Discerning : The Water Cults

[amigo de christo]

Actually, Philippians 2:12 is nicely reiterated in a way that we can understand in 2 Peter 1:10.

Well yes . i was just saying it shorter . SEE , in truth if we are truly HIS , then we have the SPIRIT .
AND that means HE is working in us what is pleasing to HIM . WE , must obey the SPIRIT , and deny that flesh .
It truly is all about the grace of GOD . I mean , i didnt change me . GOD DID .
I Did not put the love of truth into my heart , HE DID .
As paul once said , I laborered more abundantely than them all , YET NOT I , BUT the GRACE OF GOD .
Paul knew . He did . We must simply heed the unctions of the Spirit and not the wicked lusts of the flesh .
The Spirit is our guide , our helper , and give us all we do need . BUT be warned , SIN is deadly and it sure can harden a heart .
Thus if any does err , we correct them . We do the pattern JESUS set . And if we have the SPIRIT it would confirm it right on our heart .
But many follow the flesh and dont realize that is their guide . They have let men drown out all the reminders that were contrary
to their men made teachings . JESUS KNEW and KNOWS how to keep a church safe and thriving . BUT if we dont HEED HE who can keep us
from falling , WELL , expect nothing but TO FALL . You be encouraged my friend .

 

[Charlie24]

Even if you are baptized "because of" remission sins, the Holy Ghost is promised as the result.

And your interpretation that it is "because of" is not necessarily accurate.

"Because of" is the only translation that can possibly be taken from Acts 2:38, unless you think you can change Acts 10 to make it water cult theology as you have Acts 2:38.

If you don't understand that "repent" means instant forgiveness of sins, you have already lost the ball game!

 

[amigo de christo]

By the Spirit The apostels would warn and remind . We must too .
By the Spirit they reminded about reading sound biblical doctrine . We must too .
You see its really the SPIRIT at work amongst the true believers that is doing the unctioning unto the members .
TO BUILD the church UP . Yet today , many say , its not our job to correct , or to give instruction etc .
Wrong they are . For if we truly have the SPIRIT then we too would desire none to perish
We too would be exhorting daily and reminding all about BOTH the Goodness and severity of GOD . About all the reminders
we have written down and recorded for us . We are the body ...........right . whose body . THE BODY OF JESUS .
AND IT IS the SPIRIT of GOD that works among the members . WE would love the pattern for the church that JESUS SET
and later the apostels kept and taught as well . SAME SPIRIT in them , is here today .

 

[justbyfaith]

"Because of" is the only translation that can possibly be taken from Acts 2:38, unless you think you can change Acts 10 to make it water cult theology as you have Acts 2:38.

In Acts 10, it was a time of transition in the church in which Gentiles were not accepted as believers, and would not have been accepted as believers except God do what He did by giving the Holy Spirit to the Gentile converts before they were baptized. Because they were filled with the Holy Spirit, Peter was emboldened to baptize them as converts. Because the circumcision group would have certainly come down hard on him if the Holy Spirit hadn't fallen on them. And Peter feared the circumcision group, even though he was the primary leader of the early church.

If you take Acts of the Apostles 2:38 at face value, as it is given to us in the kjv, and don't change it, you will accept that it teaches that baptism in Jesus' Name is unto the remission of sins. A parallel verse is Acts of the Apostles 22:16.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you don't understand that "repent" means instant forgiveness of sins, you have already lost the ball game!

I haven't lost the ball game...I've been baptized in Jesus' Name.

 

[amigo de christo]

I truly wish folks would not aruge over this water baptism .
The early church KNEW TO DO IT . SO lets just do it .
We can deny JESUS . And not just in mouth either .
But by being a hearer only and not a doer .
My friends its getting late and its high time to return to biblical doctrine and let us learn that pattern .
Lets look at paul . What did paul say about the Faith . Watch this closely .
IF one provides not for his own , specially for those of his own household , HE has DENIED the FAITH and is worse than an infidel .
BE hearers and doers , or as james said , ye deceive your own selves .
Now they made sure to water baptize those converts . SO , WE must as well .
AND yes i know if someone is on there death bed and comes to Christ and cannot be water baptized , THEY SAVED .
cause FAITH IN JESUS is what saved us . But if JESUS said to do and we do not do , WE do not serve CHRIST .

 

[Charlie24]

In Acts 10, it was a time of transition in the church in which Gentiles were not accepted as believers, and would not have been accepted as believers except God do what He did by giving the Holy Spirit to the Gentile converts before they were baptized. Because they were filled with the Holy Spirit, Peter was emboldened to baptize them as converts. Because the circumcision group would have certainly come down hard on him if the Holy Spirit hadn't fallen on them. And Peter feared the circumcision group, even though he was the primary leader of the early church.

If you take Acts of the Apostles 2:38 at face value, as it is given to us in the kjv, and don't change it, you will accept that it teaches that baptism in Jesus' Name is unto the remission of sins. A parallel verse is Acts of the Apostles 22:16.

And here we have the famous slip and slide you throw out to Behold on a regular basis! Well, Charlie is having none of it!

Acts 10 speaks for itself and is in deep controversy with your interpretation of Acts 2:38. You can slip and slide all you want but it's still there and you are the one who has to come to that reality!

Of course you can't come to that reality, you would be wrong, and that ain't gonna happen is it?

 

[amigo de christo]

faith in JESUS saves peroid .
Watch this . Notice what phillip said to the eunach . when the eunach saw water and asked what does HINDER me from being baptized .
And peter said IF IF IF , you BELIEVE with all your heart ye may be baptized .
NO faith in JESUS and that water act is no good . BUT if our faith is in JESUS , BE YE water baptized .

 

[justbyfaith]

And here we have the famous slip and slide you throw out to Behold on a regular basis! Well, Charlie is having none of it!

Acts 10 speaks for itself and is in deep controversy with your interpretation of Acts 2:38. You can slip and slide all you want but it's still there and you are the one who has to come to that reality!

Of course you can't come to that reality, you would be wrong, and that ain't gonna happen is it?

I got the doctrine in question from a teacher at Biola who was teaching a class on the book of Acts.

 

[justbyfaith]

faith in JESUS saves peroid .
Watch this . Notice what phillip said to the eunach . when the eunach saw water and asked what does HINDER me from being baptized .
And peter said IF IF IF , you BELIEVE with all your heart ye may be baptized .
NO faith in JESUS and that water act is no good . BUT if our faith is in JESUS , BE YE water baptized .

Nice.

 

[amigo de christo]

Nice.

Think about it . I admitted i once had dead faith . I was a hearer only and loved sin .
IF our faith is REAL . WE would be hearers and DOERS . WE WOULD be water baptized . IF OUR FAITH IS REAL we would
find the time quick to be water baptized .
FAITH . ITS ALL ABOUT FAITH IN JESUS . BUT dead faith DONTCOUNT . ITS dead .

 

[Charlie24]

I got the doctrine in question from a teacher at Biola who was teaching a class on the book of Acts.

I don't care who you got it from, Acts 10 plainly shows that man is saved instantly by believing the Gospel and receives the indwelling Holy Spirit BEFORE he is water baptized.

 

[amigo de christo]

Let us learn the true biblical JESUS well . Let us learn well all of those letters the apostels wrote and all sound doctrine .
Let us ensure the JESUS we follow IS THE BIBLICAL JESUS and not men who taught us another jesus .
Let us grow in grace . Let our faith be IN JESUS ALONE . Jesus warned us
about he who hears and does not His sayings and HE who hears and does . And the hearers only have NO FOUNDATION .
And will be told I NEVER KNEW YOU .

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't care who you got it from, Acts 10 plainly shows that man is saved instantly by believing the Gospel and receives the indwelling Holy Spirit BEFORE he is water baptized.

YES . they are saved SOLEY by faith in JESUS . AND YES they sure did receive the HOLY GHOST .
FOR peter heard them speak with tongues . And no water was forbid either . THEY were water baptized .
FAITH . FAITH in JESUS would have us to be hearers and doers of HIS sayings . I was a man who lived with dead faith for many years .
I was lost in sin , yet could still claim JESUS only saves . PRAISE GOD for His mercy when HE TRULY drew me to CHRIST
and gave me faith in JESUS and IN JESUS ALONE . A hearer and doer FAITH .

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't care who you got it from, Acts 10 plainly shows that man is saved instantly by believing the Gospel and receives the indwelling Holy Spirit BEFORE he is water baptized.

There were extenuating circumstances so God made an exception in Acts 10 to the rule in Acts 2:38-39.

 

[amigo de christo]

There were extenuating circumstances so God made an exception in Acts 10 to the rule in Acts 2:38-39.

You are loved my friend . but you wont win the argument with that line of reasoning .
I too received the Holy Ghost before i was baptized my friend . It can happen either way my friend . The thing is , We should be water baptized .

 

[Charlie24]

Think about it . I admitted i once had dead faith . I was a hearer only and loved sin .
IF our faith is REAL . WE would be hearers and DOERS . WE WOULD be water baptized . IF OUR FAITH IS REAL we would
find the time quick to be water baptized .
FAITH . ITS ALL ABOUT FAITH IN JESUS . BUT dead faith DONTCOUNT . ITS dead .

YES . they are saved SOLEY by faith in JESUS . AND YES they sure did receive the HOLY GHOST .
FOR peter heard them speak with tongues . And no water was forbid either . THEY were water baptized .
FAITH . FAITH in JESUS would have us to be hearers and doers of HIS sayings . I was a man who lived with dead faith for many years .
I was lost in sin , yet could still claim JESUS only saves . PRAISE GOD for His mercy when HE TRULY drew me to CHRIST
and gave me faith in JESUS and IN JESUS ALONE . A hearer and doer FAITH .

Anyone who believes in the blood of Christ plus anything else as being mandatory for salvation is living a dead faith.

It's NOT ok to believe that the Blood of Christ needs water baptism to be saved!

 

[Charlie24]

There were extenuating circumstances so God made an exception in Acts 10 to the rule in Acts 2:38-39.

The slip and slide, the one exception God made for man! LOL, what chapter and verse of the water cult bible is this found?

 

[justbyfaith]

You are loved my friend . but you wont win the argument with that line of reasoning .
I too received the Holy Ghost before i was baptized my friend . It can happen either way my friend . The thing is , We should be water baptized .

Yes, I also received the Holy Ghost before being water baptized...

What I am contending for is that God can indeed save people with Acts 2:38-39 salvation.

I am saying that if someone doesn't yet have the Holy Ghost, they can receive Him as the direct result of fulfilling the condition of the promise in Acts 2:38-39.

 

[justbyfaith]

The slip and slide, the one exception God made for man! LOL, what chapter and verse of the water cult bible is this found?

It is throughout the context of Acts chapter 10.