Once Saved Always Saved

[kcnalp]

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
and what your posting is not? lol you got issues. i am ordained gen Baptist and i have preacher bro who are southern Baptist. we get along just fine see the name tag dont concern me at all your peeing into the wind have a good night. please dont lose your salvation over night

2 Peter 1
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
every thing in your post is about YOU you you

do you not realize we have a advocate.
{ Of course, He is Jesus, the Son of God, my Savior!} that is the closet to truth you have yet to post ! WHAT IS eternal life? something that expires...

And those Scriptures are true for all who follow Jesus. Not for those who fall away!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Being cleansed by the blood of Jesus is a continual process according to the Greek verb tense in 1 John 1:7...."He continually cleanseth us from all sin."

This comes as the result of walking in the light as He is in the light (again, 1 John 1:7).

If we cease to walk in the light, it should be clear that the blood of Jesus will cease to cleanse us from all sin; and therefore it will not keep us saved in such a situation as that.

Plus....ya gotta Repent...right? Right.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

This is exactly what Paul was talking about in Romans 11:20-22. He's talking to those who 'stand by faith', which you say you are, so it's directed to you. I don't see the humility and fear that Paul says you who stand by faith are to have. I see in you the very thing he says not to be—arrogant. You're talking down to those you consider lost. You reek with arrogance and pride over those you consider lost. The very thing Paul said not to be in regard to the lost Israelites. Where's your humility? Where's your fear? Where's your diligence? Where's your vigilance? The description of your life doesn't match at all with what the Bible says we are to be.

...you don’t know the half of it.....I thank God for His Grace...I am so bored with this thread I’m gonna find another one — perhaps I can find out if getting a tattoo is the Unpardonable Son or something....you guys have fun continuing to go around in circles.....I’ll even take the risk that you will now say that I am leaving this thread because you got the best of me....you finally exposed me, I have no answers for your Accusations.....blah....blah .... blah....
Words just can’t express how uninterested I am in all this endless blather....?Think what you like...I’m just too damned bored to respond anymore......

Now......is it a sin to get a tattoo?

 

[JunChosen]

Now you're saying OSASers can be unsaved? Good for you!

Not in this life or at any other time!

Can you admit that Jesus believing NON OSASers are saved without believing OSAS? I doubt that you can.

You bet. Before salvation we were ALL (no exception) unsaved and sinners!!!

Yeah, like "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"!

The word "fear" here actually is translated as "reverence."

OSAS is a lie!

To you yes because you have no inkling as to what it really means. Well here is a lesson for all you non-osasaers:

In eternity past before the foundation of the world, God predestined, elected, called, and chosen all those He desired to become saved... Ephesians 1:4-6.

To fulfill the above the Father sent His only Son to earth to redeem the sins of all those He desired to save... Matthew 1:21

Jesus said: No man can come to me unless the Father "draw" him and all that the Father gives me I will lose none of them John... 6:37; 44.

To top it all off, Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said: "There's none righteous no, not one; there's none that seeks after God." Romans 3:10-11

So if none seeks after God, who then can be saved? None, Zilch, Nada, Zero!

Shall I continue? Perhaps not. I think you got the gist with this short study.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Charlie24]

Not in this life or at any other time!



You bet. Before salvation we were ALL (no exception) unsaved and sinners!!!



The word "fear" here actually is translated as "reverence."



To you yes because you have no inkling as to what it really means. Well here is a lesson for all you non-osasaers:

In eternity past before the foundation of the world, God predestined, elected, called, and chosen all those He desired to become saved... Ephesians 1:4-6.

To fulfill the above the Father sent His only Son to earth to redeem the sins of all those He desired to save... Matthew 1:21

Jesus said: No man can come to me unless the Father "draw" him and all that the Father gives me I will lose none of them John... 6:37; 44.

To top it all off, Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said: "There's none righteous no, not one; there's none that seeks after God." Romans 3:10-11

So if none seeks after God, who then can be saved? None, Zilch, Nada, Zero!

Shall I continue? Perhaps not. I think you got the gist with this short study.

To God Be The Glory

Your name can be taken out of the Book of Life! We had better keep our eyes on Christ and let nothing take our crown.

Rev. 3:15

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

It wouldn't be written is were not possible!

 

[JunChosen]

Your name can be taken out of the Book of Life! We had better keep our eyes on Christ and let nothing take our crown.

There are two Books of Life, which book are you referring to that one's name can be removed?

Rev. 3:15

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

It wouldn't be written is were not possible!

Who is it that overcame?

To God Be The Glory

 

[Addy]

and the beat goes on....and on....and ON.
very similar to the song that never ends... it goes on and on and then...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

how can you have faith in a hope that is not assured?

Or, to put it this way, how can you trust in something you don't know is true? That's why God first makes the unseen known so we can then trust in it and be saved.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

and the beat goes on....and on....and ON.
very similar to the song that never ends... it goes on and on and then...

I wish the church would just do what the Bible says to do and let this osas thing go.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Its just a phrase made up by some heretic who is a legalist and does not trust in Christ to keep them saved.

That's called continuing in faith. You have to continue to trust Christ to keep you saved.

 

[Addy]

I wish the church would just do what the Bible says to do and let this osas thing go.

LOL... You are obviously not a fan of eternal security.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You teach that a person has to be in active maintenance of their believing, that is, your claim, "you have to keep believing to keep saved".

This is directly in opposition to the teaching of the Bible.

...let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life. 1 John 2:24-25​

You can argue all you want that it's a given that a believer will always let the word of God remain in them, and so remain in the Son and the Father and the promise of eternal life. The point is, you have to let the word of God remain in you to remain saved. Stop focusing on the osas vs. non osas nonsense and focus on the necessity to let the word of God remain in you. That's not in dispute. That's what we need to be telling people. But instead we focus on the stupid osas/non osas argument.

 

[Addy]

But instead we focus on the stupid osas/non osas argument.

We focus on this because there are those who are believing that their salvation hinges on themselves and their "works" of "remaining saved".

People do not understand that God hates being mis-represented... and as you suggest... they seem to enjoy ARGUING their cases.

In the end... every FALSE doctrine and word spoken AGAINST the true nature of God will be harshly judged.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

LOL... You are obviously not a fan of eternal security.

Hmm....gonna bash the ongoing drum beat of the osas/ non osas argument and then turn right around and keep it going?

Just so you know, non osas says the believing person is eternally secure in Christ. They say as long as you stay in Christ you are in the place that is eternally secure far from any failure of an inept priest or an inadequate sacrifice or an inappropriate covenant to cause you to not be secure in salvation. But let's focus on the important thing.....keep believing.

 

[Wrangler]

Oh? So God just throws away his cherished children? Whom he purchased with his sons blood?

wow

If the above were true, then universalism is correct doctrine. What’s precious are not those who call Jesus Lord but actually do the will of God.

It is for these fruit bearing vines that the Son of God’s blood was spilled - and no one else. This is the Elect.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

We focus on this because there are those who are believing that their salvation hinges on themselves and their "works" of "remaining saved".

And then there are those who believe that the free gift of salvation is not gained and kept by works, but by trusting in it. And that is what the Bible tells us to do and which is not in dispute—keep believing. For if you do you will remain in the Son the Father and the promise of eternal life. The exhortation in the Bible to keep believing is not in dispute, but for some reason we don't encourage each other in that preferring instead to argue the meaningless osas vs. non osas debate.

 

[Addy]

Well... I believe that my salvation is a GIFT given to me by CHRIST... Gifts do not get removed. This allows me the FREEDOM to tend to the business of life and it's challenges with full assurance that I am COVERED by the BLOOD. This gift of salvation was given to me at the time of my conversion and has NOTHING to do with me. Very simple.. but sadly....many do not understand this. Perhaps it is the simplicity of it all that OFFENDS many.

 

[Wrangler]

We focus on this because there are those who are believing that their salvation hinges on themselves and their "works" of "remaining saved".

People do not understand that God hates being mis-represented... and as you suggest... they seem to enjoy ARGUING their cases.

In the end... every FALSE doctrine and word spoken AGAINST the true nature of God will be harshly judged.

It is not God but your disregard for Scripture, which is false doctrine. See Matthew 7:21. See Parable of 3 Servants. See salt losing flavor. See vine who don’t bear fruit thrown into fire. See James, a faith without works is dead.

As John Wesley noted, we are not saved by works but faith is NEVER alone. The idea that the HS enters our life through acceptance of Jesus sacrifice for our lives - and our lives are not transformed in advancing the Great Commision - is preposterous.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Well... I believe that my salvation is a GIFT given to me by CHRIST... Gifts do not get removed. This allows me the FREEDOM to tend to the business of life and it's challenges with full assurance that I am COVERED by the BLOOD. This gift of salvation was given to me at the time of my conversion and has NOTHING to do with me. Very simple.. but sadly....many do not understand this. Perhaps it is the simplicity of it all that OFFENDS many.

Just continue to believe. That's what counts. That's what the Bible tells us to do. That's pretty simple. That's what you're supposed to do.

 

[Addy]

It is not God but your disregard for Scripture, which is false doctrine.

I rest in the fact that we will ALL be held accountable for what we believe. Denying the supernatural event that occurs at the time of a Christian's conversion is not the BLOOD that I desire on my hands.