Philip James
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Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
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Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Peace!
Did you make them, Holy, did God maker them, Holy or is that just mens way of saying, You must listen to me" well we dont have too, we only need Christ cant help it if men dont want Him, but God I have my bible .... and look how smart I am...
jaybird
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and in order to make this work you have to get rid of the whole father son thing because now Jesus is Father and Son.
exactly
Jesus says He is Son of the Most High, never the Most High, cant understand why you guys refuse to acknowledge this.
jaybird
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the Father was in Jesus, i never said different. the Father was in Elijah, we dont think he was the Most High
I do not judge anyone, the Bible does.
John 1:1-14
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God and the Word became flesh.
2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, who confess not Jesus Christ coming in the flesh; this is the deceiver and the antichrist.
If that were so, why does the Bible say that only through Jesus did the Father become known?
"No one has ever seen the Father, but the Son has made Him known"
The Father was with Elijah, but Elijah was never the incarnation of God. He was only a man in whom God was, but Jesus is the flesh of God. The visible image of God for spirit is invisible but flesh is visible.
@jaybird
John 8:24-25
If you do not believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins. Then said they unto him, Who are you?
John 20:29
Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God! Jesus saith unto him, Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!
John 8:24-25
If you do not believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins. Then said they unto him, Who are you?
John 20:29
Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God! Jesus saith unto him, Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!
I think there may be people in certain religious groups who do not believe that Jesus is God in the flesh; maybe because they have been taught that by their elders. But I do think that some of them may well be Christians because God looks at the heart. Perhaps it isn't what we think in our minds that make us Christians but what we hold in our hearts.
Halleluyah.
Isaiah 55:10-11
For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return not thither, except he have watered the earth, and fertilized it, and made it sprout, and given seed to the sower, and bread to him that eateth; so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and perform that for which I sent it.
I expel air from my lungs in order to speak a word.
We are made in God's image.
Father God expels Breath (Holy Spirit) to speak, "Word" (Jesus)
"Father, Holy Spirit, Son,
Israel, our God is one."
He is awesome beyond words.
ChristisGod
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He is not the Father, He is the Son. People abuse that passage in Isaiah to make it mean something it was not intended to mean. Its a statement of Him being eternal, not one of Him being the Father in the Trinity.
Some people it shows lack discernment. And when Jesus tells philip he who has seen Me has seen the Father its a declaration that He is God just as the Father is God. Its a statement of equality.
hope this helps !!!
101G
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to all,
did Jesus himself say that he is the First and the Last? is the First and the Last two separate and distinct persons, or the same person.
let me make myself clear, you say, Jesus is the Word in John 1:1 correct, the Son, and John 1:1 states the Word was "With" God whom you say is the Father correct. two separate and distinct persons correct, Father=God, and Son=Word, in John 1:1 correct. and the Son/Word was "WITH" the Father/God as John 1:1 states.... correct?
ok, good, now this, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
now I ask, is the First, here in Isaiah 41:4 a sepaate and distinct person from the Last? remember as in John 1:1 the term "WITH"
to anyone who want to answer, is the "First and the Last two separate and distinct persons, as in John concering, the Word/Son, "WITH" the Father/God.
will be looking for anyone's answer.... thanks in advance.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
did Jesus himself say that he is the First and the Last? is the First and the Last two separate and distinct persons, or the same person.
let me make myself clear, you say, Jesus is the Word in John 1:1 correct, the Son, and John 1:1 states the Word was "With" God whom you say is the Father correct. two separate and distinct persons correct, Father=God, and Son=Word, in John 1:1 correct. and the Son/Word was "WITH" the Father/God as John 1:1 states.... correct?
ok, good, now this, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
now I ask, is the First, here in Isaiah 41:4 a sepaate and distinct person from the Last? remember as in John 1:1 the term "WITH"
to anyone who want to answer, is the "First and the Last two separate and distinct persons, as in John concering, the Word/Son, "WITH" the Father/God.
will be looking for anyone's answer.... thanks in advance.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
@sho
A whole lot of presumptions in there depending on the definitions of the words of men. God knows all the definitions that each man has in his heart even if the man himself cannot express them so that other men can understand them. Is this also why then that God is the final judge? Who will stand here and judge a person who disagrees with them?
"Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:5-7
A whole lot of presumptions in there depending on the definitions of the words of men. God knows all the definitions that each man has in his heart even if the man himself cannot express them so that other men can understand them. Is this also why then that God is the final judge? Who will stand here and judge a person who disagrees with them?
"Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:5-7
Of course Jesus is the first...
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
He even died before Adam and Eve.
If he were to say, yes, would that alone condemn him before God? If not, why ask it?
"Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matt 7:1-2
101G
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Yes, this is how he is the last too...
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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