Wrangler
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You forgot to complete the analysis. God and we are in one Spirit per John 17:22. Proving we too are God OR Jesus is not God.
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You forgot to complete the analysis. God and we are in one Spirit per John 17:22. Proving we too are God OR Jesus is not God.
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110 A Psalm of David. Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 Jehovah will send forth the rod of thy strength out of Zion: Rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people offer themselves willingly In the day of thy power, in holy array: Out of the womb of the morning Thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 Jehovah hath sworn, and will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand Will strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He will judge among the nations, He will fill [the places] with dead bodies; He will strike through the head in many countries.
7 He will drink of the brook in the way: Therefore will he lift up the head.
Translators tried to hide God's Name by removing it, then inserting LORD
LORD is Jehovah. The small Lord is Jesus. Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Another one is (Rev 1:8) Not only did they remove God's Name but also remove God from it too. Notice JESUS is not even in (Rev 1:8)
Here's the King James 400th anniversary that put God's Name back into the scriptures. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD (God Jehovah Isa 44:6; Gen 17:1; Exo 6:3 ), which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." The Divine Name King James Bible Revelation 1
Notice LORD... is Jehovah God... Who is the one person that would want God and God's Name removed from the Bible??
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Being one with the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ means that we are in harmony with him, not we are GOD.
Wrangler
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The only mystery is the Godhead does not exist in Scripture but people talk as if it does.
The Godhead can be fully understood, it's only a mystery to unbelievers. Those authorized to speak in behalf of Jehovah God are part of the Godhead. Not God himself but a messenger of God. ie...Word of God
Who was that person Moses was speaking to at the burning bush? "Then Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire in the midst of a thornbush. As he kept looking, he saw that the thornbush was on fire, and yet the thornbush was not consumed." (Exodus 3:2)
And I saw another strong angel descending from heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow was on his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs were like pillars of fire, (Rev 10:1)
After this I saw another angel descending from heaven with great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his glory. (Rev 18:1)
Then Jesus spoke again to them, saying: “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will by no means walk in darkness, but will possess the light of life.” (John 8:12)
Who was that person Moses was speaking to at the burning bush? "Then Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire in the midst of a thornbush. As he kept looking, he saw that the thornbush was on fire, and yet the thornbush was not consumed." (Exodus 3:2)
And I saw another strong angel descending from heaven, arrayed with a cloud, and a rainbow was on his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs were like pillars of fire, (Rev 10:1)
After this I saw another angel descending from heaven with great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his glory. (Rev 18:1)
Then Jesus spoke again to them, saying: “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will by no means walk in darkness, but will possess the light of life.” (John 8:12)
NayborBear
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Shall we try and "establish" some kind of "timeline?" Not so much for arguments sake, although this has been cussed and discussed for millennia.
But, for the sake of a clarity of understanding.
And? It may come off as so much babble as this also has been going on for millennia.
The verse ya quoted here, Matthew 28:18 was when the Resurrected Christ became the 2nd person, if you will, of the Godhead!
And it wasn't UNTIL Christ ascended back to heaven, taking His Proper place at the right side of His Father on the throne!
And THEN? After a period of time of counselings with each other?
The Holy Spirit was SENT! AS A GIFT! To those who BELIEVED Jesus IS/was who He said He was/IS!
This GIFT, is what is seen AS the 3rd person, by some, (which is not REALLY a person) of that which is called "The TRIUNE GODHEAD!"
The "reason" it is mistakenly called "a person?" Is because BOTH the Father AND the Son, have TOTAL CONTROL over (how can I say) WHO gets How MUCH of and WHAT, any particular believer receives, at any given time, or even moment, in some instances! (Congruent with the parable of the talents AND the parable of the sower, and the "earnestness of coveting")
It is "romanticism" from the believer that conflates THAT which is not to be conflated that causes this "VANITY and vexation of Spirit DENOMINATIONALISM/S!" (cessesationalism, pentecostalism, raptureism, catholoism, etc. etc)
Anyways, I digress (happens from time to time
).....But, up until Jesus' ascension from this earth unto His Rightful place AT the Father's throne? T'was the Father AND GOD "Giving/Telling" what words to come from his Jesus' mouth using Jesus' voice!
EVERY BIT in the SAME manner as the believer is to SPEAK that which the Holy Spirit GIVES/TELLS the believer to say, WHEN he/she is BROUGHT BEFORE the synagogue of satan!
Which is why in many of the letters and epistles in the N.T. you shall see this!:
Romans 1
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
James 1
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ......
Galatians 1
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but BY Jesus Christ, AND God the Father, WHO raised him from the dead
Ephesians 1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the WILL of God......
1 John 1:
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is WITH the Father, and WITH his Son Jesus Christ.
Paul was right yanno? As can be seen here these ones were able to "Spiritually Discern" the difference/s!
Wrangler
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Wrangler
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Right. Same with Jesus. In harmony with God but not God. That’s what John 17:22 means.
Both Peter and Paul understood. When Jesus was with his disciples, he asked them who are the people saying the Son of man is? When they answered giving him a various of incorrect answers, He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” (ego eimi) Matthew 16:15
Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:16) Jesus then commends Peter for the correct and accurate answer by responding to him “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did.” (Matthew 16:17)
Peter was not the only one that properly identifies the (ego eimi) but the Apostle Paul also identifies about the one who stood by him. The Apostle Paul also gives witness about the ego'eimi . "For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve," (Acts 27:23)
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We've been here already! As I mentioned previously, you are getting confused between Lord and LORD. LORD is a representation (hiding!) of God's name, so quoting a better translation (WEB) it becomes:
Deuteronomy 4:35) It was shown to you so that you might know that Yahweh is God. There is no one else besides him.
Likewise verse 39:
Deuteronomy 4:39) Know therefore today, and take it to heart, that Yahweh himself is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath. There is no one else.
More carelessness. It's Psalm 100, not 110.
Psalm 100:3) Know that Yahweh, he is God. It is he who has made us, and we are his. We are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
Why don't you reference the verses - are you trying to make it difficult for others to follow? Same confusion again:
Psalm 118:27) Yahweh is God, and he has given us light. Bind the sacrifice with cords, even to the horns of the altar.
Psalm 144:15) Happy are the people who are in such a situation. Happy are the people whose God is Yahweh.
Same confusion again:
(Deu 6:4) Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God. Yahweh is one.
No, it's confusion over the Scriptures because the translators chose to use the word Lord, but capitalised, instead of leaving God's name unchanged. Confusion due to the traditions of men which have obsured the true meaing of God's word.
Jesus is our Lord and Master, Yahweh is our God and heavenly Father, and Yahweh is Jesus' Father and God. That is much simpler and easier to understand than the confusion of the Trinity doctrine!
(1Co 8:6) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
The Son is "The begotten God" -Jehovahite declaration.
Ok then: The begotten God. The begotten God of God. The God that is begotten of God.
So, Jesus is the name of the God begotten of God the Spirit, Who overshadowed Mary to bring forth His only begotten Son, the only begotten God, upon the earth.
This is truly that begotten God promised of old: The truly begotten God Jesus Christ, Who came down from heaven upon the earth to become the begotten Bread of Life to them that believe. (John 3 & 6) The same God that came down upon the mount to establish the First Covenant, before He became the truly begotten God upon earth to establish the New. (Exodus 19)
Jesus is the name of that begotten God, Who was truly begotten of God, that He might redeem His people for God.
He is the true God begotten of God. (1 John 5) (Unless of course, 'The begotten God' is not true.)
The truly begotten God, not created by God, but only begotten of God.
And herein is the Scripture fulfilled that "the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath." (Deut 4)
The true God was God in heaven from everlasting and then became the true God begotten of God upon the earth: Jesus.
And herein is the prophesy of Job fulfilled: "I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God." (Job 19)
Job by faith knew that he would be resurrected to see the truly begotten God, Jesus Christ our Redeemer, stand upon the earth in the latter day...
Sounds good to me. All fits with Scripture.
This is why I have changed my mind about the kings of Jehovatopia, that they should not go away after all. I have never in my Christian life been more thoroughly convinced and persuaded by Scripture, that Jesus is indeed the true God begotten of God upon the earth by His Spirit, and will stand upon the earth again as the resurrected true God and Savior with all His saints in the latter day. I had pretty much just taken it all for granted and as a given, but now I know it by Scripture.
(I would tell them thanks, but I know they are not here to help our faith, but to destroy it. Nevertheless, all things work to the good to them that love the truly begotten God Jesus...)
Ok then: The begotten God. The begotten God of God. The God that is begotten of God.
So, Jesus is the name of the God begotten of God the Spirit, Who overshadowed Mary to bring forth His only begotten Son, the only begotten God, upon the earth.
This is truly that begotten God promised of old: The truly begotten God Jesus Christ, Who came down from heaven upon the earth to become the begotten Bread of Life to them that believe. (John 3 & 6) The same God that came down upon the mount to establish the First Covenant, before He became the truly begotten God upon earth to establish the New. (Exodus 19)
Jesus is the name of that begotten God, Who was truly begotten of God, that He might redeem His people for God.
He is the true God begotten of God. (1 John 5) (Unless of course, 'The begotten God' is not true.)
The truly begotten God, not created by God, but only begotten of God.
And herein is the Scripture fulfilled that "the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath." (Deut 4)
The true God was God in heaven from everlasting and then became the true God begotten of God upon the earth: Jesus.
And herein is the prophesy of Job fulfilled: "I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God." (Job 19)
Job by faith knew that he would be resurrected to see the truly begotten God, Jesus Christ our Redeemer, stand upon the earth in the latter day...
Sounds good to me. All fits with Scripture.
This is why I have changed my mind about the kings of Jehovatopia, that they should not go away after all. I have never in my Christian life been more thoroughly convinced and persuaded by Scripture, that Jesus is indeed the true God begotten of God upon the earth by His Spirit, and will stand upon the earth again as the resurrected true God and Savior with all His saints in the latter day. I had pretty much just taken it all for granted and as a given, but now I know it by Scripture.
(I would tell them thanks, but I know they are not here to help our faith, but to destroy it. Nevertheless, all things work to the good to them that love the truly begotten God Jesus...
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Numbers 15:41
I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt in order to prove myself your God. I am Jehovah your God.’”
Exodus 29:46
And they will certainly know that I am Jehovah their God, who brought them out of the land of Egypt so that I may reside among them. I am Jehovah their God.
Malachi 3:6
“For I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.
Exodus 6:2
Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah.
Isaiah 43:11
I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
Ezekiel 30:19
I will execute judgment on Egypt, and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’”
Ezekiel 25:11
And I will execute judgment in Moʹab, and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
Leviticus 18:2
“Speak to the Israelites and say to them, ‘I am Jehovah your God.
Ezekiel 39:22
From that day on the house of Israel will have to know that I am Jehovah their God.
Ezekiel 22:16
And you will be dishonored before the nations, and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.’”
Isaiah 43:15
I am Jehovah, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King.”
Jeremiah 32:27
“Here I am, Jehovah, the God of all mankind. Is there anything too wonderful for me?
Ezekiel 26:6
And her settlements in the countryside will be slaughtered by the sword, and people will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
Ezekiel 6:7
And those slain will fall in your midst, and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 22:31
“You must keep my commandments and carry them out. I am Jehovah.
Ezekiel 16:62
“‘And I myself will establish my covenant with you; and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.
Ezekiel 12:20
The inhabited cities will be devastated, and the land will become a wasteland; and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.”’”
Ezekiel 6:10
They will have to know that I am Jehovah and that my threats to bring this calamity on them were not empty.”’
Leviticus 22:30
It should be eaten on that day. You must not leave any of it until morning. I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 20:7
“‘You must sanctify yourselves and become holy, because I am Jehovah your God.
Leviticus 26:2
You should keep my sabbaths and show reverence for my sanctuary. I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 22:33
the one bringing you out of the land of Egypt to prove myself God to you. I am Jehovah.”
Ezekiel 30:8
And they will have to know that I am Jehovah when I set a fire in Egypt and all its allies are crushed.
Ezekiel 30:26
And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them among the lands, and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’”
Ezekiel 11:10
You will fall by the sword. I will judge you at the border of Israel, and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.
Ezekiel 35:9
I will make you a perpetual desolation, and your cities will not be inhabited; and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
Exodus 6:29
Jehovah told Moses: “I am Jehovah. Speak to Pharʹaoh, king of Egypt, everything I am speaking to you.”
Deuteronomy 5:6
“‘I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
Exodus 20:2
“I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
Leviticus 19:30
“‘You must keep my sabbaths, and you must show reverence for my sanctuary. I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 19:4
Do not turn to worthless gods or make for yourselves gods of cast metal. I am Jehovah your God.
Leviticus 21:15
He should not profane his offspring among his people, for I am Jehovah, who is sanctifying him.’”
Leviticus 19:12
You must not swear to a lie in my name and thus profane the name of your God. I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 20:8
And you must keep my statutes and carry them out. I am Jehovah, who is sanctifying you.
Ezekiel 35:4
I will turn your cities into ruins, and you will become a desolate wasteland; and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 22:16
and cause them to incur punishment for their guilt because of eating their holy things; for I am Jehovah, who is sanctifying them.’”
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Numbers 15:41
I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt in order to prove myself your God. I am Jehovah your God.’”
Exodus 29:46
And they will certainly know that I am Jehovah their God, who brought them out of the land of Egypt so that I may reside among them. I am Jehovah their God.
Malachi 3:6
“For I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.
Exodus 6:2
Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah.
Isaiah 43:11
I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
Ezekiel 30:19
I will execute judgment on Egypt, and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’”
Ezekiel 25:11
And I will execute judgment in Moʹab, and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
Leviticus 18:2
“Speak to the Israelites and say to them, ‘I am Jehovah your God.
Ezekiel 39:22
From that day on the house of Israel will have to know that I am Jehovah their God.
Ezekiel 22:16
And you will be dishonored before the nations, and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.’”
Isaiah 43:15
I am Jehovah, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King.”
Jeremiah 32:27
“Here I am, Jehovah, the God of all mankind. Is there anything too wonderful for me?
Ezekiel 26:6
And her settlements in the countryside will be slaughtered by the sword, and people will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
Ezekiel 6:7
And those slain will fall in your midst, and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 22:31
“You must keep my commandments and carry them out. I am Jehovah.
Ezekiel 16:62
“‘And I myself will establish my covenant with you; and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.
Ezekiel 12:20
The inhabited cities will be devastated, and the land will become a wasteland; and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.”’”
Ezekiel 6:10
They will have to know that I am Jehovah and that my threats to bring this calamity on them were not empty.”’
Leviticus 22:30
It should be eaten on that day. You must not leave any of it until morning. I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 20:7
“‘You must sanctify yourselves and become holy, because I am Jehovah your God.
Leviticus 26:2
You should keep my sabbaths and show reverence for my sanctuary. I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 22:33
the one bringing you out of the land of Egypt to prove myself God to you. I am Jehovah.”
Ezekiel 30:8
And they will have to know that I am Jehovah when I set a fire in Egypt and all its allies are crushed.
Ezekiel 30:26
And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them among the lands, and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’”
Ezekiel 11:10
You will fall by the sword. I will judge you at the border of Israel, and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.
Ezekiel 35:9
I will make you a perpetual desolation, and your cities will not be inhabited; and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
Exodus 6:29
Jehovah told Moses: “I am Jehovah. Speak to Pharʹaoh, king of Egypt, everything I am speaking to you.”
Deuteronomy 5:6
“‘I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
Exodus 20:2
“I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
Leviticus 19:30
“‘You must keep my sabbaths, and you must show reverence for my sanctuary. I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 19:4
Do not turn to worthless gods or make for yourselves gods of cast metal. I am Jehovah your God.
Leviticus 21:15
He should not profane his offspring among his people, for I am Jehovah, who is sanctifying him.’”
Leviticus 19:12
You must not swear to a lie in my name and thus profane the name of your God. I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 20:8
And you must keep my statutes and carry them out. I am Jehovah, who is sanctifying you.
Ezekiel 35:4
I will turn your cities into ruins, and you will become a desolate wasteland; and you will have to know that I am Jehovah.
Leviticus 22:16
and cause them to incur punishment for their guilt because of eating their holy things; for I am Jehovah, who is sanctifying them.’”
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Thanks Robert, you don't have to prove Jesus was God, by definition he performed miracles of nature which makes him a God. He walked on water, etc. That makes him super human and a God. And he was the son of God the Father, which also makes him a God.
The Son is "The begotten God" -Jehovahite declaration.
Ok then: The begotten God. The begotten God of God. The God that is begotten of God.
So, Jesus is the name of the God begotten of God the Spirit, Who overshadowed Mary to bring forth His only begotten Son, the only begotten God, upon the earth.
This is truly that begotten God promised of old: The truly begotten God Jesus Christ, Who came down from heaven upon the earth to become the begotten Bread of Life to them that believe. (John 3 & 6) The same God that came down upon the mount to establish the First Covenant, before He became the truly begotten God upon earth to establish the New. (Exodus 19)
Jesus is the name of that begotten God, Who was truly begotten of God, that He might redeem His people for God.
He is the true God begotten of God. (1 John 5) (Unless of course, 'The begotten God' is not true.)
The truly begotten God, not created by God, but only begotten of God.
And herein is the Scripture fulfilled that "the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath." (Deut 4)
The true God was God in heaven from everlasting and then became the true God begotten of God upon the earth: Jesus.
And herein is the prophesy of Job fulfilled: "I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God." (Job 19)
Job by faith knew that he would be resurrected to see the truly begotten God, Jesus Christ our Redeemer, stand upon the earth in the latter day...
Sounds good to me. All fits with Scripture.
This is why I have changed my mind about the kings of Jehovatopia, that they should not go away after all. I have never in my Christian life been more thoroughly convinced and persuaded by Scripture, that Jesus is indeed the true God begotten of God upon the earth by His Spirit, and will stand upon the earth again as the resurrected true God and Savior with all His saints in the latter day. I had pretty much just taken it all for granted and as a given, but now I know it by Scripture.
(I would tell them thanks, but I know they are not here to help our faith, but to destroy it. Nevertheless, all things work to the good to them that love the truly begotten God Jesus...
Yep, You're getting it. Now, why did the trinitarian translators remove GOD from the Bible in John 1:18? To hide the Begotten God because he was begotten, firstborn and had a Beginning. John 3:16 Colossians 1:15 John 1:1
However, the Bible clearly states:
Joshua 22:22
“The God of gods, Jehovah! The God of gods, Jehovah! He knows, and Israel will also know. If we were rebellious and unfaithful to Jehovah, do not spare us this day.
Deuteronomy 7:9
You well know that Jehovah your God is the true God, the faithful God, keeping his covenant and loyal love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.
Even Jesus calls His Father the Only True God in (John 17:3) Why don't trinitarians believe Jesus??
Wrangler
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It’s amazing how you recite this nonsense not in Scripture. What does it mean ‘Today I am your Father?’ It means Jesus - like all of us later - are chosen children of God, adopted, not God of God.
So that presumably, according to your reasoning, makes the Apostles Gods too, for they also healed people, and brought people back from death.
John 14:12 (WEB):
Most certainly I tell you, he who believes in me, the works that I do, he will do also; and he will do greater works than these, because I am going to my Father.
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Did he? I think he fell into the waters after receiving power from Jesus and failing in faith didn't he.
You really have some good insight. Here's another good one. For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? (Hebrews 1:5)
Answer: So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” (Hebrews 5:5)
“In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the Angel of his presence saved them" (Isaiah 63:9 ASV)
Answer: So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” (Hebrews 5:5)
“In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the Angel of his presence saved them" (Isaiah 63:9 ASV)
Don't be silly, they knew they weren't God and gave glory to God. Let me ask you this, can you predict the future as if you have a time machine? No you can't but God can. He may share it with you but probably not with that assessment. Jesus told people he was God after performing miracles, the apostles were performing miracles only because the spirit of God worked them when they asked, do you see the difference? Come on man.
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