David in NJ
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Please allow me to ask - What are the 3 Resurrections?
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They are the three group bodily resurrection events which God scheduled to match the three formerly-required harvest feasts of Passover, Pentecost, and the Feast of Tabernacles. Attendance required. Two of these group resurrections have already occurred at Passover in AD 33 and Pentecost day in AD 70. We today are waiting on the third group resurrection event to take place at the time of year the FOT would have ordinarily been celebrated (the reason for the emphasis on the FOT in Zech. 14:16-19, after Christ's return to the Mt. of Olives in AD 70).
? Do you really believe that only males are resurrected? This is making a distinction where none exists. When scripture says something like, "and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned", this is speaking in generalities of humankind - not only males who have sinned. (Unless you want to say that women are sinless and only men are sinners, which would be ridiculous) Scripture is full of references using a masculine gender in the word form that actually applies universally to either gender.Your statement above only applies to RESURRECTED Sons of God.
There is a specific chronological "order" to the resurrection events. 1 Cor. 15:23 describes the first two resurrections (that of Christ the First-fruits - which also included the Matthew 27:52-53 saints - and afterward those that were His at His coming.) These are the two group resurrection events that have already happened, since Christ promised to bodily return before some of those He personally spoke to had died - Matthew 16:27-28). But since "we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ", that necessitates a third group resurrection in our future at the final judgment.There is ONLY one 'Bodily Resurrection' for those in MESSIAH =
There is no such thing as a woman pastor.
Pastor is male gender.
A woman who is called to leadership is known as a 'shepherdess' thus clearly denoting the female gender.
But in the OT, I believe, we do see one definite Shepherdess: |
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Oh I do agree that she was a shepherdess only of groups of wooly critters. I suppose that she had no physical brothers able to do that job. Could that ever happen with groups of people? In my own experience, my pastors, good or not, called by God or not, were always physical men.She was watching over animals... but was not watching over the souls of
people which is something only men are anointed by the Lord to do as per
1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13.
Could that ever happen with groups of people?
Amen Brother
But in the OT, I believe, we do see one definite Shepherdess:
h[r Ra`ah (raw-aw'); Verb, Strong #: 7462
- to pasture, tend, graze, feed
- (Qal)
- to tend, pasture 1a
- to shepherd 1a
- of ruler, teacher (fig) 1a
- of people as flock (fig) 1a
- shepherd, herdsman (subst)
- to feed, graze 1a
- of cows, sheep etc (literal) 1a
- of idolater, Israel as flock (fig)
- (Hiphil) shepherd, shepherdess
Yes, I can see that. Our God is always able to perform that He wants to perform.The Lord always has a man... He has always had someone to step up when needed.
When my wife and I came to the Lord in 1976, there were two women evangelists holding what they called a revival meeting. They were not pastors or shepherdesses. One played the piano and both of them sang. One of them preached. My wife was baptized in the Holy Spirit during that time. Both of us had only Catholic backgrounds and neither of us had ever read the Bible. I was not baptized until 6 weeks after my wife... long after the "revival" was finished... and the two evangelists were gone. The pastor of the assembly, by the way, was a man and according to what I know, he was the worst pastor we ever had.Back in the mid 80s I went to a church started by 2 ladies and that was their primary excuse... "there's no men to step up and be our pastor" which of course was not true.
What they really meant was they didn't agree with the men they had been working with previously that left the group because the ladies demanded to be the pastors over their church.
It took me many years to understand where I was and where I had been. Looking back, I can see many errors on the part of people in charge as well as my own errors... I was always opposed to OSAS even before I realized just what it was that some of them were saying in favor of it.Once the Lord started dealing with me about OSAS being false doctrine which lead to learning a bunch of other stuff taught in churches was also false doctrine... He got me to where He led me to study the women being pastors things and it was thin that I saw in the new testament that God anoints men to be pastors, deacons, church leaders
I understand your dissatisfaction with that situation. I never had it like that with women in the pulpit [never having had a woman pastor[, but certainly with men.What brought a lot of this one was the church I attended with the 2 lady pastors had turned in to free gracers and became deeply involved in the extremes of the charismatic movement where foundational bible doctrine was no longer being taught and it was all about felling good bout yo self and becoming rich and of course they pressured people frequently to give extra money over and above their regular giving.
We must each go where God leads us.As all this was going on I knew that....
You asked me = "Do you really believe that only males are resurrected?"? Do you really believe that only males are resurrected? This is making a distinction where none exists. When scripture says something like, "and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned", this is speaking in generalities of humankind - not only males who have sinned. (Unless you want to say that women are sinless and only men are sinners, which would be ridiculous) Scripture is full of references using a masculine gender in the word form that actually applies universally to either gender.
There is a specific chronological "order" to the resurrection events. 1 Cor. 15:23 describes the first two resurrections (that of Christ the First-fruits - which also included the Matthew 27:52-53 saints - and afterward those that were His at His coming.) These are the two group resurrection events that have already happened, since Christ promised to bodily return before some of those He personally spoke to had died - Matthew 16:27-28). But since "we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ", that necessitates a third group resurrection in our future at the final judgment.
No, I had not, but I just now went back to read it. Seems like I repeated some of what you already covered. Unfortunately, I seldom read all of a thread especially when it is very long. May God richly bless you my friend.Amen Brother
Did you see Post #192
The pastor of the assembly, by the way, was a man and according to what I know, he was the worst pastor we ever had.
I understand your dissatisfaction with that situation. I never had it like that with women in the pulpit [never having had a woman pastor[, but certainly with men.
You, my Brother Amadeus, is God's rich blessing to myself and many others.No, I had not, but I just now went back to read it. Seems like I repeated some of what you already covered. Unfortunately, I seldom read all of a thread especially when it is very long. May God richly bless you my friend.
Our pastor was neither a good teacher or was he good at getting folks fired up. He pressed at one time to divorce my wife because she was too outspoken... though when she did so she was usually speaking the negative truth about him. The Lord has softened my wife, but not while we were sitting under that pastor. We needed to leave... and we finally did.Yeah, I had one of those guys... the Assembly of God church I got saved in had a pastor that was really more of an evangelist than a pastor as he could folks fired up to get saved... but he wasn't much on teaching how to live the Christian life after getting saved.
Aye, that would be a problem. It was not for me as by the time I was sitting under a pastor [Catholic Church excluded] I was already married with two small children.And as a young man having issues with being tempted to chase the pretty young women... you can't just go to a woman "pastor" to talk about that sort of thing.
Our pastor was neither a good teacher or was he good at getting folks fired up. He pressed at one time to divorce my wife because she was too outspoken... though when she did so she was usually speaking the negative truth about him. The Lord has softened my wife, but not while we were sitting under that pastor. We needed to leave... and we finally did.
Yes, it was better for us to leave. The church had originally been located in Downey, CA, in the Los Angeles area. Some years before our time, the pastor decided to move the whole assembly to a small town across the Bay from San Francisco. That was a move of about 400 miles. A large part of the congregation under his strong influence and direction chose to move with him. When we were leaving the church, more than one of the members told us that we would be back... that it was God's will for us to be part of that assembly. Of course, we never returned.I've heard some preachers say that if someone is really that un-happy about the pastor of a church they belong to... it would be better to leave then to speak out about him in front of other members which could cause some of them to stumble.
Yes, when they pushed my old pastor out of his church in 2018 my wife and I left as well. He was 93 years old at the time, and two people in the church wanted his title and authority. He was a widower with no offspring and needed help. Instead of helping him they regularly publicly insulted him and forced him to leave. He continued visiting other churches all over the United States until his death in 2022. He had faults, but he was the best pastor we ever had.I've had to leave churches too similar to this. I've visited numerous churches in my area and have found them all to be teaching reformed theology and basically being nothing more than a social club.
From the time we left that church in 2018 I began visiting the various churches located in our community hoping to find a new home church. I did that until 2020 when most of the assemblies stopped having physical meetings because of Covid 19. By the time churches were reopening, my fight against cancer began. Now for the moment the cancer is behind me, but we are living with my daughter, and I am unable to drive. This may change soon, but while I will be visiting churches again it is very unlikely that I'll find a home church again.I can have a good time socially joking around with the rednecks down at walmarts! View attachment 41249
Church should be much more than a social club where they talk about everything under the sun except for the deeper things of God's Word so people can be challenged in the Lord to grow spiritually.
EXACTLY. You are so right on this. But did you ever consider that women also have the same reluctance to go to a male pastor to talk about things of this nature? This is not appropriate or seemly to do either. I have been in a cult-like church in the past for many years where this situation led to the minister sinning grievously with women and girls of the assembly. A total blight on the name of Christ.And as a young man having issues with being tempted to chase the pretty young women... you can't just go to a woman "pastor" to talk about that sort of thing.
But did you ever consider that women also have the same reluctance to go to a male pastor to talk about things of this nature?
That's why the Bible teaches that the older women should teach the younger women.
The women just cannot be teaching the entire congregation where there are men present as this is outside of God's will... and when God's will is being ignored, it's an open door to 'ol slewfoot to come in with some deception