Abortion makes Stalin and Hitler look like Amateurs

[liafailrock]

Interesting!! My Bible says no such thing. It talks about the seed of Adam, the seed to Abraham, and the seed of David, but I have never seen any eggs in the mix.

Can you quote the passage of Scripture that says this, or are you writing your own bible??

I'm not writing my own bible, but you are good at putting words into my mouth. I did not say that the bible talks about an egg. I was stating that the sperm and egg is what makes (what the bible calls) the seed. There's indications that the semen is called that, (e.g. spilled his seed onto the ground), but that is not a complete zygote (talking biologically). From an observer's standpoint, the seed is implanted into the woman and she makes the baby so the semen (Seed) and the egg becomes the actual living seed. I think the bible clearly says that about the man's seed and the woman having a baby i.e. "conceived" thus implying the egg. What you just stated does nothing to this argument but a diversion. What you are going around telling people that the embryo in the womb is dead, thus you are allowed to abort. That's so ridiculous I really should not be wasting my time debating such an obvious error. If it were dead, you'd get what you call a miscarriage. So when does the baby become a person in your opinion?

As for James, your quotes are really out of context. He was saying faith without works is dead as a body without a spirit is dead, ie. its a corpse. A corpse rots and comes to nothing. But for a corpse to be a corpse it had to be alive at one time, i.e had a spirit. And if a baby in the womb is "dead" then it, too had to be living at one time to which you never answered when this was. It's hard to tell a mother that when she feels the baby moving about inside her and jumps and kicks and whatnot. Saying such a thing is dead is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[Joseph77]

That's so ridiculous I really should not be wasting my time debating such an obvious error.

In the assembly of Ekklesia, such pernicious talk from them would not be tolerated at all...
not even to the second sentence so to speak - they would be stopped and would have to leave if they tried to continue (if they would not be silent)... so they seek out groups that permit such things...

 

[Cristo Rei]

And here is a riddle for you. God wiped out an entire tribe of Israel via abortion. Which tribe did He exterminate??

I give up, old testament isn't my forte

 

[Joseph77]

I give up, old testament isn't my forte

Don't worry - that one is a fraud...

The more he tells about his teachers/ what they taught him, the more clear it becomes. (his false teachings and false beliefs and what is behind them ...)

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say "Thou shalt not have an abortion."
In fact, it is demanded of immorally conceived progeny.

What is wrong with abortions?? Show me from Scripture! Like show me where Scripture says "Thou shalt not have an abortion". That would be a basic starting point, but the Scripture makes no such declaration. So you are merely making up you own false Scripture.

I am not concerned with how many Christians consider abortion to be wrong, I am only concerned with what Sola Scriptura says. That's enough to deal with over one lifetime without getting into catechisms and all that sort of stuff.

When will you learn Stan.
We’ve been down this road about a DOZEN times – and a DOZEN times you’ve LOST.

The following verses of Scripture highlight the fact that God considers us persons - BEFORE we were born.
Psalm 139:16
Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Jer. 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Job 31:15
Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers?

Psalm 22:10
From birth I was cast on you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

Your understanding of Scripture is as immature as your grandstanding about abortion. You always bring up verses like Job 33:6 to show that we are made of “dirt". We’re NOT. The ONLY person that was made of dirt/clay was Adam. YOU were formed in your mommy’s womb from an egg and a sperm.

The description of “clay” in Job 33:6 is phenomenological language. In other words, Einstein – it’s about appearances vs reality. We all came from Adam – who was formed from clay. Job wasn’t – but you’re incapable of understanding this.

Finally – your insistence that Abortion is “fine” because the Bible doesn’t explicitly say NOT to “abort” children is about the most ignorant point of your argument.

Where does the Bible explicitly condemn watching pornography?
While we’re at it - where does the Bible explicitly mention Sola Scriptura?
Where does the Bible explicitly mention the list Books that belong in it??

You’ve dug quite a hole for yourself, Stan . . .

 

[prism]

Am I afraid to offend murderers? Even mass-murderers? Am I, worse than those WWII Germans that disgust me so much? Do I really have a proportionate perspective?

The difference between then and now is that today the mothers willingly take their victims to the 'gas showers' whereas then the mothers had enough sense to protect their little ones by resisting the Nazi killing machine.

 

[Stan B]

I give up, old testament isn't my forte

It is found in the book of Hosea, who prayed that God would smite the tribe of Ephriam with perpetual abortions until the entire tribe of Ephriam was blotted off of the face of the earth.

"For you have played the harlot, forsaking your God."

"7 The days of punishment have come,
The days of retribution have come;"

"11 As for Ephraim, their glory will fly away like a bird—
No birth, no pregnancy and no conception!
12 Though they bring up their children,
Yet I will bereave them until not a man is left.
Yes, woe to them indeed when I depart from them!
13 Ephraim, as I have seen,
Is planted in a pleasant meadow like Tyre;
But Ephraim will bring out his children for slaughter.
14 Give them, O Lord what will You give?"

Hoseas's prayer: "Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts."

"16 Ephraim is stricken, their root is dried up,
They will bear no fruit.
Even though they bear children,
I will slay the precious ones of their womb.
17 My God will cast them away
Because they have not listened to Him;"
Hosea 9

If you read Revelation 7, you will note that Ephriam is excluded from the 144,000. Instead of saying "Ephriam and Manasseh", it reads "Manasseh and Joseph".

God doesn't regard abortion as a sin. He uses abortion as a tool.

 

[Stan B]

When will you learn Stan.
We’ve been down this road about a DOZEN times – and a DOZEN times you’ve LOST.

The following verses of Scripture highlight the fact that God considers us persons - BEFORE we were born.
Psalm 139:16
Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Jer. 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Job 31:15
Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers?

Psalm 22:10
From birth I was cast on you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

Your understanding of Scripture is as immature as your grandstanding about abortion. You always bring up verses like Job 33:6 to show that we are made of “dirt". We’re NOT.

You have quoted a whole bunch of non-relevant verses saying God knows stuff, but not a single law. When God issues laws they read a lot like this"

“You shall not murder.

“You shall not commit adultery.

“You shall not steal.

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

And you can't find even a hint of such law in all of Scripture!

 

[liafailrock]

It is found in the book of Hosea, who prayed that God would smite the tribe of Ephriam with perpetual abortions until the entire tribe of Ephriam was blotted off of the face of the earth.

"For you have played the harlot, forsaking your God."

"7 The days of punishment have come,
The days of retribution have come;"

"11 As for Ephraim, their glory will fly away like a bird—
No birth, no pregnancy and no conception!
12 Though they bring up their children,
Yet I will bereave them until not a man is left.
Yes, woe to them indeed when I depart from them!
13 Ephraim, as I have seen,
Is planted in a pleasant meadow like Tyre;
But Ephraim will bring out his children for slaughter.
14 Give them, O Lord what will You give?"

Hoseas's prayer: "Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts."

"16 Ephraim is stricken, their root is dried up,
They will bear no fruit.
Even though they bear children,
I will slay the precious ones of their womb.
17 My God will cast them away
Because they have not listened to Him;"
Hosea 9

If you read Revelation 7, you will note that Ephriam is excluded from the 144,000. Instead of saying "Ephriam and Manasseh", it reads "Manasseh and Joseph".

God doesn't regard abortion as a sin. He uses abortion as a tool.

1) Ephraim is around today. It is a commonwealth of nations (Genesis 48:19)
2) As a matter of fact Ephraim is one of the two sticks rejoined Ezekiel 37:15-22 which historically did not occur yet. The Jews, and the dispersed of Israel (aka lost tribes) will all be rejoined in the age of Messiah yet in the future.
3) They will have land allotment Ezekiel 48:5-6 which this description of the land allotment and future temple did not occur yet.

You have to take all the facts (I presented some of many) and not apply it to a time of their punishment only. In Torah, all Israel was warned of similar punishment for disobedience. In fact, Ephraim was representative of all Israel (as stated above in the sticks) and the Lord was using their name to ironically twist that to mean for a season they would not be as populous. Bereaving of children is fulfilled by childlessness or possibly miscarriage. This is not the same as deliberate abortion. And for that matter, it's interesting you ask:

And here is a riddle for you. God wiped out an entire tribe of Israel via abortion. Which tribe did He exterminate??

and then a passage in Revelation was pointed out that they are not there. Well, neither is the tribe of Dan. Why did you say there's only one tribe? And, what about Benjamin almost getting wiped out? Yet God saved them all because in the end there's reference to all 12 tribes.

4) The bible does indeed say that it's possible to be killed in the womb, and therefore the baby inside is living. Why would anyone want to create life and then destroy it again? That is breaking the commandment 'thou shalt not kill (murder)" Why are you even associating the Lord's punishment with an innocent unborn child?

 

[prism]

God doesn't regard abortion as a sin. He uses abortion as a tool.

When man transgresses God's command 'Thou shall not murder' by murdering helpless lives in the womb, it is not only a griveous sin but it becomes a tool of the State and a reason for God to punish a people.

 

[Joseph77]

When man transgresses God's command 'Thou shall not murder' by murdering helpless lives in the womb, it is not only a griveous sin but it becomes a tool of the State and a reason for God to punish a people.

... JUSTLY.... RIGHTEOUSLY... yes....

Even though the deaths of more perpetrators , (God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked) ,
His Righteousness AND His Word Demands that those who wantonly murder the innocent will and do suffer GOD'S WRATH (not just His Righteous Punishment)....

 

[Joseph77]

..... like simon who sought to purchase what cannot be bought,
hopefully those who murder children
OR
those who approve of the murder (they also are guilty as charged AND suffer the same wrath),

hopefully they suffer pangs of guilt, a living conscience still somewhere buried but still active,
and
can be saved from the fire, careful though that we not to be contaminated by their sin, ....

 

[BreadOfLife]

You have quoted a whole bunch of non-relevant verses saying God knows stuff, but not a single law. When God issues laws they read a lot like this"

“You shall not murder.

“You shall not commit adultery.

“You shall not steal.

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

And you can't find even a hint of such law in all of Scripture!

Uhhh, the first one you listed, Einstein (in RED).

Murder is the taking of an innocent life of a PERSON.
The verses I showed you confirm that God recognizes our personhood in the WOMB (Psalm 139:16, Jer. 1:5, Job 31:15, Psalm 22:10).

When YOU can debunk those verses - them maybe somebody will listen to your angry nonsense.

 

[Base12]

Luke 2:21
"And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb"

Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations"

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is found in the book of Hosea, who prayed that God would smite the tribe of Ephriam with perpetual abortions until the entire tribe of Ephriam was blotted off of the face of the earth.

"For you have played the harlot, forsaking your God."

"7 The days of punishment have come,
The days of retribution have come;"

"11 As for Ephraim, their glory will fly away like a bird—
No birth, no pregnancy and no conception!
12 Though they bring up their children,
Yet I will bereave them until not a man is left.
Yes, woe to them indeed when I depart from them!
13 Ephraim, as I have seen,
Is planted in a pleasant meadow like Tyre;
But Ephraim will bring out his children for slaughter.
14 Give them, O Lord what will You give?"

Hoseas's prayer: "Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts."

"16 Ephraim is stricken, their root is dried up,
They will bear no fruit.
Even though they bear children,
I will slay the precious ones of their womb.
17 My God will cast them away
Because they have not listened to Him;"
Hosea 9

If you read Revelation 7, you will note that Ephriam is excluded from the 144,000. Instead of saying "Ephriam and Manasseh", it reads "Manasseh and Joseph".

God doesn't regard abortion as a sin. He uses abortion as a tool.

Another perversion of Scripture on your part.

NOWHERE is he asking God to rip unborn children OUT of their mother's wombs.
He is asking God to prevent them from growing as a people.

That's why you always get into trouble when you open a Bible . . .

 

[Stan B]

Uhhh, the first one you listed, Einstein (in RED).

Murder is the taking of an innocent life of a PERSON.

Your problem is that you don't understand the English language!!! So to enlighten you the legal definition of murder is "The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."

I am still waiting for you to present those laws, like "Thou shalt not . . . "

 

[Stan B]

Another perversion of Scripture on your part.

NOWHERE is he asking God to rip unborn children OUT of their mother's wombs.
He is asking God to prevent them from growing as a people.

That's why you always get into trouble when you open a Bible . . .

I don't know much about abortions, or ripping them out of the womb. My initial education came 60 years ago when I was a street kid on the streets of Toronto. The young teenage girls who were part of my culture told me about their survival techniques before abortion was legal (lawful).

One of them was to sit in a hot mustard bath until the fetus was expelled, and before the mother lost consciousness.

Another method was to inject an abortion cocktail into the uterus.

A third method was the knitting needle method where many bled to death in the process.

While I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-freedom, freedom for each person to deal with the difficulties of life in their own way, as their own choice, and not the choice of some un-Godly radical anti-abortion cult.

My views on abortion are largely formed by hearing the death-challenging efforts in which the helpless are forced to engage for mere survival.

God quickly lifted me out of that society of which I never took part. One day a took my girlfriend and her sister (princess of the prom) to the motorcycle club where many of us hung out. The girls who hung out there had never before encountered anyone like the girls that accompanied me. They couldn't take their eyes off of them during the entire visit.

So I am in favour of medically assisted abortions, since the back-alley alternative is not a very pleasant consideration.

 

[kcnalp]

I haven't heard any of the BLM people speak out against the genocide of unborn black babies.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

We get upset about many things, yet Churches and Christians are for the most part, passive or mildly upset about killing babies.

When I was young, my father who was in WWII and I discussed a documentary on Germany and Hitler. I was incensed at the German people that would just say nothing, and go along with Hitler's genocide. We cannot just blame Hitler! The people did not stop it! Few brave people spoke out. A few more secretly opposed it and did what they could. But the vast majority supported genocide, because their conscience was so hardened and seared that they saw nothing wrong with it.., or they said and did nothing out of pathetic cowardice and fear.

People are passionate about the injustices in this world, yet compare that to 1.5 Billion murdered babies! Why is my fury so tempered when it comes to infanticide? Is it because I do not want to admit that by age 45, one third of American women have had an abortion. Am I afraid to offend murderers? Even mass-murderers? Am I, worse than those WWII Germans that disgust me so much? Do I really have a proportionate perspective?

1.5 Billion Children Are Dead – What Is The Appropriate Sentence For Such A Crime?

I would think that the German people knew about the killing of the spastics and such that became to much of a burden before Hitler came to power due to 200% inflation in their depression, they had very much debt forced on them, Hitler said it's sink or swim and they took to swim. many healthy people were starving and died, many young children died and people lost everything that they had and many marriages were destroyed.
But the genocide of the Jews was hidden from most of the German people, even W Churchill hid that until near the end of the war.
When a peoples belly is starving out comes the beast and when one as endured such they sure as hell make sure that they will not go through that again come hell or high water.
I am of the opinion that the Germans were played so as to swallow the Nazi dribble, just as was Russian people were played before hand to create a Communist Nation and this had to do with the World Banking community that was orchestrated by so called Jews.
Not to mention that we are being played nowadays by the same forces. Vampires ! is what they are, one could say, they drain the life blood out of the Nations, by that I mean the Holy Spirit is under attack ! to create a degenerate God less feeble people who are easy lead by such diabolical display.
We are witness to the dog cunning now being peddled that their is no excuse for what so ever. killing healthy baby's for convenience boy that is the lowest of the low. what a pathetic people how can they hold their head up ? dogs ! Hellfire will come to such Nations for sure because they clearly despise God.
People nowadays bag the German people for what they did in the 1940's but the fact was they were being lead astray by the workings of Satan, but what is our excuse now ? nothing ! ignorance is bliss, until reality kicks in.
A godless people is set to fail and they will fail badly. they have not learnt for the mistakes of history, in fact they don't care to be bothered until it's too late and then it's oh my god oh my god why is this happening . well fact is that you have s--- in your own nest.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I haven't heard any of the BLM people speak out against the genocide of unborn black babies.

You wont because they are under the influence of Satanist ! it has nothing to do with black people at all, it's about power !