The Ten Commandments—What happened?

[BarneyFife]

Because that # has come to represent that specific doctrine; and therefore if you are going to dispute that #, you need to come up with a # that can represent that doctrine in its place, lest you become guilty of making a doctrine of holy scripture unpreachable.

Why use a number at all, if there is no accurate one? It's just a cheap trick to dress it up as something legitimate. Almost no one believes that the "613 laws" have to be observed, anyway. It's practically a straw man. The great two, the ten, and anything else that supports them.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

It's so simple. The devil hates the 4th commandment because it describes the job he wants to steal from God, even though he knows it's impossible, as he will be painfully reminded of when he experiences the "scorched earth" policy of Heaven for 1000 years.

 

[CharismaticLady]

But they made a profession. Will they not then be judged as believers?

Those before Christ came, yes. Those who denied Jesus to His face and never accepted Him, no.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Do you think I would do such a thing, CL? I'm suggesting that what was finished might not be what some people think was finished. The resurrection was necessary to complete the death to sin - new life in Christ motif. So it must have been something besides general atonement that was finished whet He announced it. Even the ascension was part of the atonement ("Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to my Father"). The Sanctuary services weren't merely a wanton bloodbath of poor, dumb animals. The plan of salvation was on display for the world to see.

The Calvary event is and always will be the centerpiece of time, space, and matter. It is the sublime expression of Godly (self-sacrificing, other-centered) love. Words can't describe the glory and beauty of it. The altar of burnt offering was at the entrance to the tent of meeting, not the ultimate destination--the Holy of Holies. But being at the entrance, it was the way for the sinner and the end. But atonement is not completed there.

What was finished (besides the first phase of redemption) was the unfallen angels' sympathy for Satan. Did you not read the chapter called "It Is Finished" in Desire Of Ages when you were an Adventist?

The Desire Of Ages - Chapter 79 - It Is Finished

What was finished was the Old Covenant. Otherwise "NEW" has no meaning if the old covenant was still in affect.

Exodus 34:28

 

[Ronald Nolette]

When I was growing up in mid-20th century America, the ten commandments were the standard of morality for Christians. My Southern Baptist grandmother often asked me to mow her lawn (about an acre). But she would never allow me to do it on Sunday.

Lately, I'm hearing more and more about a doctrine which states that the ten commandments were nailed to the cross and that the Holy Spirit has replaced them. I recently asked my very aged father about this and he said that he'd never even heard of such a thing.

What happened?

Whole lot of people answered so I hope this isn't a repeat!

Jesus fulfilled the Law and thus rendered it null and void! AS written in Galatians.

The commandments were a school master to lead Israel to Christ! Galatians

the commandmetns written in stone a re a ministry of death as declared in corinthians.

It was the cornerstone of the Old Covenant. We live in a new covenant.

BTW of the ten commandments only nine were re-established with the Church. We have entered into Sabbath rest and have no special day mandated for us.

 

[justbyfaith]

If "the righteousness of God", it's not <<we>> who have it; it's the righteousness of GOD "RECKONED us for righteousness".

And what nonsensicality non-Scripture righteousness is <<a righteousness apart from the law that is attested to by the law and the prophets>>!? I'll tell what it is, a righteousness apart from the Law, attested to by the Law as CONTRARY <<the prophets>> and AGAINST GOD the Author of the Law. A <<righteousness apart from the law>> IS THE LAW OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, BIGOTRY AND ANTI-CHRIST!

Just read the scripture in question (Romans 3:21).

Stinking self-righteousness.

Galatians 2:20 does not speak of self-righteousness; but of Christ's righteousness as He lives His life in and through us.

Why use a number at all, if there is no accurate one? It's just a cheap trick to dress it up as something legitimate. Almost no one believes that the "613 laws" have to be observed, anyway. It's practically a straw man. The great two, the ten, and anything else that supports them.

the #613 will be used to denote that there are more than just the original ten commandments written in stone that we identify as the law of God. It is also very conveniently associated with a doctrine, found in Galatians 6:13 (notice the similarity on numbers).

It is the devil who is seeking to attack this as a doctrine by going in through the back door. "Not on my watch" will he succeed at getting rid of this doctrine.

 

[Cooper]

Just read the scripture in question (Romans 3:21).



Galatians 2:20 does not speak of self-righteousness; but of Christ's righteousness as He lives His life in and through us.



the #613 will be used to denote that there are more than just the original ten commandments written in stone that we identify as the law of God. It is also very conveniently associated with a doctrine, found in Galatians 6:13 (notice the similarity on numbers).

It is the devil who is seeking to attack this as a doctrine by going in through the back door. "Not on my watch" will he succeed at getting rid of this doctrine.

Judaism is dead since the resurrection and the destruction of the temple.
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[justbyfaith]

Judaism is dead since the resurrection and the destruction of the temple.
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The # 613 therefore refers to the many commandments in Judaism and how keeping them does not save a man (see Galatians 6:13 and Galatians 3:10).

 

[Cooper]

The # 613 therefore refers to the many commandments in Judaism and how keeping them does not save a man (see Galatians 6:13 and Galatians 3:10).

As it is impossible to keep the whole law, everyone is cursed.

We read in the Bible that everyone who hangs on a tree is cursed. Jesus was cursed for our sins, and it is our faith in His redeeming work that saves us.

We are saved by faith and not by works, the same as the Old Testament patriarchs.

Moses would have never been saved for his works, but there he is in the book of Hebrews among the redeemed.

So like I say, the law in Judaism condemns us, but Jesus saves us.

Lights out for now, keep looking unto Jesus, and God bless.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Whole lot of people answered so I hope this isn't a repeat!

Jesus fulfilled the Law and thus rendered it null and void! AS written in Galatians.

The commandments were a school master to lead Israel to Christ! Galatians

the commandmetns written in stone a re a ministry of death as declared in corinthians.

It was the cornerstone of the Old Covenant. We live in a new covenant.

BTW of the ten commandments only nine were re-established with the Church. We have entered into Sabbath rest and have no special day mandated for us.

I agreed with you until the last one. None of them were repeated in the New Covenant. They were the bottom line, but never went deep enough to make anyone righteous. Someone with hatred in his heart may still not murder - the bottom line.

 

[Waiting on him]

I agreed with you until the last one. None of them were repeated in the New Covenant. They were the bottom line, but never went deep enough to make anyone righteous. Someone with hatred in his heart may still not murder - the bottom line.

Yep if your so devoid of love that God has to give written commands for you to follow, that should convince you of something.

 

[Waiting on him]

1 Thessalonians 4:9 KJV
[9] But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

 

[BarneyFife]

Yep if your so devoid of love that God has to give written commands for you to follow, that should convince you of something.

What a nice thing to say. Very loving.

 

[BarneyFife]

1 Thessalonians 4:9 KJV
[9] But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

1 Corinthians 6
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[BarneyFife]

None of them were repeated in the New Covenant.

Well then I guess I don't know what the ten commandments are or the new covenant, one or the other.

 

[BarneyFife]

We read in the Bible that everyone who hangs on a tree is cursed. Jesus was cursed for our sins, and it is our faith in His redeeming work that saves us.

We are saved by faith and not by works, the same as the Old Testament patriarchs.

Why do people parrot this stuff over and over?

It is a total STRAW MAN argument.

No one is claiming salvation by works. NO ONE!

There are no legalists here.

Obedience is not in the slightest bit meritorious toward salvation and NO ONE, NO ONE is saying so!!!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Well then I guess I don't know what the ten commandments are or the new covenant, one or the other.

I understand your confusion having once been SDA, and am not mocking you or your beliefs that the Old Covenant still is in force. You already have all of the new covenant you need to be saved, but have hung on to the old as well, not knowing the meaning of you can't put new wine into old wine-skins. I believe once you said something about covenant theology. In any covenant ALL of the covenant is in force, or NONE of it is. You can't just keep the Ten Commandments and Leviticus 11 laws, and not the feasts too. The New Covenant has laws that go far beyond the Ten Commandments, establishing the true law of God of loving God with all the heart, mind, and body, and loving your neighbor as yourself, and writing those two on our hearts. I know you believe it was the 10C that were written on our hearts, but the eternal laws are much more than they. That is found written about in the Old Covenant, but the Ten Commandments, holy as they were, could never bring a person to that level of holiness. They were commanded to merely not murder, when the core of the sin was hate, not addressed. The same was said of adultery. They were not to commit the actual act, but nothing was said about lusting after another person's spouse. See how incomplete and how far from the eternal law of God when seen side by side?

Jesus came to take care of the inner core issues of sin and introduced His updated version of the Old commandments of the Father and what they were when He started showing His own commandments in the Sermon on the Mount. After the Day of Pentecost, Jesus cleansed those who repented and believed on Him by eradicating the sin nature (the problem source) and empowering us with His sinless Spirit and wrote the actual eternal law of God to love God with all your heart, mind and body, and love your neighbor as yourself into our new nature. Now look at the New Covenant laws and see how they complete the eternal laws of God when seen side by side.

Love God with all your heart, mind, and body, and love your neighbor.

1 John 3:23-24 "And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

John 15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."

They are two similar but separate sets of commandments. I know well your comeback that Jesus and the Father are one, but you need to read this a few times if you still can't see the difference.

As far as what I see about you, you have the actual eternal laws of God written on your heart and love Jesus, but you mistakenly think they are the 10C, so therefore add the Sabbath which was the sign of the Old Covenant, but not the New. The Cup of the New Covenant is the sign of the New.

 

[Waiting on him]

What a nice thing to say. Very loving.

I see, let me clarify I didn’t mean to imply She is devoid. I was trying to state if people are so devoid they need a written law, nothing further than how Christ Himself dealt with Scribes and Pharisees, which by the way is my opinion as to whom the written law was for. Given on stone tablets, not flesh tablets which would reference the heart ( mind of Chris)

thanks for your response.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I see, let me clarify I didn’t mean to imply She is devoid. I was trying to state if people are so devoid they need a written law, nothing further than how Christ Himself dealt with Scribes and Pharisees, which by the way is my opinion as to whom the written law was for. Given on stone tablets, not flesh tablets which would reference the heart ( mind of Chris)

thanks for your response.

Personally, I didn't think you meant I was devoid. I have been baptized in the Spirit when I was almost 30 and the Spirit wrote the eternal laws of God on my heart, which are more than the commandments of the Old Covenant (Exodus 34:28), to make me lacking nothing I need to be saved. I actually felt a complete change to my nature take place and I couldn't stop smiling.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I'm not sure how this is in response to my post. What State?

The State that is claiming to be Israel.

Because clearly it is not Israel to any worthy Christian, because if you have faith in Jesus Christ one would know that he is our King.

What the creation of this State is, is a direct insult to Jesus Christ in fact, not to mention a threat to the world, under the power of Rothschild's who created it and his world bank mob, who are bleeding the world dry for their own ends, they worked together and created Communism and the Nazis in fact.
It's just a handful of people who truly control the whole world, they own you ! they own our Governments and our Media.

Look at the USA, it's broke ! bustard arse 3 rate Nation now, how can one justify a Nation like this to be in such a pickle ? well it's been undermined in fact. a Nation as such has no excuse to be in such a position. Australia is in the same duped position.

The USA has everything going for it, but they were being leached dry for years, not to mention the Socialist have been actively bastardising the people from the 1960's on peddling drugs and backwards life styles promoting deviates and greed and a immature malicious demeanour. you name it, the Satanist have been hard at it peddling such on TV the media 24/7 turning the people into mushrooms.

They have worked so hard to set to bastardise genders man and woman against each other and added a whole lot more of just total BS along with it, it's a joke ! they must be rolling around on the ground laughing their guts out at how pathetic the people have become. now they have even made strict Laws concerning such it's totally pathetic ! we are going back to the "Law" making new commandments now in fact. under the Law you are condemned, this is their god ! that they are promoting here nowadays. and they have a idol called Political Correctness that the dictating Nazi types push as a god and many do idolise It as well, with such great zeal and devotion, that I wish only Christians had for Christ Jesus.

 

[CharismaticLady]

The State that is claiming to be Israel.

Because clearly it is not Israel to any worthy Christian, because if you have faith in Jesus Christ one would know that he is our King.

What the creation of this State is, is a direct insult to Jesus Christ in fact, not to mention a threat to the world, under the power of Rothschild's who created it and his world bank mob, who are bleeding the world dry for their own ends, they worked together and created Communism and the Nazis in fact.
It's just a handful of people who truly control the whole world, they own you ! they own our Governments and our Media.

Look at the USA, it's broke ! bustard arse 3 rate Nation now, how can one justify a Nation like this to be in such a pickle ? well it's been undermined in fact. a Nation as such has no excuse to be in such a position. Australia is in the same duped position.

The USA has everything going for it, but they were being leached dry for years, not to mention the Socialist have been actively bastardising the people from the 1960's on peddling drugs and backwards life styles promoting deviates and greed and a immature malicious demeanour. you name it, the Satanist have been hard at it peddling such on TV the media 24/7 turning the people into mushrooms.

They have worked so hard to set to bastardise genders man and woman against each other and added a whole lot more of just total BS along with it, it's a joke ! they must be rolling around on the ground laughing their guts out at how pathetic the people have become. now they have even made strict Laws concerning such it's totally pathetic ! we are going back to the "Law" making new commandments now in fact. under the Law you are condemned, this is their god ! that they are promoting here nowadays. and they have a idol called Political Correctness that the dictating Nazi types push as a god and many do idolise It as well, with such great zeal and devotion, that I wish only Christians had for Christ Jesus.

Well, I don't believe that God has abandoned this State of Israel. That is Replacement Theology. But they are still partially blinded for a couple more years, then all of them in that State will be saved.