Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

GRACE ambassador said:

NO Jesus, NO peace!
KNOW JESUS, KNOW PEACE!!
Open your mind, and humble your heart to: God's Simple Will


NOT likely! Let's check, with honesty, your obedience?:

(1) Do YOU "do THE WORKS {And GREATER works},
that JESUS Did"?:

John_14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth
on ME, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater
works than these shall he do; because I go unto MY Father."

Why not?
a) This BIBLE Verse IS NOT true?
b) This BIBLE Verse IS True, but you don't believe on HIM?
c) This BIBLE Verse IS True, you do believe on HIM, but you're
Confused {like Many!} about WHY it doesn't "work for you"?

(2) Be perfect = SELL EVERYTHING! NO!? What are you WAITING for?:

Mat_19:21 "JESUS Said unto him, If thou wilt be PERFECT, go and
SELL that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have
treasure in heaven: and come and FOLLOW ME."

Why not?
a) This BIBLE Verse IS NOT true?
b) This BIBLE Verse IS True, but you don't believe/FOLLOW HIM?
c) This BIBLE Verse IS True, you do believe on HIM, but you're
Confused {like Many!} about WHY it "can't Really LITERALLY
Mean What JESUS Said"? False teachers saying IT REALLY MEANS
"you HAVE TO BE WILLING to do What JESUS Said!"

The TWELVE, with POWER, LITERALLY obeyed What JESUS Said,
Correct?:

Act 2:43 "And fear came upon every soul: and Many wonders and
SIGNS were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And ALL that believed were together, and had all things
common;
Act 2:45 And SOLD their possessions and goods, and parted them
to all men, as every man had need." {CP Acts_4:32-37 KJB!)

Again, what are you waiting for?

(3) SIGNS following believers? NO!?:
Healing EVERYONE? NO!? Have you "laid hands on the sick" and
cleaned out one hospital yet? Or, do you {SOLD EVERYTHING?}/church
spend YOUR $+ ALL others who SOLD?} million$ "building them" for THE SICK?:

Mar 16:17 "And these SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW them that believe;
In My Name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing,
it shall not hurt them; they Shall lay hands on the sick, and they
Shall RECOVER."

Why not?
a) These BIBLE Verses are NOT true?
b) These BIBLE Verses are True, but you don't believe on HIM?
c) These BIBLE Verses are True, you do believe on HIM, but you're
Confused {like Many!} about WHY "these SIGNS DON'T follow you"?

IF you "say you BELIEVE," but then don't OBEY Christ, and "DO the works that
Peter, the apostles, AND have THE SAME power THEY ALL Demonstrated,"
wouldn't that mean?:

James_2:17 "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is DEAD, being alone."

Precious friend, Eternally Grateful and I both implore and
beseech YOU, please be humble and find out What God
IS DOING Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE!
(Romans-Philemon KJB!) Ok?

God's Simple Will
GRACE Word for infirmities

Be Blessed!

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these refer to his church in general the communion of saints

God worked (for only God can work miracles) many miracles thru Saint Francis Paola at least 7 everyday many simply by the sign of the cross, in the name of the father, and of the son and of the Holy Spirit!

faith of our fathers holy faith

Christ and his church are One acts 9:4

only those in the church, the body of Christ, the new covenant, by faith and baptism Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 are United to Christ the head!


1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

theefaith said:

Christ and the Holy Spirit
Matt 28:19 go teach all nations
His apostles are to this till the end
Same doctrine regardless of time and place, the whole world and all ages
Jn 15:5
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13
1 Tim 3:15

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Does not refute my post

they are still men, god does not overrule the will of man

Eternally Grateful said:

Does not refute my post

they are still men, god does not overrule the will of man

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Christ and the HS are directing the church they the apostles see Jn 15:5 acts 8

Phoneman777 said:

You should read why Adam Clarke, Matthew Henry, Spurgeon, and so many others considered Biblical evidence for why Michael is Jesus instead of shooting off your mouth beforehand. Didn't Paul tell you to "despise not prophesying", but "prove all things"

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But you have ZERO Scripture that says Michael is our savior. I have MANY that say God is our Savior and Jesus is our Savior.

How about you stop with the empty outrage and come back with Biblical reasons for why these great men of God were wrong about their conclusions...I warn you, it will require a bit more effort than just standing on the sidelines and shouting maledictions at the players.

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Your "great men of God" do not overrule the Bible. Michael is not God nor my Savior.

Yeah. Read Hebrews 1:5 @Phoneman777

Phoneman777 said:

Hebrews 4:9 Peshitta says it's "the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath" because if we're resting in Jesus, we'll demonstrate that inward rest by outwardly resting on the Lord's day, the Sabbath (Isaiah 58:13 KJV).

That's what the Bible says, no matter if we agree or not, right or wrong?

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No it doesn't. I pulled up the site for different translators of the Peshitta and George Lamas was by far the worst. He even twisted verses to mean the opposite of what it truly meant. And as far as Heb. 4 it is evident that Lamas makes the scriptures say what HE believes, and not what they actually mean. But Romans 8:1 shows he believes in the heresy that as long you believe in Jesus you can walk in the carnal flesh and not be condemned!

As far as Hebrews 4, Lamas is the only one that points to the old Sabbath, instead of another sabbath. He is biased.

I like Murdock the best, because I looked up other scriptures too, like 1 John 5:7.

Romans 8:1
Dr. James Murdock's
There is therefore no condemnation, to them who, in Jesus Messiah, walk not after the flesh.

Hebrews 4:9 - Therefore it is established, that the people of God are to have a sabbath.



Romans 8:1
Dr. John W. Etheridge's
Hence, there is no condemnation to them who do not walk according to the flesh, in Jeshu Meshiha.

Hebrews 4:9 - ---Therefore, yet to enjoy a shabathism [Lemashbothu. Inf. Aphel of shabath, Quievit; celebravit diem sabbathi] is confirmed to the people of Aloha.



Romans 8:1
Dr. George Lamsa's
THERE is therefore no condemnation to them who walk in the flesh after the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:9 - It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

The sabbath rest that is actually for us is called grace which the apostles mean is divine power to partake of the divine nature, and NOT a license to sin as some believe to their shame. Read the conclusion of the chapter.

Hebrews 4:16 - Let us, therefore, approach with assurance to the throne of his grace, that we may obtain mercy, and may find grace for assistance in the time of affliction. Dr. James Murdock's

"Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?"

Yes! If OSAS is true. But it's not!

kcnalp said:

"Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?"
Yes! If OSAS is true. But it's not!

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1 John 1:5-10 to 1 John 2:1-2 [NKJV]

Christians sin, (remain saved), confess and have an Advocate ... TRUE or FALSE?
[That is called Perseverance (or Preservation) of the Saints in the Doctrines of Grace taught in Scripture.]

Some other thoughts from Scripture ... TRUE or FALSE?

• Philippians 1:6 [NKJV] being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;
• Romans 8:30 [NKJV] 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. [all or some]
• Romans 10:8-13 [NKJV] 8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." ["will/shall" or "maybe"]
• Ephesians 1:3-14 [NKJV]
  3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
  7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
  13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

"OSAS" can be crass and misapplied to the "unsaved", but it is not FALSE.

• For whom was God unable to complete the work God had begun?
• For whom did the deposit of the Holy Spirit not guarantee the inheritance?
• Who did God promise to save (justify) and break His promise (fail to glorify)?

... the answer is NOBODY!

GRACE ambassador said:

NO Jesus, NO peace!
KNOW JESUS, KNOW PEACE!!
Open your mind, and humble your heart to: God's Simple Will


NOT likely! Let's check, with honesty, your obedience?:

(1) Do YOU "do THE WORKS {And GREATER works},
that JESUS Did"?:

John_14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth
on ME, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater
works than these shall he do; because I go unto MY Father."

Why not?
a) This BIBLE Verse IS NOT true?
b) This BIBLE Verse IS True, but you don't believe on HIM?
c) This BIBLE Verse IS True, you do believe on HIM, but you're
Confused {like Many!} about WHY it doesn't "work for you"?

(2) Be perfect = SELL EVERYTHING! NO!? What are you WAITING for?:

Mat_19:21 "JESUS Said unto him, If thou wilt be PERFECT, go
and SELL that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt
have treasure in heaven: and come and FOLLOW ME."

Why not?
a) This BIBLE Verse IS NOT true?
b) This BIBLE Verse IS True, but you don't believe/FOLLOW HIM?
c) This BIBLE Verse IS True, you do believe on HIM, but you're
Confused {like Many!} about WHY it "can't Really LITERALLY
Mean What JESUS Said"? False teachers saying IT REALLY MEANS
"you HAVE TO BE WILLING to do What JESUS Said!"

The TWELVE, with POWER, LITERALLY obeyed What JESUS Said,
Correct?:

"And fear came upon every soul: and Many wonders and SIGNS
were done by the apostles. And ALL that believed were together,
and had all things common; And SOLD their possessions and
goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
{Acts_2:43-45 CP Acts_4:32-37 KJB!)

Again, what are you waiting for?

(3) SIGNS following believers? NO!?:
Healing EVERYONE? NO!? Have you "laid hands on the sick" and
cleaned out one hospital yet? Or, do you {SOLD EVERYTHING?}/church
spend YOUR $+ ALL others who SOLD?} million$ "building them"
for THE SICK?:

Mar 16:17 "And these SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW them that believe;
In My Name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing,
it shall not hurt them; they Shall lay hands on the sick, and they
Shall RECOVER."

Why not?
a) These BIBLE Verses are NOT true?
b) These BIBLE Verses are True, but you don't believe on HIM?
c) These BIBLE Verses are True, you do believe on HIM, but you're
Confused {like Many!} about WHY "these SIGNS DON'T follow you"?

IF you "say you BELIEVE," but then don't OBEY Christ, and "DO the
works that Peter, the apostles Did, AND have THE SAME power
THEY ALL Demonstrated," wouldn't that mean?:

James_2:17 "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is DEAD, being

alone."

Precious friend, Eternally Grateful and I both implore and
beseech YOU, please be humble and find out What God
IS DOING Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE!
(Romans-Philemon KJB!) Ok?

God's Simple Will
GRACE Word for infirmities

Be Blessed!

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dare I ask?

how do you know Jesus?

kcnalp said:

But you have ZERO Scripture that says Michael is our savior. I have MANY that say God is our Savior and Jesus is our Savior.

Your "great men of God" do not overrule the Bible. Michael is not God nor my Savior.

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Hebrews 2:16
For verily he took not on him the nature ofangels; but he took on him the seed ofAbraham.

theefaith said:

dare I ask?

how do you know Jesus?

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KJV Ephesians 1:15-23
15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

KJV John 17:1-3
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

KJV John 14:16-17
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

How can we not know Jesus when filled with His Spirit?

Backlit said:

KJV Ephesians 1:15-23
15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

KJV John 17:1-3
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

KJV John 14:16-17
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

How can we not know Jesus when filled with His Spirit?

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In the church!
Received the spirit!

it’s not a bible study it’s a covenant
Baptism is the outward sign of initiation into the new covenant church

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. jn 3:5

kcnalp said:

But you have ZERO Scripture that says Michael is our savior. I have MANY that say God is our Savior and Jesus is our Savior.

Your "great men of God" do not overrule the Bible. Michael is not God nor my Savior.

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So this guy is claiming the archangel Michael is the Christ??

Well, there it is. He's a Sabbath keeping Jehovah guy! Jehovah created the word in the beginning, and the word was the 1st angel of the Lord, and that would be Michael the archangel!

It never fails. There's always a reason for fanatic holding a false teaching. It always leads to the big picture.

Of course they probably say this rubbish from Daniel, where Michael is to stand up for the people in time of trouble, which simply means he will be the one to fight the dragon and cast him out of the air to the earth. The same one who contended with the devil over the body of Moses.

I was wondering why a debate about the archangel was on this thread, and now we see why. The Sabbath-keeping is just a back door to the great created Christ Unitarianism. Incredible.

kcnalp said:

But you have ZERO Scripture that says Michael is our savior. I have MANY that say God is our Savior and Jesus is our Savior.

Your "great men of God" do not overrule the Bible. Michael is not God nor my Savior.

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"Disobedience is not the disease, it's the symptom."

They say disobedience to the Sabbath is not the disease but the symptom of rebellion against God.

But now we find that Sabbath keeping is not the disease but only the symptom of their created Christ mongering.

Phoneman777 said:

"It is a CAPITAL MISTAKE to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes

You obviously don't have clue one about this issue.

If there's no Biblical evidence for this, then why was it a commonly accepted teaching by many sincere Christians and taught in authoritative commentaries which line the bookshelves of pastors and teachers today?

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There are two basic proofs of false doctrine:
1. It is not written plainly in Scripture so that any child could understand it.
2. Traditions of men are turned to for 'evidence'.

Still waiting on 'Sabbath keeping' quoted from Scripture of the New Testament given to us by our Risen Saviour.

Anything like: 'keep the Sabbath' 'The Sabbath is holy' 'Rest on the 7th day' 'Rest from work once a week' 'the 10 commandments will judge you' or even just 'the 10 commandments'

Anything like that will do to show us we are to do so as believers in the our Risen Saviour.

CharismaticLady said:

Sorry, but I don't like your accusations. They are not fair, and it sounds like you are doing what you are accusing him of and it isn't pretty.

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Leaven him alone. He's doing a good work for the faith of Jesus. (John 12:7)

See why you need the church and apostles to settle these controversies

Dogma
De fide
Thee faith
Divine revelation

71. Jesus Christ is the True God and True Son of God.
72. Christ assumed a real body, not an apparent body.
73. Christ assumed not only a body but also a rational soul.
74. Christ was truly generated and born of a daughter of Adam, the Virgin Mary.
75. The Divine and the human natures are united hypostatically in Christ, that is, joined to each other in one Person.
76. Christ Incarnate is a single, that is, a sole Person. He is God and man at the same time.
77. The God-Logos is connected with the flesh by an inner, physical or substantial unification.
Christ is not the bearer of God, but is God really.
78. The human and the divine activities predicated of Christ in Holy Writ and in the Fathers may
not be divided between two persons or hypostases, the Man-Christ and the God-Logos, but must be attributed to the one Christ, the Logos become Flesh. It is the Divine Logos, who suffered in the flesh, was crucified, died, and rose again.
79. The Holy Virgin is the Mother of God since she truly bore the God-Logos become Flesh.
80. In the Hypostatic Union each of the two natures of Christ continues unimpaired, untransformed and unmixed with the other.
81. Each of the two natures in Christ possesses its own natural will and its own natural mode of
operation.
82. The Hypostatic Union of Christ’s human nature with the Divine Logos took place at the moment of conception.
83. The Hypostatic Union will never cease.
84. The Hypostatic Union was effected by the Three Divine Persons acting in common.
85. Only the Second Divine Person became Man.
86. Not only as God but also as man Jesus Christ is the natural Son of God.
87. The God-Man Jesus Christ is to be venerated with one single mode of Worship, the absolute Worship of Latria which is due to God alone.
88. Christ’s Divine and Human characteristics and activities are to be predicated of the one
Word Incarnate.
89. Christ was free from all sin, from original sin as well as from all personal sin.
90. Christ’s human nature was passible (capable of sensation & suffering).
91. The Son of God became man in order to redeem men.
92. Fallen man cannot redeem himself.
93. The God-Man Jesus Christ is a High Priest.
94. Christ offered Himself on the Cross as a true and proper sacrifice.
95. Christ by His Sacrifice on the Cross has ransomed us and reconciled us with God.
96. Christ did not die for the predestined only.
97. Christ’s Atonement does not extend to the fallen angels.
98. Christ, through His Passion and Death, merited reward from God.
99. After His Death, Christ’s soul, which was separated from His Body, descended into the
underworld.
100. On the third day after His Death Christ rose gloriously from the dead.
101. Christ ascended Body and Soul into Heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father.

Phoneman777 said:

The Fourth Commandment as written by the finger of God goes all the way back to Eden, and is SO EASY to keep! You don't have to do an work, just chill, read your Bible, go to church, help spread the love of Jesus, feed those in need, etc....all easy and delightful!

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And if you don't, then you will burn forever in the lake of fire:

"Teaching people we don't have to keep the Sabbath will land such an impenitent one in the Lake of Fire with the rest of "the least", and they will get zero mercy, no matter how much they gnash their rebel teeth."

Just spreadin' the love...

"See why you need the church and apostles to settle these controversies"

That's what the church of Jesus with the doctrine of the apostles are doing.

The 'fathers' of the Catholic religion are a different matter entirely.

There is no greater cult mentality than looking for your pope or your 'pastor' to settle all matters of faith for you...

"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." (Acts 17)

CharismaticLady said:

You said: "he (Jesus) tells us we need to prepare to be judged by the Ten Commandmetns" but you didn't give a scripture reference of where He said that. May I see it please?

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That Scripture reference doesn't exist at all, but if it did, it would be in the same place as the Scripture reference to keeping the Sabbath: The Old Testament.