Kenosis False Teaching

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ChristisGod

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Not limited from being human, limited for having emptied Himself.

Now He is resurrected and glorified. Now he knows.

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Except empty is not the correct translation for it is misleading. He made Himself nothing by the humility as being EQUAL with God to become a servant in 2:7. Such humility which led to His sufferings and death in 2:8.

Phil 2:5-8
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
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These translation capture the meaning of the text in its CONTEXT.

New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

New Living Translation
Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,

New King James Version
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

King James Bible
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Thayers
namely, τοῦ εἶναι ἴσα Θεῷ or τῆς μορφῆς τοῦ Θεοῦ, i. e. he laid aside equality with or the form of God (said of Christ), Philippians 2:7

Strongs
From kenos; to make empty, i.e. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify -- make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain.

Louw Nida Greek Lexicon
87.70
κενόωb: to completely remove or eliminate elements of high status or rank by eliminating all privileges or prerogatives associated with such status or rank.

What Paul makes very clear in this passage is that in addition to being God, He became man. The Incarnation was not a subtraction of His deity but an addition of humanity to His nature. This passage does not say Jesus gave up His deity but that He laid aside His rights as Deity, assuming the form of a servant in verse 7. The text says He was in the form of God or being in the very nature of God in 2:6. Just as He took upon Himself the "form of a servant" which is a servant by nature, so the "form of God" is God by nature. The word "being" from the phrase: being in the very form of God is a present active participle. This means "continued existence" as God. What Paul is actually saying here is Jesus has always been and still is in the "form of God". If you continue reading the passage Paul really drives this point home so that his readers have no doubt what he is trying to get across to the Philippians. Paul says that every knee will bow and will one day Confess Jesus is LORD. Paul takes the passage in Isaiah 45:23 which clearly refers to Yahweh a name used for God alone and says this of Jesus. The fulfillment of YHWH in Isaiah 45 is none other than Jesus who is God(Yahweh) in the flesh. This is the context and how one should interpret Philippians 2:7.

He self limited His divine prerogatives via the Incarnation as per Phil 2. In other words did not use them to His advantage but was in submission to the Father for 33 years to accomplish our salvation. All the FULLNESS of DEITY dwells in bodily form. Col 1:19;2:9. Jesus was and is fully God lacking nothing in His Deity.

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Even through Christ existed in the form of God He did not regard equality with God something that He needed to reach for or grasp. Why because it was already His and never gave that up for a millisecond.

Paul is using syllogisms from the text in Philippians 2.

Just as the term “form of God” in verse six does not mean “less than God” because of the phrase “equality with God" in the prior passage.

It goes to reason in the same way with the 2 phrases in the “form of a servant” and in the “likeness of man” in verse seven do not mean that Jesus was any “less than human,” but instead means He was the same or “equal with all humans.”

That is how the passage reads and how it is to be understood in its " CONTEXT ".

In Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9 the Apostle Paul said, For in HIM (CHRIST) ALL of the “ fullness of deity dwells bodily. “Did Paul use the word fullness there to mean partially? NO as Jesus did not empty Himself of His Deity. Jesus Divinity is FULL, complete lacking in nothing. The ENTIRE Fullness of Deity dwells (is present) bodily in Jesus.

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Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

question, "What did he lay aside?". his humility?, so he didn't have any humility before? so what was he before?



but this next question I would like anyone to answer. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" WHO is God's equal? and it's not the MIND of God, because your nor my mind is EQUAL ... WITH God. so,
what is EQUAL "WITH", notice it didn't say, "EQUAL.... TO", but WITH God? but now you have a problem, because GOD has no EQUAL, supportive acripture, Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." or this, Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?"

so that MIND like thing LIE is out... dead. because now, right now, many don't have the mind of even Christ... if so why so much "division". as the apostle said, is Christ divided? so that MIND of God thing is just that, a LIE.

NOW, what is bening expressed here? answer, his "NATURE", for he empty himself of his power, but God is still God in NATURE... but without his omin powers. so he took on a nature in likeness of MEN and there and ONLY there did he humbled himself , supportive scripture, Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

so that HUMANITY lie concering Philippians 2:6 is just that a LIE, for his HUMANITY began in verse 8 and not verse 6.

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Agreed Jesus did not empty anything in the Incarnation but added humanity , the Word became flesh. All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him bodily. Colossians 1:19; 2:9. He is God manifest in the flesh, fully God lacking nothing and fully man lacking nothing.

Hence kenosis (emptying Himself) of Divine Attributes is heretical and a false teaching.

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don't need help didn't ask for help.

all Jesus did was restore what is God's to God as far as what was lost at the garden and Jesus also restored the Life that Adam and Eve had which included God's image and likeness, to the faithful. basically He fixed what was broke in the garden and returned to the right hand of Power.
 

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Now we're about to get to to the crust of the LIE concering this Kenosis theory

Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

the FIRST PART of the Scripture.
the term "being" is present tense. and the term "form" here is "NATURE".

now our Lord Jesus have the same NATURE of God. is there any disagreement about that?

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101G

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Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Now the second half of the Scripture,
Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
well God have no EQUAL,and if the Lord Jesus is "EQUAL WITH", (and he is), then that means he is GOD.
now, as I been say the elephant in the room is, how is "God" God, but yet G2758 κενόω kenoo while in flesh.


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don't need help didn't ask for help.

all Jesus did was restore what is God's to God as far as what was lost at the garden and Jesus also restored the Life that Adam and Eve had which included God's image and likeness, to the faithful. basically He fixed what was broke in the garden and returned to the right hand of Power.
Not sure of your point but I do agree with your above statement plus allot more which He accomplished.
 

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I suppose then this means that you do not know any passages that actually teach Jesus' omnipotence and omniscience during His earthly ministry?

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Far from it Mark here you go as there are plenty of passages claiming Jesus Omni Attributes while walking this earth.

As God incarnate, Jesus Christ is omnipotent. His power is seen in the miracles He performed—His numerous healings, the feeding of the five thousand (Mark 6:30-44), calming the storm (Mark 4:37-41), and the ultimate display of power, raising Lazarus and Jairus’s daughter from the dead (John 11:38-44; Mark 5:35-43), an example of His control over life and death. Death is the ultimate reason that Jesus came—to destroy it (1 Corinthians 15:22; Hebrews 2:14) and to bring sinners into a right relationship with God. The Lord Jesus stated clearly that He had power to lay down His life and power to take it up again, a fact that He allegorized when speaking about the temple (John 2:19). He had power to call upon twelve legions of angels to rescue Him during His trial, if needed (Matthew 26:53)

Jesus’ omniscience is just as clear. In many Gospel accounts, He knew the thoughts of his audience (Matthew 9:4; 12:25; Mark 2:6-8; Luke 6:8). He knew about people’s lives before He had even met them. When He met the woman collecting water at the well at Sychar, He said to her, “The fact is you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband” (John 4:18). He also tells His disciples that their friend Lazarus was dead, although He was over 25 miles away from Lazarus’s home (John 11:11-15). He advised the disciples to go and make preparation for the Lord’s Supper, describing the person they were to meet and follow (Mark 14:13-15). Perhaps best of all, He knew Nathanael before ever meeting him, for He knew his heart (John 1:47-48).got?

Jesus omnipresence is seen is His discourse with Nicodemus in John 3 when He said that no one has ascended into heaven except the son of man who is in heaven, John 3:13. This means that Jesus while He was on this earth was simultaneously in heaven while speaking with Nicodemus. Another example was that He knew where Nathaniel was before ever meeting Him and that He saw where he was under the tree while he was praying. Jesus also said where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my Name that He was in their midst. Matthew 18:20. He said ask anything in My Name and I will do it. John 14:14.

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Again, the real issue here is what is the life Christ gives to us?

And what qualifies Jesus as our Perfect Eternal High Priest? Someone who places His hand on God, and places His hand on me?

We are to be imitators of Christ. Does this mean to take up our omni-powers and overcome the world?

Or does this mean to submit ourselves to God, and let His Holy Spirit empower us for the life He wants us to live, and in so doing to overcome the world?

And when Jesus says that He understands our weakness, is it because He simply knows everything, or did He live it, one of us?

Did Jesus come to display Himself in power and glory? Or did He come to serve, in humility and submission?

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As God incarnate, Jesus Christ is omnipotent. His power is seen in the miracles He performed
God works miracles through His people in the spiritual gifts.

Jesus’ omniscience is just as clear. In many Gospel accounts, He knew . . .
One of those spiritual gifts is the word of knowledge, and that God revealed things to Jesus doesn't mean He did not empty Himself, to become reliant on the Father, and instead remained omniscient. And in fact Jesus said that there was something He specifically did not know.

Jesus omnipresence is seen is His discourse with Nicodemus in John 3 when He said that no one has ascended into heaven except the son of man who is in heaven.
God had said that we also are now in heaven, we who have been raised to life with Christ. We share His life.

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another denial of Jesus Divinity.

ye being a man (mark) make yourself out to be god...........................................

yikes to put yourself into the same category as Jesus ( God Incarnate, the 2nd Person of the Trinity) is Blasphemous.

ye are gods..............................
 

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bait n switch..................................
We need to have understanding of the implications of our doctrines, and what they say to us about other things concerning our Christian life.

For instance, the one who believes that future sins require future forgiveness will be living according to a legalist mindset, and may have a very difficult time overcoming sin. The person who believes all sin is forgiven will freely come to God for help, seeing Him as doctor instead of judge.

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This guy came to mind..
walking through the wilderness for 40 days... hungry..
did Jesus know our weaknesses?
What hits a man more than his stomach?
Just saying
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ye being a man (mark) make yourself out to be god...........................................
There's an accusation! Do you really think this is what I think? Or are you saying this to unfairly impugn me?

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marks

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another denial of Jesus Divinity.
And this would be outright and obviously false to anyone who reads my posts.

I suggest giving some serious consideration towards why you feel compelled to address me this way.

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