Discerning : The Water Cults

[Marymog]

Im here over 6 months, and there is never a day im here, that he is not on my Threads preaching against the Cross, teaching his Gospel of Self effort.
So, after 6+ months, its pretty obvious that the person who defines himself as "this Forum's Pastor" and teaches that water saves, needs help.

Thanks Behold....It has already been well established (by you) that anyone that teaches opposite of YOU needs help. We get it...

 

[Marymog]

What i can do for you and for JBFaith, is rejoice with you both the instant you both can understand that the "cult of the Virgin", is not in line with the Spirit of God.

What is "the cult of the Virgin"?

YOU know what is in line with the Spirit of God???

 

[justbyfaith]

and now, in the last month, he's completely become obsessed with WATER.

No, that has merely been the topic that I have been responding to in this thread. I have also spoken on other topics in other threads, such as Calvinism.

So, after 6+ months, its pretty obvious that the person who defines himself as "this Forum's Pastor" and teaches that water saves, needs help.

2Co 5:13, For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.

Act 26:24, And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.
Act 26:25, But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.

2Ti 1:7, For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

What i can do for you and for JBFaith, is rejoice with you both the instant you both can understand that the "cult of the Virgin", is not in line with the Spirit of God.

Again you misrepresent me. My doctrine does not have my basis in Jehovah's Witnesses, neither in the "cult of the virgin", but in a leaning towards Oneness Pentecostalism.

 

[justbyfaith]

And also, the doctrine of baptism in Jesus' Name is definitely in line with the Spirit of God...

Because the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to all those who would receive that ordinance as an identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection and thus as a confession of Him before men (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).

 

[Behold]

Salvation can be lost (Luke 8:12-13, Romans 11:20-22), if the faith that a person has is nominal, lukewarm, or shallow.

Justbyfaith.... you know that feeling you have when you are arguing frantically against a few of us,.........that feeling you are having that you enjoy?
That's your flesh.
Just so you know, as i know you think its the Holy Spirit.
Its not.

Listen....

Salvation is JESUS.
Jesus can't be "lost".
If you have JESUS< you have SALVATION.
That can't be changed.
Once you are born again, you are always born again.
"Christ IN YOU", can't be changed by your mood swing, or your lifestyle, or your anger or your hatred, or your lack of faith.
You are not saved by faith, and you are not kept saved by faith.
You are saved by the same GOD who keeps you saved, with the Blood of Jesus.

So, as i told you over 6 months ago, and i'll tell you today......

Christ is IN all the born again.....He is IN the Born again. God is in the Born again. We are God's '""temple of the Holy Spirit."
This means that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit, are IN the Born again....."ONE" with them, Spiritually.
The born again are "IN GOD".
See all that?
That is what it means to be "IN CHRIST". = born again.

So, if a born again person's spirit Goes to Hell, as their body is in the Grave or cremated....then God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit would have to go to Hell with them, because the person is "ONE" with God, and Christ and the Holy Spirit.
This does not change since i told you this over 6 months ago.
So, is God going to go to hell?
According to your false theology, He does.

Wake up.

 

[Behold]

And also, the doctrine of baptism in Jesus' Name is definitely in line with the Spirit of God...

Because the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to all those who would receive that ordinance as an identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection and thus as a confession of Him before men.

You receive the HOLY Spirit the instant you are born again.
After that, you should be water baptized.

 

[Marymog]

And, as far as your opinion that "all protestants can believe what they want"...
Well, its true that God gives us a mind and an intellect and we, all people, can believe what we want.

It's not my opinion kiddo. YOU and many other Protestants on this forum have made it VERY CLEAR that you can come to your own truth when you (believe) have been guided by the Holy Spirit. MANY MANY MANY times John 16:13 has been used as proof text for that theory.

Have you ever used John 16:13 to support that theory? Or do you not believe the Holy Spirit is guiding you?

 

[Marymog]

I think that the key to examining what anyone says about scripture is to determine whether they are expounding accurately the meaning of the text (exegeting) or whether they are reading into the text a preconceived notion and doctrine that has been taught to them elsewhere (eisegesis).

Hi JBF,

We are not talking about "anyone". We are talking about students of the Apostles. There was no "reading into the text". It wasn't "doctrine that has been taught to them elsewhere". They heard with their own ears what the Apostles taught and they then wrote it down on paper....well, not paper, but you get what I mean.

So why should I believe what a Protestant man has to say (their interpretation) about Scripture when I can go to a man that lived Scripture?

Curious Mary

 

[justbyfaith]

Justbyfaith.... you know that feeling you have when you are arguing frantically against a few of us,.........that feeling you are having that you enjoy?
That's your flesh.
Just so you know, as i know you think its the Holy Spirit.
Its not.

My meds keep me from feeling that Holy Spirit "high"...I do what I do out of faithfulness to my calling to preach.

"Christ IN YOU", can't be changed by your mood swing, or your lifestyle, or your anger or your hatred, or your lack of faith.
You are not saved by faith, and you are not kept saved by faith.

It is heresy to teach that if someone falls away (Luke 8:12-13, Romans 11:20-22), they will continue to have salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:1-2.

We have access to grace through faith, and we have access to salvation through grace.

No faith, no grace. No grace, no salvation. No faith, no salvation.

You receive the HOLY Spirit the instant you are born again.
After that, you should be water baptized.

Sometimes it happens in the reverse order. The Holy Ghost is absolutely promised as the result of being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39).

 

[Marymog]

Do not take a person as being authoritative over the fact that they are an early church father; they only have apostolic authority if they are actually apostles (and that conglomeration of writings is a closed canon).

Hey JBF<

I am trying to be VERY CLEAR here and maybe I am failing. We are not talking about the early church fathers. We are talking about the Apostolic Fathers who walked and talked with the Apostles. Students of the Apostles. That seems pretty dang "authoritative" to me compared to a Protestant man 1600 years later. The writings of Clement of Rome, who is an Apostolic Father, were consisdered part of the canon in the early church. They held his writings up as Scripture for MANY years. Should I believe what he wrote or the men of the 16th Century wrote?

Mary

 

[justbyfaith]

Hey JBF<

I am trying to be VERY CLEAR here and maybe I am failing. We are not talking about the early church fathers. We are talking about the Apostolic Fathers who walked and talked with the Apostles. Students of the Apostles. That seems pretty dang "authoritative" to me compared to a Protestant man 1600 years later. The writings of Clement of Rome, who is an Apostolic Father, were consisdered part of the canon in the early church. They held his writings up as Scripture for MANY years. Should I believe what he wrote or the men of the 16th Century wrote?

Mary

I'm just inclined to stick with the Bible that I have in my pocket that I read on a daily basis. I don't feel that I need additions that come from second-hand sources as being on a par with the inspired word of God. Anything that is second-hand, I count as being a subject for Berean study.

 

[Charlie24]

You receive the HOLY Spirit the instant you are born again.
After that, you should be water baptized.

You're not standing alone Brother, this water cult theology is ridiculous!

Ephesians 1:13 plainly tells us we receive the Holy Spirit after we believe, not at or after water baptism.

Acts 10:44-48 is proof we receive the Holy Spirit before water baptism.

As far as the Blood being in the water, I have read the scripture from cover to cover over a dozen times, it ain't there! It's water cult theology!

They don't understand that in Acts 10:44-48 they received the Holy Spirit BEFORE water baptism.

Why would it be just the opposite in Acts 2:38, why would they need to be water baptized BEFORE they receive the Holy Spirit?

The answer is because the remission of sins comes the very instant you repent and believe in your heart! Then comes the water baptism as proof of your having believed in Christ, just as it happened in Acts 10.

 

[justbyfaith]

You're not standing alone Brother, this water cult theology is ridiculous!

Ephesians 1:13 plainly tells us we receive the Holy Spirit after we believe, not at or after water baptism.

Acts 10:44-48 is proof we receive the Holy Spirit before water baptism.

As far as the Blood being in the water, I have read the scripture from cover to cover over a dozen times, it ain't there! It's water cult theology!

They don't understand that in Acts 10:44-48 they received the Holy Spirit BEFORE water baptism.

Why would it be just the opposite in Acts 2:38, why would they need to be water baptized BEFORE they receive the Holy Spirit?

The answer is because the remission of sins comes the very instant you repent and believe in your heart! Then comes the water baptism as proof of your having believed in Christ, just as it happened in Acts 10.

Acts of the Apostles 2:38 is a (conditional) promise according to Acts of the Apostles 2:39.

Also, compare Acts of the Apostles 2:39 to Romans 8:30, with special emphasis on the idea of those who are called.

 

[Charlie24]

Acts of the Apostles 2:38 is a (conditional) promise according to Acts of the Apostles 2:39.

Also, compare Acts of the Apostles 2:39 to Romans 8:30, with special emphasis on the idea of those who are called.

What is the call of God JBF? Is it not the hearing of the Gospel as Paul taught? Does not God the Holy Spirit tug at the heart when the Gospel is heard? Those who accept that call are the called of God!

You are mistaken my friend about Acts 2:38! "repent and be baptized 'because of' the remission of sins."

We are baptized "because of" the remission of sins that took place the very second we repented and believed in our hearts!

If you continue to translate Acts 2:38 your way, you will have to change some scripture elsewhere to do it!

 

[justbyfaith]

What is the call of God JBF? Is it not the hearing of the Gospel as Paul taught? Does not God the Holy Spirit tug at the heart when the Gospel is heard? Those who accept that call are the called of God!

You are mistaken my friend about Acts 2:38! "repent and be baptized 'because of' the remission of sins."

We are baptized "because of" the remission of sins that took place the very second we repented and believed in our hearts!

If you continue to translate Acts 2:38 your way, you will have to change some scripture elsewhere to do it!

Even if you are baptized "because of" remission sins, the Holy Ghost is promised as the result.

And your interpretation that it is "because of" is not necessarily accurate.

 

[amigo de christo]

Canon 12. If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, let him be anathema.

Do you see this?
This is the rejection of The Gospel of the Grace of God, as it denies Paul's teaching that Salvation is a Gift and that Righteousness if a Gift.
In other words, its the Catholic Church's 1500 yr old denial of "justification by Faith, without works".

Next.. we have this Catholic lie.

""""At the end of her life, Mary was assumed body and soul into heaven"""""

Next... we have this lie, as Mary was born into this world, exactly as everyone else. With a sin nature, fallen, and needed to be redeemed by the very Blood of Christ, just like you.

"""""Mary, sinless """"""


Next, we have this lie... As Mary is in Heaven. She's not calling anyone to Christ. The Holy Spirit is doing the Calling, along with the Word of God being Preached and delivered by the LIVING who are on the EARTH.

""""""Mary, continues to call sinners to her Son.""""

I say to marymog , yea rather let us see what the BIBLE teaches . cause rome aint truth tellling folks .

 

[justbyfaith]

If you continue to translate Acts 2:38 your way, you will have to change some scripture elsewhere to do it!

The understanding that baptism is not a work deals with any apparent contradictions.

 

[amigo de christo]

work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Simply means OBEY CHRIST . Heed the Spirit . I used to have dead faith .
YES i knew about the gospel . YES i could even say that JESUS does save .
But my heart was far from HIM . MY works proved i knew only sin and death and followed only the flesh and satan .
FAITH SAVES . but if it has not works , ITS DEAD as can be . AND i know what i speak about to you all .
I once lived in sin and my works were abominable unto GOD , yet i could say , JESUS saves . YET my faith WAS NOT TRUE .
IN works I DENIED GOD . They were abominable and evil . I followed the flesh , NOT JESUS .
And thus i was dead , dead in my sins and i did not have true faith . I hope that helps .

 

[amigo de christo]

We must hold our confidence IN HIM firm till the end .
And if any be a man like i once was whose faith was dead , You are in grave danger .
LEARN the bible . FOR when we truly encounter JESUS , when we are truly born again
our works are gonna prove it .

 

[justbyfaith]

Simply means OBEY CHRIST .

Actually, Philippians 2:12 is nicely reiterated in a way that we can understand in 2 Peter 1:10.