified as being sanctified wholly. It is a work that is accomplished from the inside out. Without an inward change, none of the outward efforts to obtain salvation will avail; and it will be too heavy of a load. But once you operate in the newness of the spirit rather than the oldness of the letter, you are now saved through the grace of God and this grace produces all the holiness you could not accomplish when you were trying to obtain it on your own.
If one wants to claim, no this is not true, such a walk is impossible, it is just in Gods eyes they are blameless but they are still sinners,
Yes, it is in God's eyes, Ephesians 1:4, that we are blameless. But consider that there is nothing hidden from His eyes, Hebrews 4:13, He is not looking at you through rose-colored glasses when He determines your practical holiness before Him.
Or saying a believer cannot walk away from God after they have seen everything.
A believer who has the fear of the LORD cannot walk away from Him (Jeremiah 32:38-40, Psalms 19:9).
If God makes us holy when we were his enemy and every action we did 24/7 for our whole lives up to that point was sin,
Then how can we make ourselves unholy?
Indeed.
Ecc 3:14, I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
And this holiness could be broken, at which point, cleansing again had to take place.
The whole principle of sacrifice for sin,
Heb 10:11, And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12, But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13, From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
