Not sure what you're getting at. The Father is He. lolkcnalp said: ↑
Col 1 By Jesus all things were created.
Gen 1 God created the heavens and earth ...
Jesus is God the Creator!
@kcnalp Clearly so, indeed..
now the mystery deepens but comes out clear as DAY. if Jesus Made all things including man, male and female per Matthew 19:3 why then is he, Jesus, referring to himself as "he"...(smile), have you ever thought about that?.
oh the deep things of God which only the Holy Ghost can teach.
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101G
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Read Matthews 19:3 & 4. it seems like our Lord Jesus who MADE ALL THING, (John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24) is saying that God, "WHO MADE ALL THINGS" is a "he" one person... are you understanding now?
PICJAG.
No argument whatsoever.
Isaiah 48
12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.
13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.
16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."
No, by God's grace, I am a member of the Seventh-day Adventist remnant movement.
You may see what we teach here:
I teach from the King James Bible (KJB). The NWT is a severely corrupted text, based in Alexandrian texts, such as Vaticanus, Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus.
Yes, the "name" (Matthew 28:19 KJB) speaks of the singular character. (see 1 Samuel 25:25, "name is, so is"), it is family JEHOVAH. Like family "Smith". One name, many persons in the family, such as Dad Smith, Son Smith Jr and Uncle Smith.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
101G
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kcnalp, 100%, now watch this, Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.
di you see it? if not listen, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." see, the First, the ordinal FIRST is the "LORD". who is the Last, the ordinal LAST, the "Lord"
see the "WITH" in between the First and the last? Isaiah 41:4, just as in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
see the First, the ordinal "FIRST" is the LORD, the Father, (Genesis 1:1), who is shared in natural flesh as a man, (per Phil 2:7) is the ordinal Last, the "Lord", the Son... John 1:1. who is to come, God in Flesh Revelation 1:1 the Holy Spirit the almighty.
... BINGO. understand now?PICJAG.
Oh, it's getting "deeper" alright. Downright Babylonian:
Pro_23:27 For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit.
Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Who is He (as you say "JESUS" is on the Throne in Revelation 4) receiving "glory and honour and power" from?YES, as the ordinal "First", LORD....
101G
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my God, my God, I started not to answer this, but since you don't know...... but do you READ at all? listen carefully, HIS "OWN" Spirit, who many ignorantly misunderstand when he say MY "GOD". my Spirit is MY GOD, for God is a "Spirit" (per John 4:24a) how many time must I say this?.
Now ReChoired, can you please answer my question, did the Lord Jesus lie when he said "GOD" is a "he" at Genesis 1:26, when God made man male and female... (smile).. YES or NO.
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101G
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see while you're in the, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." we're revealing the Godhead... lol. oh my, when will they ever learn?
ReChoired, please can you answer, "did the Lord Jesus lie when he said "GOD" is a "he" at Genesis 1:26, when God made man male and female... (smile).. YES or NO".
can you say "Yes" or "No?"
PICJAG.
101G
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well since the devil, or a cat have some tongues, it might be best not to answer with a lie... good play it safe. see the Lord Jesus himself takes away any "US" or "OUR" at Genesis 1:26.
well anyone who say different may answer.
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well anyone who say different may answer.
PICJAG.
101G
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No three person taker as to what the Lord Jesus said in Matthews 19:3 & 4 that God is a “he”, one person at Genesis 1:26.
Yes, it’s hard to kick against the prick. Just ask the apostle Paul…
well no true three believers here. good night. but read Matthews 19:4 and Mark 10:1-6 and re-read vers 6 for it clearly identifies the "he" in Matthews 19.
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Yes, it’s hard to kick against the prick. Just ask the apostle Paul…
well no true three believers here. good night. but read Matthews 19:4 and Mark 10:1-6 and re-read vers 6 for it clearly identifies the "he" in Matthews 19.
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@Emma Kim It's always good to keep going back to the Word, isn't it?@mjrhealth
Yes although the bible is written through the prophets, however it's the book that is inspired by God - which means the author of the Bible is not the prophets or men, but actually God.
2 Pe 1:20-21
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
We can see clearly that through this verse, the Bible is not written by men, men and prophets are the ones who record, but they are the ones who are guided by the Spirits and God.
Do you know that even the prophets who wrote the contents of this words, they themselves do not understand the meaning of what they had written?
Dan 12:8
I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?”
Daniel record about the prophecy of the end time 600 years before the time of Jesus FC - about the beast coming out from the sea, but this beast that comes out from the sea is also recorded in the book of Revelation which is written in AD 95.
If this Word is written by men, how can 2 different people that exist in 2 different eras are able to speak about the same content?
And Jesus also said, that we should not only believe in him, but we should also obey his teaching and his words
Jn 12:48
There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
Jn 14:23
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
Isn't this the words of Jesus too?
Thank you for replying - this is a very interesting discussion
No. Jesus is God, Deity, I AM, uncreated Creator, Almighty, &c, but not the Person/Being of the Father, neither the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit.
We deny the false and blasphemous doctrine of devils which teaches eternal torment. We acknowledge "hell" and "hell fire", and "lake of fire" (which will utterly consume the wicked in the time to come into smoke and ashes, and be no more). Most people misunderstand "hell" in the bible.
I have already shared that "God" in vs 26 is the Person/Being of the Father speaking to the Son, and witnessed by the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
"God said ..." is the Person/Being of the Father, speaking to the Son (hence let "us"). See Proverbs 8 also. So, yes, God in Genesis 1:26 is "he", as all of scripture states. The fact that God (the Father) by His Son (Jesus Christ) made all things, which includes Adam and his wife Eve, in the "image" of God, means that the man, Adam is representing the Person/Being of the Father, and the wife, Eve, in the submissive position, to that of the Son. Just as the Son always honours the Father, so too Eve was to always honour her husband (as in the LORD), and it is God which unites them both, and thus the Holy Ghost/Spirit between them (Genesis 2).
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Oh, yes, so I do not know why so many fight the obvious. Maybe I do. Pride, and through pride comes the thinking of infallibility, when pride is the furtherst thing from infallibility.Yes, it’s hard to kick against the prick. Just ask the apostle Paul…
I am a true believer in the Trio, the Three Persons/Beings. The questions your raise are not difficult, in the least, and have all been answered in detail. Yet, the answers you give me that I ask about, contradict your own position.well no true three believers here. good night. but read Matthews 19:4 and Mark 10:1-6 and re-read vers 6 for it clearly identifies the "he" in Matthews 19.
You tell me that God the Father cannot receive "power" and then turn right around and tell me that Jesus, who you claim is the Father and the Son and Spirit, received "power", even going so far as to say He received it from Himself, being both on the Throne and before the Throne at the same instance, which is a logical error.
Joh_10:9 I [Jesus] am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Yes, indeed, but if sins don't get dealt with in judgment for those who won't believe, how is a sinless heaven preserved?
That's a different question than the first. All sin is dealt with in judgment. Unbelievers (finally impenitent) will be destroyed completely (by fire).
Mal_4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Eze_28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Eze_28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Consider:
All darkness [shall be] hid in his secret places: a fire not blown shall consume him; it shall go ill with him that is left in his tabernacle. (Job 20:26)
This [is] the portion of a wicked man from God, and the heritage appointed unto him by God. (Job 20:29)
For what portion of God [is there] from above? and [what] inheritance of the Almighty from on high? (Job 31:2)
[Is] not destruction to the wicked? and a strange [punishment] to the workers of iniquity? (Job 31:3)
The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God. (Psalms 9:17)
Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins. (Psalms 7:9)
Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: [this shall be] the portion of their cup. (Psalms 11:6)
Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them. (Psalms 21:9)
For yet a little while, and the wicked [shall] not [be]: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it [shall] not [be]. (Psalms 37:10)
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD [shall be] as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away. (Psalms 37:20)
For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. (Psalms 37:28)
But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off. (Psalms 37:38)
As smoke is driven away, [so] drive [them] away: as wax melteth before the fire, [so] let the wicked perish at the presence of God. (Psalms 68:2)
Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. (Psalms 69:28)
For in the hand of the LORD [there is] a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring [them] out, [and] drink [them]. (Psalms 75:8)
All the horns of the wicked also will I cut off; [but] the horns of the righteous shall be exalted. (Psalms 75:10)
When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; [it is] that they shall be destroyed for ever: (Psalms 92:7)
For, lo, thine enemies, O LORD, for, lo, thine enemies shall perish; all the workers of iniquity shall be scattered. (Psalms 92:9)
Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD. (Psalms 104:35)
And a fire was kindled in their company; the flame burned up the wicked. (Psalms 106:18)
The wicked shall see [it], and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: the desire of the wicked shall perish. (Psalms 112:10)
The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy. (Psalms 145:20)
But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it. (Proverbs 2:22)
As the whirlwind passeth, so [is] the wicked no [more]: but the righteous [is] an everlasting foundation. (Proverbs 10:25)
The hope of the righteous [shall be] gladness: but the expectation of the wicked shall perish. (Proverbs 10:28)
The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth. (Proverbs 10:30)
The wicked are overthrown, and [are] not: but the house of the righteous shall stand. (Proverbs 12:7)
The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out. (Proverbs 13:9)
The house of the wicked shall be overthrown: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish. (Proverbs 14:11)
For there shall be no reward to the evil [man]; the candle of the wicked shall be put out. (Proverbs 24:20)
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. (Ezekiel 18:4)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20)
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. (Isaiah 13:9)
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:17)
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. (Isaiah 66:24)
For while [they be] folden together [as] thorns, and while they are drunken [as] drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry. (Nahum 1:10)
For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, [so] shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been. (Obadiah 1:16)
I will utterly consume all [things] from off the land, saith the LORD. (Zephaniah 1:2)
I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD. (Zephaniah 1:3)
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. (James 1:15)
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)
But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned. (Hebrews 6:8)
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (2 Peter 3:10)
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (Revelation 20:9)
This [is] the portion of a wicked man from God, and the heritage appointed unto him by God. (Job 20:29)
For what portion of God [is there] from above? and [what] inheritance of the Almighty from on high? (Job 31:2)
[Is] not destruction to the wicked? and a strange [punishment] to the workers of iniquity? (Job 31:3)
The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God. (Psalms 9:17)
Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins. (Psalms 7:9)
Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: [this shall be] the portion of their cup. (Psalms 11:6)
Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them. (Psalms 21:9)
For yet a little while, and the wicked [shall] not [be]: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it [shall] not [be]. (Psalms 37:10)
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD [shall be] as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away. (Psalms 37:20)
For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. (Psalms 37:28)
But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off. (Psalms 37:38)
As smoke is driven away, [so] drive [them] away: as wax melteth before the fire, [so] let the wicked perish at the presence of God. (Psalms 68:2)
Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. (Psalms 69:28)
For in the hand of the LORD [there is] a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring [them] out, [and] drink [them]. (Psalms 75:8)
All the horns of the wicked also will I cut off; [but] the horns of the righteous shall be exalted. (Psalms 75:10)
When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; [it is] that they shall be destroyed for ever: (Psalms 92:7)
For, lo, thine enemies, O LORD, for, lo, thine enemies shall perish; all the workers of iniquity shall be scattered. (Psalms 92:9)
Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD. (Psalms 104:35)
And a fire was kindled in their company; the flame burned up the wicked. (Psalms 106:18)
The wicked shall see [it], and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: the desire of the wicked shall perish. (Psalms 112:10)
The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy. (Psalms 145:20)
But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it. (Proverbs 2:22)
As the whirlwind passeth, so [is] the wicked no [more]: but the righteous [is] an everlasting foundation. (Proverbs 10:25)
The hope of the righteous [shall be] gladness: but the expectation of the wicked shall perish. (Proverbs 10:28)
The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth. (Proverbs 10:30)
The wicked are overthrown, and [are] not: but the house of the righteous shall stand. (Proverbs 12:7)
The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out. (Proverbs 13:9)
The house of the wicked shall be overthrown: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish. (Proverbs 14:11)
For there shall be no reward to the evil [man]; the candle of the wicked shall be put out. (Proverbs 24:20)
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. (Ezekiel 18:4)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20)
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. (Isaiah 13:9)
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:17)
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. (Isaiah 66:24)
For while [they be] folden together [as] thorns, and while they are drunken [as] drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry. (Nahum 1:10)
For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, [so] shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been. (Obadiah 1:16)
I will utterly consume all [things] from off the land, saith the LORD. (Zephaniah 1:2)
I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD. (Zephaniah 1:3)
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. (James 1:15)
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)
But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned. (Hebrews 6:8)
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (2 Peter 3:10)
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (Revelation 20:9)
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