Eternal punishment is not the case.
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Well, yes, I think the devil. But also, IF any humans, it says it’s the second death, so I take some comfort in the fact that they would have that second death, merciless and quick, rather than as some people say that they are in eternal torture.
I remember seeing those little comic books that shows angels throwing humans into the fire.
… I’m not hoping to see this happen to people, however if they have their ‘part’ in it rather than everlasting that is a different story which is what scripture says in the first place.
For clarification I’m not sure what fire feels like when you are a newly created spiritual body.
I have a book on Hell and it’s views through out the centuries and I’ve seen Dante’s inferno book… A person who claim Muslim believes people will be burned in fire and once the flesh it gone it comes back.
So I’m not sure what if you plan on seeing this or not.
… I’m not hoping to see this happen to people, however if they have their ‘part’ in it rather than everlasting that is a different story which is what scripture says in the first place.
For clarification I’m not sure what fire feels like when you are a newly created spiritual body.
I have a book on Hell and it’s views through out the centuries and I’ve seen Dante’s inferno book… A person who claim Muslim believes people will be burned in fire and once the flesh it gone it comes back.
So I’m not sure what if you plan on seeing this or not.
I also believe that Jesus overcame death, and conquered over even the second death: but like I said it requires study, you seem to already believe what you believe is gonna happen in what you will see at the end of your life, @stunnedbygrace is that true?
I desire what God desires, and for all to come to repentance and that is not forcibly. Either in this life and also after this life. Maybe we can go help them outside the city gates. It’s all conjecture of course but wouldn’t you desire to help people come to repentance?
This question is for anyone.
This question is for anyone.
ummm…when I put all the verses together, all I can say is this is my CURRENT understanding. I don’t discard the verses that don’t seem to fit with my current understanding. When I find them I try to find how they fit in.
How does people being outside the gate of the kingdom fit in to your theology then?
Your understanding seems to be that of none of it has happened yet. So will there ever be a point in time after this life where this will exist?
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.”
Revelation 22:14-15 NASB1995
If this is suggested by John in the vision he is having in verse one in chapter 22 would you say it is truthful and reliable or should we disregard it?
Your understanding seems to be that of none of it has happened yet. So will there ever be a point in time after this life where this will exist?
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.”
Revelation 22:14-15 NASB1995
If this is suggested by John in the vision he is having in verse one in chapter 22 would you say it is truthful and reliable or should we disregard it?
Given what I just wrote about NOT disregarding a scripture just because it doesn’t fit into my current understanding, I’m not certain why you would ask if I think we should disregard the one you’ve brought up…
Are you cranky?
Just wondering. Thank you taking time to discuss, @stunnedbygrace. Thank you for the smile. Lol
It would have been easier if God put it all in order instead of a piece here and a piece there, where future times are concerned, huh??
Maybe He needs a good editor, haha.
It’s like a bunch of puzzle pieces all over the place.
Maybe He needs a good editor, haha.
It’s like a bunch of puzzle pieces all over the place.
Your title contradicts Scripture, which means that you are moving more and more on the path of the cults. Eternal torment in the Lake of Fire is not "destruction" or "annihilation".
It’s like…over 14 years ago when I first began to read, I found verses that seemed to suggest the wicked would be removed first and then other ones that seemed to suggest the righteous would be removed first. I hurt my head trying to figure out which the heck is it?? But He slowly began clicking it all into place. Still some areas I’m confused about but I guess He’ll get to them eventually.
Actually, I kind of agreed with what Mathew said there. Some verses seem to suggest some people will be given a place. For instance, If they received a prophet they get a prophets reward. And the story of…sisera?
I am not sure if perhaps you are mixing up several things. "Given a place" where, in the Lake of Fire? And which unbeliever will receive "a prophet's reward"? And regarding the story of Sisera, he was executed by Jael, and went to Hades, where the enemies of God go. But eventually he will be in Hell.
Ages end from what I’ve been taught, Age-during punishment lasts as long as you choose to let it happen. Ie: unbelief no rest in the soul. Agony.
Not sure what you may have to offer in your understanding or take if you would like to share your point.
Im far removed from most evangelical understanding, at this point.
Sure, agree.
There are differences between...believer and repentant believers.
There is a time line...for individual People, from ancient man to this day.
* according to who, what, when, why, how an individual person, was, is, shall be saved...or not.
The time line....for every individual person, who was, is, shall be saved...
Regardless of the era of a man (ancient, or today)...
IS...expressly determined while that man’s BODILY LIFE IS ALIVE
Meaning:
Salvation (regardless OF WHEN) it is given a man...
IS ONLY given to persons WHO:
* Believed (in their heart) WHILE “their” Bodily LIFE was ALIVE, and that Belief WAS their Belief at the time of their Bodily Life died.
A body’s LIFE, IS it’s BLOOD.
Once the BLOOD LIFE Dies, that Body can no longer decide to believe.
If that Body, Believes, before it dies...it can stop believing, and will not be saved.
If that Body, Believes, at the time...it is dying, (but before it dies) it will be saved.
(Men who may have never considered, or believed, laying on their death bed, whereby bodily death is in process....that man CAN at that moment before death, believe...and shall be saved.)
Men who did not believe and bodily died...
SHALL have their body’s raised...(by the power of LIFE in their living soul, returning to their body’s) /effected by the Power of God, returning their living souls To their body’s/
Their dead body’s, (void of it’s blood life) (with their living soul returned to their body’s)....
Such body’s SHALL stand Before the Lord...SEE HIM...BELIEVE what they SEE, SHALL bow Dow on their knee to Him in Praise and Worship unto Him.....but Shall NOT BE SAVED.
...The LIFE in their soul (Gods Breath, which belongs to God), shall depart their souls, and Return to God.
...Thereafter, their LIFELESS, body and soul...SHALL BE destroyed...burned to ash, in the Fire Pit, in Hell (that was expressly prepared for the Devil and the false prophet).....but which shall also be a place for Mankind’s , lifeless body and souls that heartfully rejected God...while alive in their body’s blood life.
There is ALSO...some other considerations, regarding certain particular Men...
Their final outcome...Life departed from their body, occurs at bodily death...
(Body returns to dust)
Life departed from their soul...expressly foretold in scripture, regarding Some men...
(Souls restored, life of God remains in the soul)
(Life of God departs the soul, returns to God, soul destroyed)
* What about...living souls, Cast into outer darkness forever alive and separated from God? IS THIS a case to be made FOR ETERNAL Punishment for some?
Glory to God,
Taken
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